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originally posted by: Lagomorphe
originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: network dude
I'd say the majority of people on both sides of the debate want the same thing: A political issue to bash the other side with over the head.
The Left doesn't care about immigration. The Right doesn't care about immigration.
The leadership wants a divisive political issue they can use as leverage in the media and in debate, but very little gets done and it doesn't seem people really care much about the issue outside of that partisan debate. Yet the masses follow right along and play in to the entire mess.
Like exactly what you are doing with this thread. You don't want solutions either. You want something to bash Leftists and anti-Trump people with.
Good sheep doing as they have been taught to do.
Jesus Christ, is there some memo your all got that says you need to be decisive and arrogant, but under no circumstances, are you to engage in dialog? Pull you head out of your ass for a second and read the post from the left here. NOT ONE post even hints at an answer to this seemingly easy question.
And you #heads have the arrogance to claim to know what I want or think? Damn, that's even stupider than I thought.
For clarification, I asked the question, because I don't know the answer. If you are on the left, and you are angry, what is it that makes you angry about this? What should be done differently?
I gave a suggestion and a reply...!
Does that take me out of the Poo head category?
Kindest respects
Lags
Our nation is a nation of immigrants. More than any other country, our strength comes from our own immigrant heritage and our capacity to welcome those from other lands. No free and prosperous nation can by itself accommodate all those who seek a better life or flee persecution. We must share this responsibility with other countries.
The Attorney General is undertaking administrative actions and submitting to Congress, on behalf of the administration, a legislative package, based on eight principles. These principles are designed to preserve our tradition of accepting foreigners to our shores, but to accept them in a controlled and orderly fashion:
• We shall continue America's tradition as a land that welcomes peoples from other countries. We shall also, with other countries, continue to share in the responsibility of welcoming and resettling those who flee oppression.
• At the same time, we must ensure adequate legal authority to establish control over immigration: to enable us, when sudden influxes of foreigners occur, to decide to whom we grant the status of refugee or asylee; to improve our border control; to expedite (consistent with fair procedures and our Constitution) return of those coming here illegally; to strengthen enforcement of our fair labor standards and laws; and to penalize those who would knowingly encourage violation of our laws. The steps we take to further these objectives, however, must also be consistent with our values of individual privacy and freedom.
have a special relationship with our closest neighbors, Canada and Mexico. Our immigration policy should reflect this relationship.
• We must also recognize that both the United States and Mexico have historically benefited from Mexicans obtaining employment in the United States. A number of our States have special labor needs, and we should take these into account.
• Illegal immigrants in considerable numbers have become productive members of our society and are a basic part of our work force. Those who have established equities in the United States should be recognized and accorded legal status. At the same time, in so doing, we must not encourage illegal immigration.
• We shall strive to distribute fairly, among the various localities of this country, the impacts of our national immigration and refugee policy, and we shall improve the capability of those agencies of the Federal Government which deal with these matters.
• We shall seek new ways to integrate refugees into our society without nurturing their dependence on welfare.
• Finally, we recognize that immigration and refugee problems require international solutions. We will seek greater international cooperation in the resettlement of refugees and, in the Caribbean Basin, international cooperation to assist accelerated economic development to reduce motivations for illegal immigration.
Immigration and refugee policy is an important part of our past and fundamental to our national interest. With the help of the Congress and the American people, we will work towards a new and realistic immigration policy, a policy that will be fair to our own citizens while it opens the door of opportunity for those who seek a new life in America.
originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: Lagomorphe
originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: network dude
I'd say the majority of people on both sides of the debate want the same thing: A political issue to bash the other side with over the head.
The Left doesn't care about immigration. The Right doesn't care about immigration.
The leadership wants a divisive political issue they can use as leverage in the media and in debate, but very little gets done and it doesn't seem people really care much about the issue outside of that partisan debate. Yet the masses follow right along and play in to the entire mess.
Like exactly what you are doing with this thread. You don't want solutions either. You want something to bash Leftists and anti-Trump people with.
Good sheep doing as they have been taught to do.
Jesus Christ, is there some memo your all got that says you need to be decisive and arrogant, but under no circumstances, are you to engage in dialog? Pull you head out of your ass for a second and read the post from the left here. NOT ONE post even hints at an answer to this seemingly easy question.
And you #heads have the arrogance to claim to know what I want or think? Damn, that's even stupider than I thought.
For clarification, I asked the question, because I don't know the answer. If you are on the left, and you are angry, what is it that makes you angry about this? What should be done differently?
I gave a suggestion and a reply...!
Does that take me out of the Poo head category?
Kindest respects
Lags
I am sorry, could you point out your answer to the question.
originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Chadwickus
We can't build a wall, they have ladders now.
I'm trying to understand what Trump can do differently with this situation.
There is still a lot of anger flowing about immigration.
originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: network dude
What's he going to do about reuniting the fami!yes already separated by his actions. ?and now
Now he says throw the court out of the picture. Just round them up and send them back over the border.
Excuse me while I try to figure out how this is different from catch and release he was so loud about criticizing.
originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: SocratesJohnson
The right wing MSM may have told him that all the left are angry.
originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: angeldoll
Ronald Reagan passed away a while ago.
I'm glad that you like his thinking I thought he was a pretty good guy as well.
But I asked what YOU wanted? Do they not let you folks think on your own?
originally posted by: Chadwickus
originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Chadwickus
We can't build a wall, they have ladders now.
I'm trying to understand what Trump can do differently with this situation.
There is still a lot of anger flowing about immigration.
You need to get Mexico onside number 1.
Work together to shut down the smugglers would be a good start.
Hmm maybe I care a little bit...not enough to get angry over though.
Do they not let you folks think on your own?
originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Chadwickus
Do you hate the all equally, or is there a scale you use?
Again, my question is, what about the current immigration situation should be changed? What is it that the populace wants?
Here, I'll go first,
I want secure borders and an easier path to citizenship. See, I was able to compile a thought, and type it out. And I am not even a highly educated democrat.
originally posted by: angeldoll
originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: angeldoll
Ronald Reagan passed away a while ago.
I'm glad that you like his thinking I thought he was a pretty good guy as well.
But I asked what YOU wanted? Do they not let you folks think on your own?
You have too many rules in your thread.
I agree with Mr. Reagan, or I wouldn't have posted it.
Is that alright with you, threadking?
originally posted by: Tekaran
Not a democrat but here is mine.
Totally shut down borders for now, butild the wall, and working border security.
Homeless Americans first, a pathway to get off the streets.
Then a merit based immigration, and a path to citizenship.
See how easy that was to answer?