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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: LesMisanthrope
The Red Hen refused service because they disliked Sanders and her beliefs. That is a matter of persecution.
They found her actions, such as justifying breaking families apart and imprisoning innocent children, violated their sense of decency. That is a matter of conscience. By your own standards, that means it is not "persecution."
per·se·cu·tion
ˌpərsəˈkyo͞oSH(ə)n/Submit
noun
hostility and ill-treatment, especially because of race or political or religious beliefs.
"her family fled religious persecution"
synonyms: oppression, victimization, maltreatment, ill-treatment, mistreatment, abuse, ill-usage, discrimination, tyranny; More
originally posted by: howtonhawky
a reply to: DJW001
Ever heard the saying if you remove GOD from the country then he will turn your country into hell.
Stop look around here it comes...
Likely he would get some orange tinted person to finish off the job.
originally posted by: Greven
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: DJW001
Again, the bakers did not want their wedding cakes in a gay wedding. If the gay couple was buying a cake for a heterosexual wedding, or if they wanted some other product, they would have continued the transaction. That is a matter of conscience. The Red Hen refused service because they disliked Sanders and her beliefs. That is a matter of persecution.
Wrong.
The Red Hen had started serving Sanders. They then asked her to leave. The rest of her party left of their own will, and The Red Hen didn't charge them anything.
The baker never even started serving.
The two situations are distinctly different. The baker refused gays (a category), ergo discrimination. The Red Hen refused Sarah Sanders (a person), ergo they don't like Sarah Sanders.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: LesMisanthrope
The Red Hen refused service because they disliked Sanders and her beliefs. That is a matter of persecution.
They found her actions, such as justifying breaking families apart and imprisoning innocent children, violated their sense of decency. That is a matter of conscience. By your own standards, that means it is not "persecution."
per·se·cu·tion
ˌpərsəˈkyo͞oSH(ə)n/Submit
noun
hostility and ill-treatment, especially because of race or political or religious beliefs.
"her family fled religious persecution"
synonyms: oppression, victimization, maltreatment, ill-treatment, mistreatment, abuse, ill-usage, discrimination, tyranny; More
originally posted by: DJW001
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: LesMisanthrope
The Red Hen refused service because they disliked Sanders and her beliefs. That is a matter of persecution.
They found her actions, such as justifying breaking families apart and imprisoning innocent children, violated their sense of decency. That is a matter of conscience. By your own standards, that means it is not "persecution."
per·se·cu·tion
ˌpərsəˈkyo͞oSH(ə)n/Submit
noun
hostility and ill-treatment, especially because of race or political or religious beliefs.
"her family fled religious persecution"
synonyms: oppression, victimization, maltreatment, ill-treatment, mistreatment, abuse, ill-usage, discrimination, tyranny; More
So then the bakery was persecuting the gay couple?
originally posted by: lakenheath24
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan
Ya know, I have been a member here for a looong time, but I bet 75% of my posts have been within the last 2-3 years. There is something unnatural going on with people and it's not just in the US. Peeps all over seem to be hatin more and I am not sure most even realise it.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
originally posted by: DJW001
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: LesMisanthrope
The Red Hen refused service because they disliked Sanders and her beliefs. That is a matter of persecution.
They found her actions, such as justifying breaking families apart and imprisoning innocent children, violated their sense of decency. That is a matter of conscience. By your own standards, that means it is not "persecution."
per·se·cu·tion
ˌpərsəˈkyo͞oSH(ə)n/Submit
noun
hostility and ill-treatment, especially because of race or political or religious beliefs.
"her family fled religious persecution"
synonyms: oppression, victimization, maltreatment, ill-treatment, mistreatment, abuse, ill-usage, discrimination, tyranny; More
So then the bakery was persecuting the gay couple?
No, you forcing the Christian to violate his religious beliefs is persecution.
My belief is the standard "my rights end where yours begin" would guide the decision.
ETA: or perhaps: "You can refuse service based on your religion, not on theirs" would be more prudent. I'd not find anywhere in any Jewish religious text that they are not to service Muslims, and the claim wouldn't be valid.
Witht he gake...its there is reference against homosexuality.
Business have the right to refuse service for any reason unless its a protected class.
originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: tinner07
So two wrongs is the way it works now, eh?
Way to show your superiority. The Presidents a rude SOB upon occasion, so it's OK for me to be. That's the new rule now?
Tryin' to keep up here. I was always taught that two wrongs never make a right...?
originally posted by: Greven
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
originally posted by: DJW001
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: LesMisanthrope
The Red Hen refused service because they disliked Sanders and her beliefs. That is a matter of persecution.
They found her actions, such as justifying breaking families apart and imprisoning innocent children, violated their sense of decency. That is a matter of conscience. By your own standards, that means it is not "persecution."
per·se·cu·tion
ˌpərsəˈkyo͞oSH(ə)n/Submit
noun
hostility and ill-treatment, especially because of race or political or religious beliefs.
"her family fled religious persecution"
synonyms: oppression, victimization, maltreatment, ill-treatment, mistreatment, abuse, ill-usage, discrimination, tyranny; More
So then the bakery was persecuting the gay couple?
No, you forcing the Christian to violate his religious beliefs is persecution.
Why is baking a cake violating his religious beliefs?