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originally posted by: Lumenari
originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: DBCowboy
Nazi's were a political party that took far right ideology so far that society needed to literally add another wing to the spectrum, fascism.
Which can manifest from anything to be honest. In the case with the Nazi's it was purely based off the fact that Germany was pushed to it's limits so much they were backed into a corner and had no option but to lash out, Hitler believe it or not was a very passionate, well spoken, and amazing leader, just for the all the wrong reasons.
I don't think it will get that bad ever again.
Thing is tho, we have a new battle ground, and it's called the internet, ideologies collide, but where will it lead us? So far it's only divided us, or brought like minded people together, for good or bad, depending what you believe.
So socialists are far right now?
~blink~
originally posted by: dug88
originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: dug88
When you face your adversaries as a non existent thing, it makes the hate flow much easier.
Facing a foe face to face as another human is much more difficult.
For instance, if ATS was a huge bar or lounge, do you think the mudpit would be popular?
Well to be fair I suppose it depends on the bar or the lounge but yeah I understand your point. Though i've seen some of the crazyness spill over into real life. There was a person I talk to sometimes on my way back from work I hadn't seen for a bit so we were chatting. They started to bring up guns and Donald trump. Now...I post on here about it...but in the end I really don't care...it's not my country, it's really not my problem and honestly there's nothing I could do about it even if I did care I don't live in america and i'm not american so there's nothing I can do about it even if I wanted to and it's honestly none of my business. This person then became irate and began ranting at me about having the privilege of not caring...without seeming to recognize the fact that as they too are not citizens of america they share this privilege.
Needless to say, after finishing a day at work and honestly kind of becoming sick at hearing and reading about that stuff because honestly...it is what it is as long as america doesn't do some stupid # like end the world....life will go on the last thing I wanted was get ranted at about this crap.
I feel like a real life mudpit would be full of people like that...and a bunch of rednecks or something....which honestly might be funny to watch...which is how i'm sure people feel about the mudpit here...well at least I do
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: DBCowboy
Nazi is the new n-word
This works perfectly well on a society swayed by propagandistic slurs.
originally posted by: RowanBean
originally posted by: Lumenari
originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: DBCowboy
Nazi's were a political party that took far right ideology so far that society needed to literally add another wing to the spectrum, fascism.
Which can manifest from anything to be honest. In the case with the Nazi's it was purely based off the fact that Germany was pushed to it's limits so much they were backed into a corner and had no option but to lash out, Hitler believe it or not was a very passionate, well spoken, and amazing leader, just for the all the wrong reasons.
I don't think it will get that bad ever again.
Thing is tho, we have a new battle ground, and it's called the internet, ideologies collide, but where will it lead us? So far it's only divided us, or brought like minded people together, for good or bad, depending what you believe.
So socialists are far right now?
~blink~
No. Socialists are on the left. Nazi Germany was far right.
originally posted by: RowanBean
originally posted by: Lumenari
originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: DBCowboy
Nazi's were a political party that took far right ideology so far that society needed to literally add another wing to the spectrum, fascism.
Which can manifest from anything to be honest. In the case with the Nazi's it was purely based off the fact that Germany was pushed to it's limits so much they were backed into a corner and had no option but to lash out, Hitler believe it or not was a very passionate, well spoken, and amazing leader, just for the all the wrong reasons.
I don't think it will get that bad ever again.
Thing is tho, we have a new battle ground, and it's called the internet, ideologies collide, but where will it lead us? So far it's only divided us, or brought like minded people together, for good or bad, depending what you believe.
So socialists are far right now?
~blink~
No. Socialists are on the left. Nazi Germany was far right.
originally posted by: Enderdog
originally posted by: RowanBean
originally posted by: Lumenari
originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: DBCowboy
Nazi's were a political party that took far right ideology so far that society needed to literally add another wing to the spectrum, fascism.
Which can manifest from anything to be honest. In the case with the Nazi's it was purely based off the fact that Germany was pushed to it's limits so much they were backed into a corner and had no option but to lash out, Hitler believe it or not was a very passionate, well spoken, and amazing leader, just for the all the wrong reasons.
I don't think it will get that bad ever again.
Thing is tho, we have a new battle ground, and it's called the internet, ideologies collide, but where will it lead us? So far it's only divided us, or brought like minded people together, for good or bad, depending what you believe.
So socialists are far right now?
~blink~
No. Socialists are on the left. Nazi Germany was far right.
So...you are like 17 years old? Admire your willingness to get into the conversation. But, maybe do some more discussion and reading?
originally posted by: CriticalStinker
originally posted by: RowanBean
originally posted by: Lumenari
originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: DBCowboy
Nazi's were a political party that took far right ideology so far that society needed to literally add another wing to the spectrum, fascism.
Which can manifest from anything to be honest. In the case with the Nazi's it was purely based off the fact that Germany was pushed to it's limits so much they were backed into a corner and had no option but to lash out, Hitler believe it or not was a very passionate, well spoken, and amazing leader, just for the all the wrong reasons.
I don't think it will get that bad ever again.
Thing is tho, we have a new battle ground, and it's called the internet, ideologies collide, but where will it lead us? So far it's only divided us, or brought like minded people together, for good or bad, depending what you believe.
So socialists are far right now?
~blink~
No. Socialists are on the left. Nazi Germany was far right.
Oh yay, the thread derailing argument.... The classic.... Which #y ideology is worse. Communist Russia or nazi Germany....
Who cares.
originally posted by: RowanBean
originally posted by: Lumenari
originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: DBCowboy
Nazi's were a political party that took far right ideology so far that society needed to literally add another wing to the spectrum, fascism.
Which can manifest from anything to be honest. In the case with the Nazi's it was purely based off the fact that Germany was pushed to it's limits so much they were backed into a corner and had no option but to lash out, Hitler believe it or not was a very passionate, well spoken, and amazing leader, just for the all the wrong reasons.
I don't think it will get that bad ever again.
Thing is tho, we have a new battle ground, and it's called the internet, ideologies collide, but where will it lead us? So far it's only divided us, or brought like minded people together, for good or bad, depending what you believe.
So socialists are far right now?
~blink~
No. Socialists are on the left. Nazi Germany was far right.
originally posted by: DBCowboy
First off, this is not a complaint about or towards anyone calling me a Nazi. Trust me, I'm used to it.
But I was watching Tucker Carlson tonight and he spoke of this topic and I wanted to expand on it a bit.
There is a danger in society when you dehumanize your opponent to such a degree that violence against the target is not only acceptable, but encouraged.
(Interlude to avoid confusion; the argument will come up that calling illegal aliens also is dehumanizing. But the illegal alien category is predicated on a specific action, that of illegally entering into the country.)
No one likes the Nazi's. No one. Except other Nazi's. Nazi's are the only ones who like Nazi's. But we stand up for their rights to free speech. We tolerate their marches because we live in a free society and free societies do that.
The Nazi's I want to discuss aren't really Nazi's though. They are regular folks who don't subscribe to an ideology that is growing increasingly militant. They are just people with different opinions.
Yet they are being labeled as Nazi's. I think the reason is that there is no rational argument against these people. The regular people who have different opinions aren't believing the way a certain ideology wants them to think. So they are labeled as Nazi's and subsequently dehumanized.
I think that once they are dehumanized to a certain extent, violence will be socially acceptable towards them. It won't be a right versus left, but a (falsely) morally right versus those whom don't adhere to the ideology.
There is a stench of violence. We see it on Twitter and social media calling for the rape of children, the abasement of first family members, the hopes of a presidential assassination, punishment for their "followers.
Once it becomes acceptable to label those with whom you disagree with, "Nazi" then the game has changed. It no longer becomes hyperbole, it no longer becomes a tit-for-tat.
Now I know hyperbole. I play it all the time. But that's what it is.
Hyperbole.
It's not being repeated on media, social media, national television 24/7.
I think we're heading for a real Nazi Peril. But it won't be the brain-dead morons glorifying Hitler that will be doing the damage.
It will be those who have convinced themselves and others that they are fighting a just and moral battle and that by any means necessary, everyone else must be violently stopped.