What is it that you really want? (immigration)

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Alien Abduct
why do we have any Democrats in office, what is their purpose?

to resist silly.

That's about the only power they have.

Remember, DC is republican ran now. They call the shots and don't need the democrats.

But, they don't seem to get much of anything accomplished.

So I'm not sure why you are concerned about what Democrats want or what their purpose is. The Right can do practically anything they want.

Yet here we are.

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: angeldoll
Jeez Louise, I put up a quote from Ronald Reagan, and I'm already "you people", and it comes with a personal insult to boot. Way to go.

Do they not let you folks think on your own?

I expected some "yeah, but's," but a "you people"? Already?

cya

Like I said, this is a bait thread for partisan bickering. There is no interest in solutions.

Such is the dishonest nature of political debate these days.

Then why are you even making comments in this thread? If you can’t directly address the OP at least once then your being in this thread is utterly pointless and off topic.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Martin75
Trump is working on America and the democrats are fighting and screaming to tear it apart.

Trump working on America?

Trump doesn't have a clue what he is doing.

He has no thought out plan.

can you share how you have this inside information? Perhaps you learned his strategy by reading his book?

Trump is a reactionary and an insecure, narcissist bully. Trump is a Carnival Barker conman, who zeroes in on a "mark" and exploits it.

I've actually followed Trump personally for over 30 years. I research things. I can't watch a documentary, without my laptop in my lap glued to Wikipedia (and other sources), to make sure of accuracy.

My office manager was a huge Howard Stern fan back when Trump was a frequent guest. The show was blasted over the office speakers. So, I heard every interview during that period.

He's completely flip-flopped on all sides of his political views over the years.

I've also read his books (which we now know he did not write). I lived near Palos Verdes when he built (reconstructed) the golf course there. I know the underhanded crap he pulled on the tiny city.

I've followed reports/articles on his charity, school, airline, casinos, and other . . .

The foreclosure banks got together and came up with a plan to market the name Trump as a brand. Trump does not necessarily own something just because it has his name on it. Although, he probably gets a percentage.

You want more?

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Alien Abduct
why do we have any Democrats in office, what is their purpose?

to resist silly.

That's about the only power they have.

Remember, DC is republican ran now. They call the shots and don't need the democrats.

But, they don't seem to get much of anything accomplished.

So I'm not sure why you are concerned about what Democrats want or what their purpose is. The Right can do practically anything they want.

Yet here we are.

Can they get funding for the wall? Why not?

a reply to: Annee

I thought maybe you knew some factual information to back up what you stated, it seems it's all emotional opinions. That's cool, it's just nice to know.

a reply to: network dude

Most people here on ATS who participate in political mud threads are blindly for Trump. So if criticisms are made it will probably fall on deaf ears. There are two parts of the problem. I'm not sure immigration policy as it currently exists prevents all cases where children might be separated from their parents. I think Trump could sign some executive orders and cut back on the zero-tolerance policies. And the second part of the problem is the existing thousands of children currently separated from their parents. It's not clear the way the government agencies, the Department of Justice, and Health and Human Services, are coordinated in any way where the children will ever be reunited with their parents. So even though Trump has back pedal on the issue there's still lots of damage that needs to be repaired.

I'm not the best expert on the issue. But this article seems to have better insight into the issue why people are so upset at Trump's policies:

truthout.org...

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: angeldoll
Jeez Louise, I put up a quote from Ronald Reagan, and I'm already "you people", and it comes with a personal insult to boot. Way to go.

Do they not let you folks think on your own?

I expected some "yeah, but's," but a "you people"? Already?

cya

Like I said, this is a bait thread for partisan bickering. There is no interest in solutions.

Such is the dishonest nature of political debate these days.

Then why are you even making comments in this thread? If you can’t directly address the OP at least once then your being in this thread is utterly pointless and off topic.

I did directly address the OP.

Not my problem is you cannot read properly.

a reply to: network dude

Personally?

1) Total elimination of illegal alien entry (squatting in our country) along with reduction in fraudulent asylum claims (by prosecuting those perpetrating fraud against the United States)

2) Merit-only legal immigration

3) Leftists to show concern for the millions of American children separated from parents who are in jail (US citizens in jail for breaking the law) vs. non-Americans. Would be nice for them to actually put America and Americans first (instead of last) for a change.

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: Alien Abduct
why do we have any Democrats in office, what is their purpose?

to resist silly.

That's about the only power they have.

Remember, DC is republican ran now. They call the shots and don't need the democrats.

But, they don't seem to get much of anything accomplished.

So I'm not sure why you are concerned about what Democrats want or what their purpose is. The Right can do practically anything they want.

Yet here we are.

Can they get funding for the wall? Why not?

Because the republicans have not done what they need to do to get the funding.

a reply to: dfnj2015

Why are you only concerned with alien children and alien parents, though?

Plenty of US citizen children are separated from their US citizen parents by virtue of said parents being incarcerated for breaking our laws (either pre-trial detention or post-conviction incarceration)

Why do leftists care more about criminal illegal aliens than Americans?

a reply to: introvert

I agree. We should immediately invoke the nuclear option and pass our agenda through congress without input from Dems.

That is the only option for handling those petulant obstructionists (who obstruct for the sake of obstructing)

They have no legitimate argument against the President. Every single doomsday conspiracy theory they've penned (and their follower mouthpieces have spewed) turned out to be wrong/a lie/spin.

Where is the "collusion" and "collusion indictments" that were supposedly "just around the corner" ? Why is Mueller ramping down (by all appearances) without a word cross-ways to Trump? Why did Mueller's team specifically accost liberal MSM for perpetuating false information?

And most of all, why hasn't the petulant and bigoted left admitted their lie by twisting a standard counter-intelligence investigation into a personal attack on POTUS based off nothing more than wishful thinking and leftist lies?

I read to the executive order, and what all the President is trying to do, and the best thing I can come up with is this: Bait and Switch.

The problem here is that congress and the White House is playing a game, though it affects peoples lives, using them for their own political game. And both the Republicans and the Democrats are just as guilty of this.

The new order, is not going to change this policy, only to justify the removal of the children, using other means, more for their safety.


The immigration policy is in shambles, the organization is so overwhelmed and underfunded, it is not even funny. Personally here is what I would do if I was in a position:

1) Put a freeze on all visa's and processing, in short the word would be no more immigrants of any kind for a year.

2) Get a bipartisan group, not the big names, but the lesser known people to work under the pain of jail and prison, on a new set of laws and solutions. I would also get judges and a few activist from both those who want and those against in the panel. The first being that there needs to be more judges, it should not take years and years for a person to become a citizen. There also has to be an expanded budget for such.

3) I would set a policy any and all people wanting to be appointed judges needs to serve as both defense, prosecutor and judge in the new immigration courts. It would be a good vetting process and allow them to get real hands on experience and a chance to become a judge.

4) Review all laws and court cases around immigration. And the histories behind such and then set up a new set of laws to be passed, with the understanding that the old ones would be repealed, including looking at the failures and problems of the past to not happen in the futures. And they would need to work on how such will be an impact in say 10 to 50 years.

5) Thank the migrant workers, and then state that we no longer will need their services and send them home.

6) Get it approved from congress and then put them out.

a reply to: introvert

No worries, Trump can sign Executive orders and just legislate that way. It's what Chuck Shumer wants.

I'm sure that will upset the apple cart yet again, but if I was Trump, I sure wouldn't give a rats ass about what the detractors think. They are a little bit nuts. Vote Maxine Waters in 2018!

a reply to: JBurns

As appealing as that may seem, careful the door one opens, for it will be used against them. Invoking that option will guarantee that if the Democrats get the majority again, they will use it and you may not like the stuff that they pass.

a reply to: JBurns

I never said I was not concerned about non-alien children. Stop putting words into my mouth.

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: introvert

I agree. We should immediately invoke the nuclear option and pass our agenda through congress without input from Dems.

I also agree.

It's time for the Right to stand up for they claim to believe and start doing some work.

We should not leave any room for them to continue to push blame on to others.

That is why I said the OP was just political bait for partisan bickering.

What we, the Left think, is irrelevant. What we want is irrelevant. You guys have the power and you elected them to do a specific job.

Why can't you get it done? Why are you placating to the feelings of others and asking others you completely know you disagree with how they feel on the issue?

Sounds to me like we are getting setup for excuses on why the Republicans do nothing of substance on the issue.

a reply to: dfnj2015

so the answer is to stop enforcing the law? Rather than that, what about changing the laws to fit better with todays societal changes? I was always under the impression that following the laws what the right way to do things.

a reply to: network dude

It's simple. Do what is necessary to stop people from crossing the border illegally. It's not fair to those who wait in line. And it leads to increase drug trafficking and death of Americans.

a reply to: Alien Abduct

foolish feelings you post

too much bs to even bother with at this point

a reply to: sdcigarpig

There are 15 million illegal immigrants in this country. What are you going to do gather them up in concentration camps and gas them to death?

I think we should be kicking the butt of the Mexican government so people don't ever want to leave in the first place. And the ones that are here decide there's more opportunity to move back to Mexico. I think that's the only moral solution if you don't want too just make them citizens.

The real issue here is business leaders do not want to make illegals legal because they make more money with illegal workers.