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What is it that you really want? (immigration)

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posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 02:21 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: network dude

It's simple. Do what is necessary to stop people from crossing the border illegally. It's not fair to those who wait in line. And it leads to increase drug trafficking and death of Americans.


But......isn't that exactly what Trump is doing right now? Damn, now I'm more confused than before.




posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 02:21 PM
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a reply to: network dude



No worries, Trump can sign Executive orders and just legislate that way. It's what Chuck Shumer wants.


True. Why doesn't he just do it and stick to his guns?



I'm sure that will upset the apple cart yet again, but if I was Trump, I sure wouldn't give a rats ass about what the detractors think. They are a little bit nuts. Vote Maxine Waters in 2018!


Yet he caved already, didn't he?

So I think the most important question to ask is what you guys want. You're in power. You are at the helm. What do you want to do with that power?

Ask others what they think?



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 02:22 PM
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originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: network dude

It's simple. Do what is necessary to stop people from crossing the border illegally. It's not fair to those who wait in line. And it leads to increase drug trafficking and death of Americans.


no it does not add to the amount of drugs inany meaningful way nor to deaths of americans

all them angel families are victims of failed federal policies that allow violent criminals to roam free

ice and dhs are to blame because immigration is a state function

remove federal protections for immigrants



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 02:24 PM
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a reply to: sdcigarpig

Do you truly believe they would hesitate for one second to use the nuclear option? The "Democrats"? Sure, they would avoid using it to avoid setting a dangerous precedent. But this new breed of socialist/marxist subversives? Not only would they use it, but there mere presence in government is offensive to Article 4 Section 4 of the US Constitution.

So while I agree that Democrats (who are typically liberal, love America and are also patriots) would discharge their office responsibly, this new far-left faction that has usurped the party would not nor would I trust them to under any circumstance.

The far-left socialists aren't something you negotiate with. They are an abomination of liberty and must be marginalized/minimized.



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 02:25 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns

The far-left socialists aren't something you negotiate with. They are an abomination of liberty and must be marginalized/minimized.


Extremists are Extremists.

No matter which way they swing.



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 02:26 PM
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a reply to: introvert


Ask others what they think?


Despite many of our better judgement... or the demonstrably false, vindictive and malicious lies hurled at us by sour grapes, this isn't a dictatorship so this only makes sense

To be clear, mainstream Democrats are not the subject of my ire. But where the hell are they? They're allowing far-left subversives to hang the party. And responsible adults (like Chuck, Nancy, etc) apparently don't have the "intestinal fortitude" to stand up to them.



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 02:27 PM
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a reply to: introvert

I want stronger borders, more jobs and manufacturing in the US, and a stronger economy.

From my perspective, I'm getting what I want. So that may be part of the reason I'm a happy guy. Plus, when you folks do so well at proving how irrational you truly are, it makes for some funny reading, like in this thread. It's one I can look back on in years to come and laugh. Like you claiming you answered the question, rather than just complained as usual.



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 02:30 PM
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a reply to: Annee

Regardless, that doesn't reduce the implications of my statement.

Our Constitution charges the Federal government with ensuring each state enjoys a Republican form of government. This doesn't mean the GOP political party, of course, but instead refers to our nation's true political ideology: a Constitutionally constrained Republic

Our views (RE: illegal aliens and merit-only based legal immigration) are fully compatible with the Constitution. Failing to enforce the laws (violates the 14th amendment) does nothing but legitimize our government and legal system.
edit on 6/25/2018 by JBurns because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 02:35 PM
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a reply to: introvert

I read all of your posts in this thread. You offered no solutions asked for in the OP.



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 02:36 PM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Alien Abduct
why do we have any Democrats in office, what is their purpose?


to resist silly.


That's about the only power they have.

Remember, DC is republican ran now. They call the shots and don't need the democrats.

But, they don't seem to get much of anything accomplished.

So I'm not sure why you are concerned about what Democrats want or what their purpose is. The Right can do practically anything they want.

Yet here we are.



Can they get funding for the wall? Why not?


Because the republicans have not done what they need to do to get the funding.


What do they need to do exactly?



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 02:36 PM
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originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Annee

Regardless, that doesn't reduce the implications of my statement.

Our Constitution charges the Federal government with ensuring each state enjoys a Republican form of government. This doesn't mean the GOP political party, of course, but instead refers to our nation's true political ideology: a Constitutionally constrained Republic

Our views (RE: illegal aliens and merit-only based legal immigration) are fully compatible with the Constitution. Failing to enforce the laws (violates the 14th amendment) does nothing but legitimize our government and legal system.


Seeking asylum is legal per the constitution.

The Right Extremists - - - are out in vocal force promoting lies about the current situation.

Again - - Extremism is Extremism.



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 02:37 PM
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originally posted by: howtonhawky
a reply to: Alien Abduct

foolish feelings you post

too much bs to even bother with at this point



It’s not feelings, it’s called good logic. Have a good day!



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 02:40 PM
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a reply to: Annee

Seeking asylum is legal however crossing our border illegally is illegal.

Do I need to explain to you again the difference between seeking asylum and crossing the border illegally?



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 02:41 PM
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a reply to: Alien Abduct

But he isn't the one whining and marching around with goofy signs chanting goofy tripe.

The left is the group with a problem with our current iteration of immigration law enforcement. Apparently enforcing the law 100% is a problem?

I don't know. What I do know is that we need a system of total merit-based immigration. So many people want to come here, and we certainly don't need the population increase (it has already sky-rocketed since the turn of the 20th century). Therefore, we have plenty of room to be very picky about who we choose to allow in and those we turn away.

Further, fraudulent asylum requests are a form of fraud against the United States.



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 02:42 PM
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originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Annee

Regardless, that doesn't reduce the implications of my statement.

Our Constitution charges the Federal government with ensuring each state enjoys a Republican form of government. This doesn't mean the GOP political party, of course, but instead refers to our nation's true political ideology: a Constitutionally constrained Republic

Our views (RE: illegal aliens and merit-only based legal immigration) are fully compatible with the Constitution. Failing to enforce the laws (violates the 14th amendment) does nothing but legitimize our government and legal system.


Seeking asylum is legal per the constitution.




you are absolutely correct. However, asylum seekers aren't the one's crossing the border at places that don't have checkpoints. Those are what we call "criminals".



The Right Extremists - - - are out in vocal force promoting lies about the current situation.

Again - - Extremism is Extremism.


ETA: on that you are wrong. The right isn't the one's shouting about this or harassing Trump's cabinet. You may want to look into this a bit before you post again.
edit on 25-6-2018 by network dude because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 02:43 PM
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a reply to: JBurns



Despite many of our better judgement... or the demonstrably false, vindictive and malicious lies hurled at us by sour grapes, this isn't a dictatorship so this only makes sense


Fine. But people do not get to blame the Left for what they see as problems.

They have the power and do not need permission to get to work.

But they're not doing much.



To be clear, mainstream Democrats are not the subject of my ire. But where the hell are they? They're allowing far-left subversives to hang the party. And responsible adults (like Chuck, Nancy, etc) apparently don't have the "intestinal fortitude" to stand up to them.


Far Left? Where? There is no far Left in this country. The Democrats are just light-Republicans.

Anyway, the Democrats are irrelevant. The part is failing, etc...

Republicans are in a position to move forward. But they aren't.

This is all part of a pattern that we have seen for decades and that goes back to my original point on the issue. The Left does not want solutions. The Right does not want solutions. They want to use the issue as a tool to keep fools lined up against each other.



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 02:43 PM
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a reply to: Alien Abduct

How about you explain why our asylum system is so backlogged? Something about fraudulent claims? Yes, that's right. The vast majority do not qualify for asylum and are attempting to perpetrate a fraud against the United States of America.

You are only permitted to request asylum when you're feeling from government/religious persecution. Personal problems/living in a high crime area are not valid reasons to claim asylum. People doing so should be charged with Fraud against the US.

Besides, depending on where they re-locate within CONUS, there is no way to assure they won't be victimized by the millions of criminals we have slithering around this country.

Asylum is a serious matter. And the fraudsters harm legitimate and genuine asylum seekers by filing false and fraudulent claims in an attempt to defraud us into granting them admittance.



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 02:45 PM
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originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: Annee

Regardless, that doesn't reduce the implications of my statement.

Our Constitution charges the Federal government with ensuring each state enjoys a Republican form of government. This doesn't mean the GOP political party, of course, but instead refers to our nation's true political ideology: a Constitutionally constrained Republic

Our views (RE: illegal aliens and merit-only based legal immigration) are fully compatible with the Constitution. Failing to enforce the laws (violates the 14th amendment) does nothing but legitimize our government and legal system.


Seeking asylum is legal per the constitution.

The Right Extremists - - - are out in vocal force promoting lies about the current situation.

Again - - Extremism is Extremism.


you are absolutely correct. However, asylum seekers aren't the one's crossing the border at places that don't have checkpoints. Those are what we call "criminals".


But, that IS what the current headlines are all about.

I could walk to Mexico from where I am. Have been here for 30 years.

I am very familiar with what goes on on the border.




edit on 25-6-2018 by Annee because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 02:46 PM
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a reply to: network dude



From my perspective, I'm getting what I want. So that may be part of the reason I'm a happy guy.


How did you get what you want?



Plus, when you folks do so well at proving how irrational you truly are, it makes for some funny reading, like in this thread. It's one I can look back on in years to come and laugh. Like you claiming you answered the question, rather than just complained as usual.


Funny, as it looks as though my point came back around full circle.

Anyway, you see my point as being irrational. That's fine. Luckily enough, while you are wallowing in your own arrogance, you are blind to what is happening, yet have the gumption to claim you are getting what you want.



posted on Jun, 25 2018 @ 02:47 PM
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a reply to: introvert


This is all part of a pattern that we have seen for decades and that goes back to my original point on the issue. The Left does not want solutions. The Right does not want solutions. They want to use the issue as a tool to keep fools lined up against each other.


OK, and on that much I agree with you introvert.


Far Left? Where? There is no far Left in this country. The Democrats are just light-Republicans.


Democrats, right. But I'm not talking about Democrats. I'm talking about the far-left socialists/communists/antifa fools




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