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NEWS: Bush due in Brussels to kiss and make up with Europe

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posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 12:00 PM
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I do not believe for a moment that US companies are trying to hide their country of origin. As for euros hating everything American, I doubt that is true. I think that is more of your own hatred of America than anything else. And guess what - we don't care if you hate us, ZMax.



jsobecky,
you have to read my previous postings to make such a conclusion...
I am from Eastern Europe,but I frequently go to Germany,France and Benelux...You have no greater supporter than me and the people of ex-Socialist Block...I will be always thankful for my freadom to the one nation most respinsably for this...




posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 12:03 PM
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The force that Toppled Hitler was Russian, not American.


James the Lesser,
why ?why the russians didn't free you and you parents but mine?why?



posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 12:06 PM
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Originally posted by ZMax



The force that Toppled Hitler was Russian, not American.


James the Lesser,
why ?why the russians didn't free you and you parents but mine?why?


I think what he is refering to is that Russia destroyed two thirds of Hitler's forces, therefore allowing the allies some good breathing space.



posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 12:23 PM
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....just think of the logistic nightmare of preventing all those european muslim immigrants from asking bush his autograph


and BTW, France is no terrorpimp, but rather a corporate-pimp, especially for the Elf oilcompany, America and France have no ideological conflict, but rather an economical conflict over colliding oil resources and such...Let's just say that their motivation/justifications are not much better or worse than put forward by Bush administration.

But don't worry Bush will come over to europe and they will settle out court, deciding about the future of Lebanon and decide how to split up the newly dug African oil resources before the chinese buy them all...


[edit on 20-2-2005 by Countermeasures]



posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 12:24 PM
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Kriz_4,

I think you forget about the bombardment of the Germany's Millitary Industry and the destruction of Luftwafe as a fighting force by the second half of 1942...and more important the US submarine attack on japanese ships in Chinese Sea that lead to defeat of Japan in Manchuria,so the russians can send help back to Moscow...
USA didn't won tha WWII alone,didn't pay the haviest price either,but without USA Eurasia would have fallen in Nazi's hands...



posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 12:31 PM
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Why do you think that West-Germany was able to be rebuilded so fast in the 50-60's, sure the Marshall aid, but also the fact that many industrial infrastruture was still intact, the allies were to busy bombing Dresden and other non industrial targets...


[edit on 20-2-2005 by Countermeasures]



posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 12:38 PM
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Kriz_4:
Though I might have some tendency to agree with you on some points, the "mending of fences" with Europe is cosmetic, at best.
I would encourage the reading of this?


For both men -- a dinner to endure, not enjoy.

DINNER OF JACQUES AND GEORGE: A TRIUMPH OF DIPLOMACY OVER DISDAIN



seekerof



posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 12:43 PM
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For all you revisionist historians out there, yes it was a group effort, but to say that the Russians of all things won the war is a colossal joke.

You seem to forget a little facet of the war called Lend-Lease. Lots of equipment and the like were sent to the Soviets that saved thier bacon.

You also seem to be forgetting that as mentioned above that the British nighttime and the often suicidal U.S. day time bombing wrecked the German infrastructure.

I can go on and on and can if you so desire.

[edit on 2/20/05 by FredT]



posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 12:46 PM
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Why do you think that West-Germany was able to be rebuilded so fast in the 50-60's, sure the Marshall aid, but also the fact that many industrial infrastruture was still intact, the allies were to busy bombing Dresden and other non industrial targets...


Well for Dresden I really have no exponetion,but for the rest of your words you have to seek professional help...I'm from the Czech Republic - the most industrialized nation in the World before the comming of the Russians...Believe me there were bombing raids here...a lot of them



posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 12:50 PM
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The truth is Europe seems to care as much about what the US has to say as the US cares what Europe has to say. About anything.
Perhaps the fact that Europe no longer has a need for the US, as has been said before Countries don't have friends just mutual need, plays a part in that.
The US opinion about Europe and the US's disdain for France mean very little, if anything at all to your average European.
We have good Healthcare, we live comfortably, we have jobs and apart from the UK Europe has managed to keep its head down and get on with the business of making money.
The fact is most Europeans are glad the US took part in the War and will never forget it. But most think its time to cut the cord to the US and go their own way.
Just my opinion.



posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 12:56 PM
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On his visit to Europe this week, US President George W Bush will seek to make friends, but will have trouble influencing people.

Despite his charm offensive, there are too many issues dividing the US from much of Europe to enable peace to be declared on all fronts.

Nevertheless, there will be efforts towards finding a way forward on some of these problems, though some of this is papering over the differences.
Bush to cajole wary Europeans



posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 12:58 PM
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Bush seeks united European stance to isolate Iran, Syria

bush needs more support from the european countries,
more than just english support in "war against terror".
bush seeks more allies that would be ready to send more troops,
to the critical locations, where the u.s. forces are fighting.



US officials hope to persuade European countries to use the threat of economic sanctions and political isolation to pressure Iran and Syria to undertake reforms, and also seek to toughen the European stance against Hezbollah guerrillas in southern Lebanon, an anti-Israeli group that Iran and Syria support.

Developing a shared strategy with Europe for confronting Syria and Iran is a key item on Bush's agenda next week as he meets with the leaders of Germany, France, Britain, and Russia.

source:
boston

[edit on 20-2-2005 by Souljah]



posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 01:01 PM
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This is from a news service for French EXPATS


US President George W. Bush arrives in Europe this weekend on the first foreign trip of his second term. Renée Cordes says his attempt to woo back the continent's old guard is set for a mixed reception.

It's no surprise that George W. Bush is coming to Brussels next week to meet with European leaders on the first foreign trip of his second term.

The US president will urge allies to help promote a democratic Iraq, put pressure on Iran to give up its nuclear weapons and keep the arms embargo on China.

For their part, the Europeans are expected to bring up America's continued refusal to ratify the Kyoto climate change treaty, which took effect in 141 countries on 16 February.
Bush smiles on Old Europe



posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 01:02 PM
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If the President is looking for support for action against Iran he will find it difficult, apart from the UK he has no one that will back him up and commit forces to the region that would make a difference. Europe seems to be un-interested in helping the US fight Wars in the middle east apart from the UK.



posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 01:08 PM
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I respect all points of view Zmax. And at times I give mine even when there may be a little flack from associates on ATS. That's Democratic.
Oh BTW, I'm not American.
Dallas



posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 01:14 PM
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Originally posted by ZMax
Kriz_4,

I think you forget about the bombardment of the Germany's Millitary Industry and the destruction of Luftwafe as a fighting force by the second half of 1942...and more important the US submarine attack on japanese ships in Chinese Sea that lead to defeat of Japan in Manchuria,so the russians can send help back to Moscow...
USA didn't won tha WWII alone,didn't pay the haviest price either,but without USA Eurasia would have fallen in Nazi's hands...


Zmax, I was not saying I agree with him, just saying why he may think the way he does.

I absolutely agree with you that it was a joint effort.

I also think WW2 is irrelevant to this thread.



posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 01:26 PM
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Originally posted by Seekerof
Kriz_4:
Though I might have some tendency to agree with you on some points, the "mending of fences" with Europe is cosmetic, at best.
I would encourage the reading of this?


For both men -- a dinner to endure, not enjoy.

DINNER OF JACQUES AND GEORGE: A TRIUMPH OF DIPLOMACY OVER DISDAINseekerof


Thanks for the link Seekerof, I shall have a read.

I agree that any mending of fences with the governments involved is likely cosmetic, However as we have seen governments that have gone against the wishes of the majority of people and supported recent events have seen serious public backlashes. They have had to react accordingly, the UKs stance of not getting involved in any conflict in Iran should it happen is feuled by public opinion.

I guess some European countries are small enough that the governments actually have to listen to the citizens. If Bush's visits are not purely cosmetic and he does care for Europes citizens opinions and voice on his actions around the world, then he has to convice the people, not the governments.

To gain any real lasting influence and co-operation from Europe, he has to mend fences with the people of Europe.



posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 02:39 PM
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These are some examples of the euro attitude that Bush will face when he travels to Belgium. First, a quote from Sen. John McCain today, who is in Iraq this week:

It is in everybody's interest to see democracy succeed. And our European friends can help us in a thousand ways. These people need computers. They need paper. They need training in setting up bureaucracies and institutions of government. We plead with our European friends, take part in this. It's in your interest to see it succeed as well as ours. And for the life of me, I do not understand why the Europeans haven't been more forthcoming.


And Chirac, the terror-pimp, supporting the terrorist group Hezbollah:

The disagreement over Hezbollah presents another challenge for President Bush, who will travel to Europe on Sunday on a mission to mend ruptures with Europe over the Iraq war.

In the last two weeks, the officials said, France has rebuffed appeals by both Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and the Israeli foreign minister, Silvan Shalom, to list Hezbollah as a terrorist organization, which would prevent it from raising funds in Europe through charity groups. —NYT


Support from the euro populace would be nice, but is impossible as long as they take their cue from wanna-be leaders such as Chirac.



posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 03:13 PM
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Originally posted by ZMax
Dallas,

don't get me wrong...if given the chance to live in USA 75% of the Europeans will gladely take it...




I think you've got the decimal point in the wrong place there mate.

it should read....barely 0.75% of european would take the chance to the live the US if they could.

Certainly at the moment with Bush in charge very few european would want to live there.

He won't be welcomed with open arms by many!

And can we stop all this rubbish about european muslims? The percentage of the EU population who are muslim is less than 5% out of roughly 380 million, thats just just under 8 million throughout the entire EU



posted on Feb, 20 2005 @ 04:00 PM
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jsobecky,


Support from the euro populace would be nice, but is impossible as long as they take their cue from wanna-be leaders such as Chirac.


Are you serious? Get past your hate of the French. How can you even compare what one leaders opinions are to the rest of a CONTINENT? Should we take, for example, what someone in Peru has to say and make that what all of America says? Are you saying us Europeans base our judgement on what Chirac thinks?

I am not going to insult you, but, you really need to travel.



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