The Nazi Peril

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

To a point, ANTIFA is supposed to fight "fascism".

So they label others fascist in order to justify their violence and fascist behavior.

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: DBCowboy

Nazi's were a political party that took far right ideology so far that society needed to literally add another wing to the spectrum, fascism.
Which can manifest from anything to be honest. In the case with the Nazi's it was purely based off the fact that Germany was pushed to it's limits so much they were backed into a corner and had no option but to lash out, Hitler believe it or not was a very passionate, well spoken, and amazing leader, just for the all the wrong reasons.

I don't think it will get that bad ever again.
Thing is tho, we have a new battle ground, and it's called the internet, ideologies collide, but where will it lead us? So far it's only divided us, or brought like minded people together, for good or bad, depending what you believe.

So socialists are far right now?

~blink~

No. Socialists are on the left. Nazi Germany was far right.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Next someone is going to say you're offended or triggered.

Ad hominem, of course people don't want to discuss a good point.

Because clearly the world is burning down, and the US is going to have a genocide of 7+ million.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Get a thick skin, it's going to get worse. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, it just depends on the level of reality the man perceives. I was called a lot of things when I got back from overseas, means nothing to me. I did what I did for "king and country" and the volume of unhappy endings are easy to rationalize when dealing with terrorists.

The real problem we have is the lamestream media and their constant lies of omission, lies in general, more lies, damned lies, slander, libel, sedition and outright treason. Freedom of speech does not allow yelling "fire" in a crowded theatre so you can watch people trampled to death and then write a story about the false alarm. These kinds of people are rooting for collapse, they want the fight and they want to watch it from the sidelines while everybody else including everybody's children, slaughter each other for their agenda, profit or both.

It's high time the government step in and properly regulate the lamestream media, hand out prison sentences to CEO's, owners and influential shareholders that continue to promote the lies or make up new ones. Maybe that way, the labeling will stop and we can start dealing with each other as people, rather than people looking at each other through the haze of "nazi" or "fascist" windows, just because our opinions differ.

Cheers - Dave

a reply to: Lumenari

Well actually once they get their power, set the system in motion, then try to keep it from changing they technically become "conservative". I did a thread about this concept once LOL.

originally posted by: dug88

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: dug88

When you face your adversaries as a non existent thing, it makes the hate flow much easier.


Facing a foe face to face as another human is much more difficult.

For instance, if ATS was a huge bar or lounge, do you think the mudpit would be popular?

Well to be fair I suppose it depends on the bar or the lounge but yeah I understand your point. Though i've seen some of the crazyness spill over into real life. There was a person I talk to sometimes on my way back from work I hadn't seen for a bit so we were chatting. They started to bring up guns and Donald trump. Now...I post on here about it...but in the end I really don't care...it's not my country, it's really not my problem and honestly there's nothing I could do about it even if I did care I don't live in america and i'm not american so there's nothing I can do about it even if I wanted to and it's honestly none of my business. This person then became irate and began ranting at me about having the privilege of not caring...without seeming to recognize the fact that as they too are not citizens of america they share this privilege.

Needless to say, after finishing a day at work and honestly kind of becoming sick at hearing and reading about that stuff because honestly...it is what it is as long as america doesn't do some stupid # like end the world....life will go on the last thing I wanted was get ranted at about this crap.

I feel like a real life mudpit would be full of people like that...and a bunch of rednecks or something....which honestly might be funny to watch...which is how i'm sure people feel about the mudpit here...well at least I do

Peace brother. I'm sending you some good energy. Refuse to dwell in the negative. Free will. Choose to dwell in the best of human responses!

a reply to: DBCowboy

Precisely. I was just beating this angle to death the other day again with ATS's "unofficial Antifa spokesman". He cut & run. It made me sad.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Nazi is the new n-word, and those who use it do so for the intention of demonization. This works perfectly well on a society swayed by propagandistic slurs.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: DBCowboy

Nazi is the new n-word

LOL! So true.

This works perfectly well on a society swayed by propagandistic slurs.

Jingoism. A jingoistic society. Another key hallmark of a Nazi style culture. This all must be a real mind job for Neo-Nazi's lol. Almost makes me wish I had been hassling them in their forum and being able to observe their confusion and discontent with their worst enemies like ever out doing them.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Can't forget this is all because we're not processing illegal immigrants fast enough.

Where's the outrage the Veterans Affairs is backed up and our soldiers are dying? Crickets. That has no political advantage.

Edit: to clarify my point is we have many problems.

originally posted by: RowanBean

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: DBCowboy

Nazi's were a political party that took far right ideology so far that society needed to literally add another wing to the spectrum, fascism.
Which can manifest from anything to be honest. In the case with the Nazi's it was purely based off the fact that Germany was pushed to it's limits so much they were backed into a corner and had no option but to lash out, Hitler believe it or not was a very passionate, well spoken, and amazing leader, just for the all the wrong reasons.

I don't think it will get that bad ever again.
Thing is tho, we have a new battle ground, and it's called the internet, ideologies collide, but where will it lead us? So far it's only divided us, or brought like minded people together, for good or bad, depending what you believe.

So socialists are far right now?

~blink~

No. Socialists are on the left. Nazi Germany was far right.

So...you are like 17 years old? Admire your willingness to get into the conversation. But, maybe do some more discussion and reading?

a reply to: Lumenari

Oh boy ... here we go. And this is why we have such a divide, people take things way to literally.

Yes, yes we all know the Nazi's played the system to get a democratic vote.
"We must band together!" (Except those who we can blame for our own short comings)
"We are a strong nation, we can all work to make it better!" (while focusing our hate on a minority and turning them into slaves)
"We can send a message to the world that we are strong!" (boost economy by segregating themselves and cutting off all ties to the world so they can rebuild their army, and invade neighbors)

The Nazi party was a blip of socialism to gain the trust of the people, but it had much sinister means. Literally world domination and imposing their laws, rules, authoritarian control on Europe if not the entire world if they had the chance.

It literally is a far right ideology. I don't get why people can't comprehend that FAR RIGHT is not slightly right leaning, or conservative. It's not black and white.

I think the real "Nazi Peril" is not so much the dehumanizing of others and the downwards spiral toward violence that it creates ... all thought that is a hudge problem... the bigger problem is that once you start calling everyone else a "Nazi" or similar you start to devalue the power and learnid histories those references have. If Joe Shmoe Republican and Jane Doe Democrat are now Nazis and fascists than we stop knowing what those things really are... and once we forget what a "Nazi" is than we leave the door wide open for a real "Nazi" to walk right in and we wont have the wherewithal to recognize him for what he is.

People are worried about Trump being some type of evil dictator or Obama befor him. I'm worried about the next guy who's going to learn all of Trump's and Obama's tactics and take it to the next level and so on. Eventually we will get that fascist everyones worried about and we wont even know it until its too late ... we will probably love him at first.

originally posted by: RowanBean

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: DBCowboy

Nazi's were a political party that took far right ideology so far that society needed to literally add another wing to the spectrum, fascism.
Which can manifest from anything to be honest. In the case with the Nazi's it was purely based off the fact that Germany was pushed to it's limits so much they were backed into a corner and had no option but to lash out, Hitler believe it or not was a very passionate, well spoken, and amazing leader, just for the all the wrong reasons.

I don't think it will get that bad ever again.
Thing is tho, we have a new battle ground, and it's called the internet, ideologies collide, but where will it lead us? So far it's only divided us, or brought like minded people together, for good or bad, depending what you believe.

So socialists are far right now?

~blink~

No. Socialists are on the left. Nazi Germany was far right.

Oh yay, the thread derailing argument.... The classic.... Which #y ideology is worse. Communist Russia or nazi Germany....

Who cares.

originally posted by: Enderdog

originally posted by: RowanBean

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: DBCowboy

Nazi's were a political party that took far right ideology so far that society needed to literally add another wing to the spectrum, fascism.
Which can manifest from anything to be honest. In the case with the Nazi's it was purely based off the fact that Germany was pushed to it's limits so much they were backed into a corner and had no option but to lash out, Hitler believe it or not was a very passionate, well spoken, and amazing leader, just for the all the wrong reasons.

I don't think it will get that bad ever again.
Thing is tho, we have a new battle ground, and it's called the internet, ideologies collide, but where will it lead us? So far it's only divided us, or brought like minded people together, for good or bad, depending what you believe.

So socialists are far right now?

~blink~

No. Socialists are on the left. Nazi Germany was far right.

So...you are like 17 years old? Admire your willingness to get into the conversation. But, maybe do some more discussion and reading?

Lolwut?

You should see my face when I read that silliness.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: RowanBean

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: DBCowboy

Nazi's were a political party that took far right ideology so far that society needed to literally add another wing to the spectrum, fascism.
Which can manifest from anything to be honest. In the case with the Nazi's it was purely based off the fact that Germany was pushed to it's limits so much they were backed into a corner and had no option but to lash out, Hitler believe it or not was a very passionate, well spoken, and amazing leader, just for the all the wrong reasons.

I don't think it will get that bad ever again.
Thing is tho, we have a new battle ground, and it's called the internet, ideologies collide, but where will it lead us? So far it's only divided us, or brought like minded people together, for good or bad, depending what you believe.

So socialists are far right now?

~blink~

No. Socialists are on the left. Nazi Germany was far right.

Oh yay, the thread derailing argument.... The classic.... Which #y ideology is worse. Communist Russia or nazi Germany....

Who cares.

Why are you blaming me? Blame Lumenari for trying to derail the thread. Oh wait that poster is on your side. Never mind.

Carry on.

P.S. It's pretty ironic since you're continuing to derail the thread.

originally posted by: RowanBean

originally posted by: Lumenari

originally posted by: strongfp
a reply to: DBCowboy

Nazi's were a political party that took far right ideology so far that society needed to literally add another wing to the spectrum, fascism.
Which can manifest from anything to be honest. In the case with the Nazi's it was purely based off the fact that Germany was pushed to it's limits so much they were backed into a corner and had no option but to lash out, Hitler believe it or not was a very passionate, well spoken, and amazing leader, just for the all the wrong reasons.

I don't think it will get that bad ever again.
Thing is tho, we have a new battle ground, and it's called the internet, ideologies collide, but where will it lead us? So far it's only divided us, or brought like minded people together, for good or bad, depending what you believe.

So socialists are far right now?

~blink~

No. Socialists are on the left. Nazi Germany was far right.

Where did you get this false information?
The National Socialist German Workers' Party, 
Just listen to a Hitler speech. It's almost identical to the crap Bernie Sanders drones on about. How else could you convince an entire population it's ok to exterminate someone over an ideology? Mass SOCIAL engineer via socialism.

At least socialism doesn't have a death count like communism. So I'll give you that.

a reply to: JAY1980

Read Strongfp's post above. It's scary how many people actually believe that Nazi Germany was left-wing.

Anyway this is going off-topic.

a reply to: JAY1980

That is absurd on an almost unimaginable level.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
First off, this is not a complaint about or towards anyone calling me a Nazi. Trust me, I'm used to it.

But I was watching Tucker Carlson tonight and he spoke of this topic and I wanted to expand on it a bit.

There is a danger in society when you dehumanize your opponent to such a degree that violence against the target is not only acceptable, but encouraged.

(Interlude to avoid confusion; the argument will come up that calling illegal aliens also is dehumanizing. But the illegal alien category is predicated on a specific action, that of illegally entering into the country.)


No one likes the Nazi's. No one. Except other Nazi's. Nazi's are the only ones who like Nazi's. But we stand up for their rights to free speech. We tolerate their marches because we live in a free society and free societies do that.


The Nazi's I want to discuss aren't really Nazi's though. They are regular folks who don't subscribe to an ideology that is growing increasingly militant. They are just people with different opinions.

Yet they are being labeled as Nazi's. I think the reason is that there is no rational argument against these people. The regular people who have different opinions aren't believing the way a certain ideology wants them to think. So they are labeled as Nazi's and subsequently dehumanized.

I think that once they are dehumanized to a certain extent, violence will be socially acceptable towards them. It won't be a right versus left, but a (falsely) morally right versus those whom don't adhere to the ideology.

There is a stench of violence. We see it on Twitter and social media calling for the rape of children, the abasement of first family members, the hopes of a presidential assassination, punishment for their "followers.

Once it becomes acceptable to label those with whom you disagree with, "Nazi" then the game has changed. It no longer becomes hyperbole, it no longer becomes a tit-for-tat.

Now I know hyperbole. I play it all the time. But that's what it is.

Hyperbole.

It's not being repeated on media, social media, national television 24/7.


I think we're heading for a real Nazi Peril. But it won't be the brain-dead morons glorifying Hitler that will be doing the damage.

It will be those who have convinced themselves and others that they are fighting a just and moral battle and that by any means necessary, everyone else must be violently stopped.

If you recall last year or maybe the year before, progressives were going around asking if it was ok to punch a Nazi.

A progressive tactic is to always dehumanize anyone who disagrees to justify not debating the topic. This is why they have no problem squashing dissenting speech on campuses. They don't view those who disagree as merely having an differing opinion, they view them as evil. They do the same with calling people racist. Even if you win the debate with facts, you are still a racist.

This was demonstrated when intellectual minstrel Eric Michael Dyson debated Jordan Petersen a few weeks ago and in between his verbal diarreha, basically just called him a "mean white man".