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originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: Ameilia
How exactly is it you are placing blame on the US for this? These people chose to come here. Do you think they didn't know what might happen to them when they made that decision? They definitely knew what might happen. They might get murdered, kidnapped, trafficked, or die of dehydration. They might get taken into US custody when they reach the border. They knew these things would happen, yet they chose to take that risk, because all those things are the lesser of two evils: where they left, was worse.
This is what I don't understand. You for instance, know exactly why people coming up through the southern border or across the open ocean or smuggled in containers come to this country. Clearly you can sympathize and empathize with these people as human beings.
You should, under normal circumstances, be able to find common ground with the OP but instead you end up falling back into Obama whataboutism and somehow on a side with a person who says this:
If an American showed such disregard for their child's life, CPS would take their child away, put the parents in jail or prison, and put the child somewhere safe.
Somebody who thinks that people fleeing horrible conditions in hopes of a better life for their themselves and their families, a better future (or any future in some cases) for their children, are just bad parents.
We're not to blame for people risking life and limb to get to our shores. We are however responsible for what we do with and to them when they get here. You also seem to acknowledge that when you talk about conditions under Obama.
So why don't you see the malfeasance in the current admin? If conditions were bad under Obama and ignoring them was wrong, then why would you be dismissive of concern when the admin's policy makes the situation even worse? Has Trump done something to improve the treatment and conditions? Did they build out capacity? Institute new oversight?
No? Well then obviously that would mean that a zero tolerance policy that requires charging illegal entry with a goal of detaining as many people as possible, which in turn necessitates a drastic uptick in separations — placing not only more adults but thousands more children into the broken system — is only making the already terrible conditions that much worse.
So how does it follow that it makes sense then to dismiss concern over worsening conditions for even more people by claiming that the previously bad conditions didn't get enough attention?
Why do you think this was never an issue until now? Nobody made an uproar because everyone was happy, until someone had a great idea to make this a big issue to smear Trump.