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'Are you the mother?' A woman's search for baby taken by U.S. immigration

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posted on Jun, 22 2018 @ 02:32 AM
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originally posted by: Kharron
I get it that we're not going to all see eye to eye here. Some of us are going to see more emotion in this and others will try to make it look like it's nothing. Some will be very business like and see children as numbers and other will see these as their own, as a mother or a father. We're all different.

But ask yourselves this... when all is said and done, hopefully resolved peacefully... who do you think will end up looking bad?

Those who were on the side of kids or those who were not?

Looking bad to whom ?
Do you think the US should sacrifice it's sovereignty like the European Liberals ?
Do you think the people of this country should give a rat's rear what anyone else thinks ?
The US has LAWS for legal immigration .
The US has LAWS against illegal immigration.

You have been told this over and over and over again...
Thread should be over and done.

edit on 6/22/18 by Gothmog because: (no reason given)




posted on Jun, 22 2018 @ 02:37 AM
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originally posted by: notsure1


I can't understand what the difference is, except one is an American and the other is not.

People are ready to go to war for the non American, but could care less about the American.

It just goes to show... liberals are Afraid to be "pro America". They think it's like racist or something, I don't know.



posted on Jun, 22 2018 @ 02:42 AM
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a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

Why do we need to make a separation? Why can't we feel bad for all these kids and treat kids as kids, and make sure no child is harmed in any way -- emotionally, nor physically? I'm not saying you ever did this, but why do people in all these conversations have to categorize kids into levels worth caring about and those that are not?

Do we really have to twist our values that much to make our views fit with that of the government? Isn't that a clue things aren't as they seem?

And I'll say it again... we should not presume to know why they make the trip or why they start it or risk their lives. We don't know, but we do know that we should act as humans and treat them with humanity when they do get here. I was a refugee, and I lived in a refugee camp for months and my family and I lived on flatbread and black olives for months, until we got here legally decades ago. And I still do not presume to know what they're going through or what their story is.

That's their story... ours is how we treat them.



posted on Jun, 22 2018 @ 02:43 AM
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originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: Kharron
I get it that we're not going to all see eye to eye here. Some of us are going to see more emotion in this and others will try to make it look like it's nothing. Some will be very business like and see children as numbers and other will see these as their own, as a mother or a father. We're all different.

But ask yourselves this... when all is said and done, hopefully resolved peacefully... who do you think will end up looking bad?

Those who were on the side of kids or those who were not?

Looking bad to whom ?


The world. Outside of this website.



posted on Jun, 22 2018 @ 02:46 AM
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originally posted by: Whoisjohngalt

originally posted by: Kharron
...Does the law even matter any more?...


Let me do a quick google search on 'irony' and get back to you...





posted on Jun, 22 2018 @ 02:49 AM
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originally posted by: 3n19m470

originally posted by: notsure1


I can't understand what the difference is, except one is an American and the other is not.

People are ready to go to war for the non American, but could care less about the American.

It just goes to show... liberals are Afraid to be "pro America". They think it's like racist or something, I don't know.


Another difference is that that picture is probably a porno set. That wall looks fake, and ive never seen a cell look like that. Ive also never seen a floral pattern mattress in a prison.



posted on Jun, 22 2018 @ 02:56 AM
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a reply to: notsure1

MURDER MURDER MURDER RAPE RAPE RAPE MS-13 MS-13 MS-13

Hide your kids! Build the wall! The invading horde wants to kill your children and rape your women!

Meanwhile, over in another thread, "ERMAGHERD, the Left is sooooooo dehumanizing!" *clutch pearls*
edit on 2018-6-22 by theantediluvian because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 22 2018 @ 03:01 AM
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originally posted by: Kharron

originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: Kharron
I get it that we're not going to all see eye to eye here. Some of us are going to see more emotion in this and others will try to make it look like it's nothing. Some will be very business like and see children as numbers and other will see these as their own, as a mother or a father. We're all different.

But ask yourselves this... when all is said and done, hopefully resolved peacefully... who do you think will end up looking bad?

Those who were on the side of kids or those who were not?


I bet you think you are on the side of the kids.

Thats the problem..


Well, I'm definitely not on the side of the government that imprisons them. We should all be proud to say that.




What should the government have done then, leave the baby in the desert?

When parents in the United States go to jail do they take their babies with them?

What exactly did the government do wrong here, SUPPOSEDLY bring back the baby dirty?

The courts on the southern border are heavily burdened with all of the people they have to process and so there is a long line to get processed therefore people have to wait a long time to get processed.

What exactly is the problem you are proposing and what exactly is your your solution to that problem?

I eagerly await your response.



posted on Jun, 22 2018 @ 03:06 AM
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originally posted by: Kharron
a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

Why do we need to make a separation? Why can't we feel bad for all these kids and treat kids as kids, and make sure no child is harmed in any way -- emotionally, nor physically? I'm not saying you ever did this, but why do people in all these conversations have to categorize kids into levels worth caring about and those that are not?

Do we really have to twist our values that much to make our views fit with that of the government? Isn't that a clue things aren't as they seem?

And I'll say it again... we should not presume to know why they make the trip or why they start it or risk their lives. We don't know, but we do know that we should act as humans and treat them with humanity when they do get here. I was a refugee, and I lived in a refugee camp for months and my family and I lived on flatbread and black olives for months, until we got here legally decades ago. And I still do not presume to know what they're going through or what their story is.

That's their story... ours is how we treat them.





There are 8 million+ refugees in the world and something like 20% of all humans dont have enough to eat, where do we draw the line? Do we invite all 8 mill refugees into the west?
What about the ones who dont have the financial means or health required to land on our doorsteps and seek asylum?

If people really cared about the wellbeing of refugees we would be looking at the millions in camps or warzones, if the money thats spent on looking after illegal immigrants was used in camps and villages where these people came from we could help whole communities instead of just those who dont care for our laws



posted on Jun, 22 2018 @ 03:34 AM
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a reply to: Ameilia


How exactly is it you are placing blame on the US for this? These people chose to come here. Do you think they didn't know what might happen to them when they made that decision? They definitely knew what might happen. They might get murdered, kidnapped, trafficked, or die of dehydration. They might get taken into US custody when they reach the border. They knew these things would happen, yet they chose to take that risk, because all those things are the lesser of two evils: where they left, was worse.


This is what I don't understand. You for instance, know exactly why people coming up through the southern border or across the open ocean or smuggled in containers come to this country. Clearly you can sympathize and empathize with these people as human beings.

You should, under normal circumstances, be able to find common ground with the OP but instead you end up falling back into Obama whataboutism and somehow on a side with a person who says this:


If an American showed such disregard for their child's life, CPS would take their child away, put the parents in jail or prison, and put the child somewhere safe.


Somebody who thinks that people fleeing horrible conditions in hopes of a better life for their themselves and their families, a better future (or any future in some cases) for their children, are just bad parents.

We're not to blame for people risking life and limb to get to our shores. We are however responsible for what we do with and to them when they get here. You also seem to acknowledge that when you talk about conditions under Obama.

So why don't you see the malfeasance in the current admin? If conditions were bad under Obama and ignoring them was wrong, then why would you be dismissive of concern when the admin's policy makes the situation even worse? Has Trump done something to improve the treatment and conditions? Did they build out capacity? Institute new oversight?

No? Well then obviously that would mean that a zero tolerance policy that requires charging illegal entry with a goal of detaining as many people as possible, which in turn necessitates a drastic uptick in separations — placing not only more adults but thousands more children into the broken system — is only making the already terrible conditions that much worse.

So how does it follow that it makes sense then to dismiss concern over worsening conditions for even more people by claiming that the previously bad conditions didn't get enough attention?



posted on Jun, 22 2018 @ 03:39 AM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

Congratulations! You've just been elected president of the United States!
What is your border policy?



posted on Jun, 22 2018 @ 03:41 AM
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a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

It's too bad the same people advocating this aren't targeting their home Countries. Shouldn't the rulers of those Countries be held responsible for these people first? The UN is doing a $hitty job, they should be held accountable for letting it continue via these other Countries.



posted on Jun, 22 2018 @ 03:42 AM
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a reply to: Ameilia



These people chose to come here.

That's debatable. Would you choose to risk the children's lives staying where you are in a sh!thole of a country surrounded by drug cartels and gangs who seek to make you and your children mules? And if you are turned away after requesting an asylum, where would you go?



posted on Jun, 22 2018 @ 03:54 AM
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a reply to: RowanBean

If my family was starving, I'd steal a loaf of bread. That doesnt mean that stealing is okay, or that I didnt choose to do it.



posted on Jun, 22 2018 @ 03:55 AM
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originally posted by: Whoisjohngalt
a reply to: RowanBean

If my family was starving, I'd steal a loaf of bread. That doesnt mean that stealing is okay, or that I didnt choose to do it.

Bad argument. A better argument would be like is it ok to chop your hands off for stealing for your starving family?



posted on Jun, 22 2018 @ 04:02 AM
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a reply to: RowanBean

If its the law to chop off hands for other thefts, then yes.



posted on Jun, 22 2018 @ 04:06 AM
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originally posted by: Whoisjohngalt
a reply to: RowanBean

If its the law to chop off hands for other thefts, then yes.

This isn't Brazil.



posted on Jun, 22 2018 @ 04:25 AM
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a reply to: RowanBean

No. Its not.
The original point here is that these people are trying to get into the US illegally. Which hurts the country. There is a reason there is a system set up. Too much of any one thing upsets a balance. Now these people may be fleeing for economic reasons, they may be fleeing because their country is a # hole. Their reason for fleeing doesnt mean that their arrival doesnt upset the balance, which is why the laws are in place. So they gotta go.



posted on Jun, 22 2018 @ 04:36 AM
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originally posted by: Whoisjohngalt
a reply to: RowanBean

No. Its not.
The original point here is that these people are trying to get into the US illegally. Which hurts the country. There is a reason there is a system set up. Too much of any one thing upsets a balance. Now these people may be fleeing for economic reasons, they may be fleeing because their country is a # hole. Their reason for fleeing doesnt mean that their arrival doesnt upset the balance, which is why the laws are in place. So they gotta go.

While I might agree with you, we gotta be compassionate about it. Separating families and children isn't good and that isn't us as Americans.



posted on Jun, 22 2018 @ 04:39 AM
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a reply to: Kharron

Was it the current administartions law ?


Trump is trying to change it for the better.
Housing in the bases I think is great. I don't see why the parents couldn't be in the base with the kids. Would make things easier because the adults could watch after the kids that came alone as well.

Then he added more prosecutors to speed up the vetting. Which is a start, but of course they need more judges and defenders to really get things moving.

The eo didn't do anything . But it looks like the republican congress is holding things up with the law change. Not trump.

We all need to put our party fighting to the side for a min and try whatever we can no mater who supports it to get this taken care of. These are human lives and every sec does mater. We only get one life.



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