Immigrant children detained in Virginia facility say they were beaten

a reply to: JoshuaCox

Plus kids lie and a chance to be five minute famous at the center of some big political issue is a big win for someone’s life..on either side.. if your claiming you were wronged by immigrants or your claiming your an immigrant who has been wronged.. 

Very true. Why is this story only coming out now?

originally posted by: Sillyolme
There are no circumstances where a child should ever be treated like this.
Not ever!

Says you.

I'm sure that you've been privy to all of the situations that mid- to late-teenage boys put adults in--especially in confinement facilities--and whether or not restraints or even physical force is necessary in any of those situations.

Don't forget to feed your unicorn over there in fantasy land.

BTW, why do you ignore my direct comments to you that provide sourced material and actual facts in response to your silly claims? It has happened repeatedly on this topic alone. Are you willing to admit that you're just here for the one-line responses and drive-by points that lack truth?

a reply to: NthOther

This should NEVER happen under any administration. The whole truth needs to come out.
I am grateful that President Trump has put a stop to it.
The immigrant crisis is a long duration problem, the result of bad decisions by several previous administrations.
We need to maintain our decency while we strive maintain the integrity of our borders. This will not be any easy fix.
Partisanship, tearing each other down, and shredding our country from within is weak and puny minded --- We are so much better than this.
Again, Go President Trump, for putting a stop to a policy that was in place prior to taking office.

a reply to: Wide-Eyes

Because it is a clickbait issue..

If you house large numbers of people it requires large numbers of police..


Large numbers of police you are gonna have some bad ones..


Name one large scale instance of people being incarcerated that has not come with rapes murders and beatings???



WHY DO YOU THINK OBAMA STOPPED PROSECUTING PARENTS WITH CHILDREN???


It was too expensive and a PR nightmare even without misconduct.

originally posted by: SeaYote
a reply to: NthOther
I am grateful that President Trump has put a stop to it.

You mean after he went all in and doubled down on it gleefully (even espousing directives to step it up more), then in morose fashion backed away from it while in the very same breath touting that he'd still rather be tough and heartless then compassionate and weak.

Yeah, I'm grateful too, in the same way I'm grateful when someone who takes a dump in the middle of a grocery store isle begrudgingly cleans it up.

a reply to: Wide-Eyes

Because a former worker at the facility just went to the AP with her story. The suit was originally filed in October last year.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Former worker or disgruntled employee?

a reply to: Muninn

Considering she was an independent child development specialist and not an actual employee, I'm going with the former.

originally posted by: Wayfarer

originally posted by: SeaYote
a reply to: NthOther
I am grateful that President Trump has put a stop to it.

You mean after he went all in and doubled down on it gleefully (even espousing directives to step it up more), then in morose fashion backed away from it while in the very same breath touting that he'd still rather be tough and heartless then compassionate and weak.

Yeah, I'm grateful too, in the same way I'm grateful when someone who takes a dump in the middle of a grocery store isle begrudgingly cleans it up.

Let me set the record straight--- I did not vote for Trump, nor did I vote for HRC -- I am appalled by most of the idiocy that comes from Trumps mouth. HOWEVER, as a loyal U.S. citizen, I do indeed applaud our sitting president when he makes a wise decision. I am actually surprised that his ego allowed him to adjust course --- I respect that.
Again --- the immigrant crisis was not invented last year and it will not be solved over night.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Muninn

Considering she was an independent child development specialist and not an actual employee, I'm going with the former.

?

She was a worker but not an employee?

a reply to: NthOther

Funny that you think this is a left-right issue. Funny that anyone that disagrees with anything done under Trump must be a card carrying leftist Obama lover. Everyone should look at stories with an open mind, fact check, listen to alternate sources and use your own thinking to wade through all the fake spin news out there.

Congress and the trump administration need to work together to get things done in this country. the Democrats seem to be doing the same thing the Republicans did to Obama when he was in office they refuse to negotiate compromise and work with one another it is extremely childlike and unprofessional.

a reply to: Muninn

Facilities like these usually have outside psychologists and social workers come in to evaluate the children.

originally posted by: conspiracy nut
a reply to: NthOther

Funny that you think this is a left-right issue. Funny that anyone that disagrees with anything done under Trump must be a card carrying leftist Obama lover. Everyone should look at stories with an open mind, fact check, listen to alternate sources and use your own thinking to wade through all the fake spin news out there.

Congress and the trump administration need to work together to get things done in this country. the Democrats seem to be doing the same thing the Republicans did to Obama when he was in office they refuse to negotiate compromise and work with one another it is extremely childlike and unprofessional.

I absolutely agree with you !!!!

a reply to: Xcalibur254

This court case was filed in 2016. This was Obamas policies that caused this. AP found an old court case and put it out on the wire.

Here is the story of the boy that filed it

The complaint filed by the nonprofit Washington Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights and Urban Affairs recounts the story of an unnamed 17-year-old Mexican citizen apprehended at the southern border. The teen fled an abusive father and violence fueled by drug cartels to seek asylum in the United States in 2015.
After stops at facilities in Texas and New York, he was transferred to Shenandoah in April 2016 and diagnosed during an initial screening by a psychologist with three mental 

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To get bipartisan support from the Democrats on immigration reform is to further legalize abortion for unwanted children to the age of 18. I'm sure they would jump head over heals to pass legislation.

I know it sounds shocking and ridiculous, but I'm sure the majority of Americans felt the same way about any kinda legalized abortion law before the supreme court legislated the last law.

a reply to: dragonridr

Actually it was filed October 4, 2017. Once again though, for the third time in this thread:

As I've said in other threads, I don't pin this kind of behavior on one single administration. This is a systemic issue that keeps getting overlooked.

It doesn't matter whose administration this occurred under. It occurred under Obama. It occurs under Trump. Hell, it's probably been occurring in some form or another since the founding of this country. Abuse of children by the state should not be a partisan issue. So stop trying to make it in to one.

ETA: The article about the original filing of the case.
Wiley Rein and Washington Lawyers’ Committee File Fifth Amendment Complaint on Behalf of Immigrants Detained in Shenandoah Valley Juvenile Center

a reply to: Xcalibur254

sigh - yes i denounce child abuse under ANY administration or reqgieme

BUT :

the cuirrent headlines in the merkin press are a partissan wank-fest

such as : " trump concentration camps "

a reply to: Xcalibur254

It wouldn't be a humanitarian crises if we closed the borders!

a reply to: Xcalibur254


Where is the outrage over how our own children/citizens are treated by our own educational system? ie teachers union????


Crickets on how our own are treated by the teachers union right?

Let's face the facts! We have enough of our own problems to clean up with our own. Also just to add, don't those who promote sanctuary cities have some blame in these so called outrageous atrocities? After all, if it wasn't for sanctuary cities throwing out the welcome mat for these so called innocent families seeking asylum, would they even be flocking to the US as they are?

Look at the pics of these so called children. Look pretty grown to me. Kind of like in the EU where they know to say they are underage while being grown men?

originally posted by: SeaYote

originally posted by: Wayfarer

originally posted by: SeaYote
a reply to: NthOther
I am grateful that President Trump has put a stop to it.

You mean after he went all in and doubled down on it gleefully (even espousing directives to step it up more), then in morose fashion backed away from it while in the very same breath touting that he'd still rather be tough and heartless then compassionate and weak.

Yeah, I'm grateful too, in the same way I'm grateful when someone who takes a dump in the middle of a grocery store isle begrudgingly cleans it up.

Let me set the record straight--- I did not vote for Trump, nor did I vote for HRC -- I am appalled by most of the idiocy that comes from Trumps mouth. HOWEVER, as a loyal U.S. citizen, I do indeed applaud our sitting president when he makes a wise decision. I am actually surprised that his ego allowed him to adjust course --- I respect that.
Again --- the immigrant crisis was not invented last year and it will not be solved over night.

Well good on you for that then. It just wasn't explicitly clear from your interpretation above that you understood that the recent surge in child detention/separation was under Trump's watch, so while I can understand being happy that he rescinded his earlier directive to step up the removal of children from their parents, it felt disingenuous to me that you were not giving Trump adequate credit for stoking the fire of the latest crisis scenario before summarily backing away from it (in the same way it would be weird to congratulate someone for cleaning up their own mess in the isle at Kroger).