South Africans must surrender their legal guns.

originally posted by: 727Sky

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: 727Sky

What's do you suggest then?

We either live by the rule of law or we don't are you really advocating a lawless society?

IT ALREADY IS A LAWLESS society if you are a white farmer living on the land your family has farmed for over a hundred years.. When the government leaders are leading songs that say "Kill the Whites or Kill the Farmers" does that sound like a law abiding society.. Actually it is a law abiding society as they just change the laws to fit their agenda...so much for laws no ?

Yes ( government representatives ) have already said they will just change the laws to make everything they do legal.... If you do not believe that do some checking..or here youtu.be... go to the 4:20 mark.. The government is now converting to their idea of a socialist utopia which is and has always been a lie.. Socialism is nothing more than dictatorship by and for the very wealthy, pretending to be the servant of the masses. Just like communism. If you are one of the chosen few you are quite well off.....

Is anyone forcing people to stay?

My point is a simple one, follow the law of the land or leave...

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: YouSir

What is unhealthy is the hoops that you and people like you need to jump through to make a point.

Its really simple, either you agree to follow the rule of law or you don't

I hear nth Korea is nice at this time of year, send us a postcard....

Disagree with our given rights being violated, so lawless IS BETTER every time that totalitarians rule, every fricken time!

"GIVE ME LIBERTY or GIVE ME DEATH!" And if it means I have to die to preserve human rights, so be it.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Please summarize the story here so people can decide to lose 41 min of our lives over what might be just spin.

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: YouSir

What is unhealthy is the hoops that you and people like you need to jump through to make a point.

Its really simple, either you agree to follow the rule of law or you don't

I hear nth Korea is nice at this time of year, send us a postcard....

Disagree with our given rights being violated, so lawless IS BETTER every time that totalitarians rule, every fricken time!

"GIVE ME LIBERTY or GIVE ME DEATH!" And if it means I have to die to preserve human rights, so be it.

That's exactly what you're going to get....

originally posted by: Justoneman
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Please summarize the story here so people can decide to lose 41 min of our lives over what might be just spin.

You're being played, the whole Trump thing, fake news, the divide between right and left is being engineered to remove even more rights from us.

What's sad is the amount of people playing into it, screaming in the streets that you want to subvert the law will only result in the screws tightening, is that what you want? You truly want more laws?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: MteWamp

That's irrelevant.

Law is irrelevant.
Ok.

The law or any kind of ethics doesn't seem to exist for the black population of south Africa when it comes to the white population.

Why is any white farmer going to surrender their guns when as soon as they do so a mob of angry falsely entitled black south Africans will barge into their farms and do the standard rape all the women and kill/torture everyone.

South Africa going the way of Zimbabwe and what a glorious utopia that is

It's past the beginning of the end. Things will move fast now and in less than 5 years people will be begging for food. Our company has reduced it's footprint from 20 offices to less than 5 and pulled most foreigners out.

White South African, but not a farmer.
Oh us too, every-time you venture out the door.

How many have died on the train?
Yeah, just push you out.
Or they come in your house and kill you.

And then you got the politicians encouraging it!
But it's just crime.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Just because you are a farmer doesn't mean you are wealthy enough to leave and gain asylum in another country, especially since the Govt has decided they don't have to pay you for the land or any of the equipment on the farm.


What about those that are not farmers, bet money is again an issue for getting out so its not as simple as leave.

I know people like to say Trump and his supporters are literally Nazis, but what we are seeing in south Africa is much more closely aligned to hitlers dogma. Even Jews in WW2 couldn't obey the law once they were guilty of being a jew, that is on the horizon for white people in South Africa.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

I get so cross when people say "who's forcing them to stay"....they have nowhere else to go. No other country wants them. There is only Russia so far that has agreed to take some of the farmers as they need their farming expertise.They can't sell their farms no-one wants them. Those farms that the Government "appropriated" and gave to the blacks, the blacks didn't want and re-sold the land back to the Government at a profit.
Many farmers are now barely making a living and don't have the money to emigrate. Some quite possibly don't have the time to wait on emigration bureaucracy as many are pensioners.

They are being actively hunted and killed by groups such as the BLF (Black Land First) and the police and Government don't care and many in fact welcome this action


In a place where the police are complicit in murder, the only thing the farmers have are guns

The once breadbasket of Africa is at genocide level 6 and Africa is beginning to starve again...but its ok because they can always get International Aid again and help the poor Presidents get more rolls' royces

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: Justoneman

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: YouSir

What is unhealthy is the hoops that you and people like you need to jump through to make a point.

Its really simple, either you agree to follow the rule of law or you don't

I hear nth Korea is nice at this time of year, send us a postcard....

Disagree with our given rights being violated, so lawless IS BETTER every time that totalitarians rule, every fricken time!

"GIVE ME LIBERTY or GIVE ME DEATH!" And if it means I have to die to preserve human rights, so be it.

That's exactly what you're going to get....

Maybe, I am not a bad shot from long range if my days at the firing range with an M16 mean anything to me. I am out of practice, sounds like I need to reconsider if pistols will defend me if the tyranny is coming as you seem to be ready for acquiescence and subjugation.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: Justoneman
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Please summarize the story here so people can decide to lose 41 min of our lives over what might be just spin.

You're being played, the whole Trump thing, fake news, the divide between right and left is being engineered to remove even more rights from us.

What's sad is the amount of people playing into it, screaming in the streets that you want to subvert the law will only result in the screws tightening, is that what you want? You truly want more laws?

Not being played at all.

I am calling balls and strikes. VOTE PAUL, (remember).

Train-hijacking: www.enca.com...

I'm sorry to lose so many good brothers like that.

originally posted by: halfoldman
White South African, but not a farmer.
Oh us too, every-time you venture out the door.

How many have died on the train?
Yeah, just push you out.
Or they come in your house and kill you.

And then you got the politicians encouraging it!
But it's just crime.

That is tyranny when the politicians encourage it. FOUL BALL!

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

I get so cross when people say "who's forcing them to stay"....they have nowhere else to go. No other country wants them. There is only Russia so far that has agreed to take some of the farmers as they need their farming expertise.They can't sell their farms no-one wants them. Those farms that the Government "appropriated" and gave to the blacks, the blacks didn't want and re-sold the land back to the Government at a profit.
Many farmers are now barely making a living and don't have the money to emigrate. Some quite possibly don't have the time to wait on emigration bureaucracy as many are pensioners.

They are being actively hunted and killed by groups such as the BLF (Black Land First) and the police and Government don't care and many in fact welcome this action

In a place where the police are complicit in murder, the only thing the farmers have are guns

The once breadbasket of Africa is at genocide level 6 and Africa is beginning to starve again...but its ok because they can always get International Aid again and help the poor Presidents get more rolls' royces

So blame me then, it's my fault SA is a #hole ?

How about nth Korea should we shed a tear for those poor people too?

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed


**You're being played, the whole Trump thing, fake news, the divide between right and left is being engineered to remove even more rights from us. ***

I agree however:

This thread is about South Africa where the rule of law has failed the white folk there.. It is not about the USA where there is a constitution to protect us from the government..

Try as they may, it is still the law of the land... and yes, in my humble opinion, if the regime of some future president goes against the law of the land (constitution) there will be blood shed.. We dodged a bullet when Clinton lost IMO at least as far as the 2d amendment is concerned and possible blood shed.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: CaptainBeno
Who decides?

The same nice government who has officials coming to confiscate land without compensation. The same nice government who has officials who are openly saying they aren't calling for white genocide ... yet.

Yeah, I'd turn in my means of defense ...

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Yeah, we should, and we should worry whenever we see something designed to make it easier for those people to be killed, raped, pillaged, plundered by their own authorities and less able to stand up for themselves.

People who want ever more government control here really don't get it that tyranny is the default condition and this is an exception.

You should be moving away from government, not toward it.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: YouSir

What is unhealthy is the hoops that you and people like you need to jump through to make a point.

Its really simple, either you agree to follow the rule of law or you don't

I hear nth Korea is nice at this time of year, send us a postcard....

Ummm...oh...did I address my post to you...sorry...

"People like you"...how quaint...

There are one hell of allot of rules of law that I choose not to follow...I don't live my life purely on the dictates of others...

All that aside...I do live my life by certain tenets...say...the dictates of conscience...
If one is of moral character...and not bent to certain depravities...then what harm if they drive over the odd paint on the road or crack open that throttle for the sheer joy of it...

You go right on being the law abiding purist that you so obviously are and keep only to the crosswalk...

Me...well...I'll be down that a way...minding my own business like any good Libertarian should...while your such a busy...busy little bee...minding everyone else's...


Later...





YouSir

a reply to: halfoldman

Assuming your a white South African you know whats coming next! Either get out or become a victim of the next genocide.

They want you gone or dead! Weird to see; same thing happened to the Jews in pre-war Germany. The Nazi party did everything they could to force the jews to leave, but they buried their heads in the sand until they were rounded up and killed.

MOVE!