Romania will join the EU in 2007

What does everyone think? I mean this is the way it should be... get every country in europe to join the EU... that way it would be a true union of europe.

Little by little the 'European family' is coming together.

The old paths of domination, forced union and subjugation have been tried and failed - at ruinous cost across several generations.

Free co-operation and the persuit of our shared interests is the only way to bring the manifest and enduring benefits we can acheive when we all work together compared to our individual efforts alone.

Croatia is also set to join in 2007 I believe.

Actually I think there are like 3 or 5 nations joining the EU in 2007, i would be interesting to see what Europe would be in 10-20 years. Maybe it will be one big family... like the way its supposed to be.

My bad.

Apparantly it's Bulgaria and Romania joining in 2007, Croatia might be in in 2009 but it's all a bit vague after 2007 at the moment.

news.bbc.co.uk...

There 4 nations as candidates to join the EU and one pending as of 2005.
Currently there are 25 members, if Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Turkey and the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia join then there will be 30 countrys in the EU of the 47 in all of Europe. Only 16 more to go then... not including Vatican City.

www.eurunion.org...

Originally posted by beyondSciFi
There 4 nations as candidates to join the EU and one pending as of 2005.
Currently there are 25 members, if Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Turkey and the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia \

Theyll never let Croatia in. The bastards want us to give them Ante Gotovina. Which we will never do because he is not a criminal he is a hero.

Why would the EU let Turkey in? Theyre in Asia. Might as well let China in if they make it.

Trukey has a long standing history with Europe, since it ruled much of Europe during the Ottoman empire times. Over time they became friends.

[edit on 20-2-2005 by beyondSciFi]

Originally posted by beyondSciFi
Trukey has a long standing history with Europe, since it ruled much of Europe during the Ottoman empire times. Over time they became friends.

[edit on 20-2-2005 by beyondSciFi]

I hate those Ottamans! Because of them Bosnia and Herzegovina are split from the rest of Croatia. If they make it in I am going to be pisssssssed

actually romania's entry is no longer certain. the new PM who is the former mayor of bucharest has stated that he is not so sure EU membvership is a positive thing for romania. And in truth I agree. Despite the lowering of trade barriers the amount of coruupton in the EU is huge, not to mention IMHO the economic standars which are heavily socialist, after 50 years of cmmunist rule the last thing romanians want is to gbe part of a predominatly socialist union.
BTW my wife is romanian and I live in bucharest.

Ah... Its interesting to hear the point of view from someone that actually lives there. So what do you think would be the best thing for Romania now or in the near future?

That's interesting mwm1331; I'll remember to keep an eye on that.

As for this 'huge corruption' you believe to exist in the EU I can only point to the EU auditor's reports.
Sure there is some corruption, waste and inefficiency but it's at a low level (certainly compared to the levels found nationally in each of the nation states).

Sadly many people allow their prejudices to run away with them on this.....but only because the auditors have refused to sign off the audits for several years.

But this is not actually because of 'huge corruption' but an on-going protest against the EU still not adopting certain reccommendations they have previously made regarding some accountancy proceedures which the EU either refuses to adopt or is blocked from adopting by the national govs. In other words it's about the wider politics at work in the EU (or the nation states) and not actually EU corruption.

Well sminkey opinion as to whether EU membership would be postitve is split pretty evenly. Me personally I think it would be a negative. Romania's economy is just now beginning to recover from communist rule. While great strides are being made there is still a lot let to do. For the most part anyone over the age of 40 here is useless. The were trained by communism that it is better not to do your job than to do it, the reason being if you do your job and make a mistake you can be penalised while if you do nothing they cant blame you for anything. The youth however (who elected basescu his voter base was primarily young reform minded urbantes) are very strongly capitalist for the most part, every employee we have makes more in a month than both parents do in a year. The problem is in order to really devolp two thing IMHO need to happen, local government corruption needs to be seriously reigned in, and the unbelivably archaic and byzantine business restrictions and regulations need to be abolished. I just dont think a regulation happy organisation like the EU is the best thing for romania at this time, mybe in 10-20 years but not now. I honestly belive it would stifle growth.

Originally posted by mwm1331
local government corruption needs to be seriously reigned in

- OK, I'll wear that one.
Local politics is a different 'kettle of fish' to national or EU-wide politics and can be prone to corruption (as is well documented just about everywhere on the planet).

I just dont think a regulation happy organisation like the EU is the best thing for romania at this time, mybe in 10-20 years but not now. I honestly belive it would stifle growth.

- OK, I just don't think you can compare a single aspect of the old system with the entirity of the new. The EU is not perfection but nevertheless a hell of a step up from what has gone before in Europe.

I'm sure the old 'command economy' was riven with regulations (but the kind of - very 'foreign' to us - regulation that extended right down to the 'micro' level) but I doubt they are seriously comparable with EU regualtions.
One must also set EU regulation in context, but adhering to 'the rules of the new club' other benefits open up.......in stark contrast to the old regime.

But whatever, it's interesting to hear a view from someone actually there and like I said I'll be interessted to see how this works out; thanks for that.

I'm Romanian, I think the EU is a bad thing.
We are going to join in 2007 but I dont see any good things about it.
We will have to deal with people from meadle east coming here and I'm not too confortable about it, we already got probelms with gipsys and now the EU wants to rule us, no more independence, we will have to put steroids and chimicals in every product vegtables, fruits etc and end up fat and sedentary
When we started to roar at the gipsys every one called us natzis, but they do flee over the border go steal and beg out side and then they are confused as being romanian and it screws with our image.
Personaly I pity croatia , how would you like some one to come and take a pice of your land and clame it for their own?
They how ever exagerated exterminateing them, they could of chose to kick them out of the country.
Any way EU will have us all, and it will rob us of our identity, we will be like little robots, the plan is to control the mass, once europe is unified it's a non stop ride towards globalisation.
I would like to see a unified europe but not under the curent plot.
We will be like caws.



[edit on 6-3-2006 by pepsi78]

Originally posted by pepsi78
now the EU wants to rule us, no more independence

- Er, you don't have to join, no-one is forcing you to.

we will have to put steroids and chimicals in every product vegtables, fruits etc and end up fat and sedentary

- No you won't.

The EU legislates against many chemicals being applied in farming in fact.

Fat and sedentary is as much about fast or processed food and no exercise as it is about anything in the rest of the EU or USA for that matter.

how would you like some one to come and take a pice of your land and clame it for their own?

- It's a changing world and no 'nation' 'sprang up' from 'our' particular countries.

I would like to see a unified europe but not under the curent plot.
We will be like caws.

- Then why are you joining it?

[edit on 6-3-2006 by sminkeypinkey]

- Then why are you joining it?

Ask my goverment.

Originally posted by pepsi78
Ask my goverment.

- Haven't they told you?

Even so that is fair enough.
Governments are usually 'representitive democracies', we elect them on the basis of their proposed program for government; surely they already said at election time whether they were for or against EU membership?

They are surely not expected to or asked to put all these difficult decisions back to the people who often have neither the time nor expertise to hear the informed details and expert opinion and decide on such complex matters.
That is the legitimate function of an elected representitive democratic government, what else would they be for if they actually ended up deciding nothing and always shirked responsibility?

But presumably you had anti-EU parties standing for election to represent the people who would have chosen not to join the EU?

Is there a large or small anti-EU 'movement' in Romania?

Your original post made it sound like the EU was trying to 'take over' your country when in fact the truth is that the government of your country is freely joining a democratic collective cooperative which acts together for mutual benefit.
But that doesn't mean it's perfect either.

The EU is not some dictatorial monolith (in fact in the usual game of 'playing both ends against the middle' the fact that there is not a strong quasi-dictatorial 'leadership' is often cited by critics as an example of it's 'weakness), your country will join the decision making processes just like all the rest of us and have a voice and vote(s)therein.

You'll also find that 'organic produce' (ie fruit and vegetables grown without any "steroids and chimicals" are one of the biggest growing sectors in European farming (and one of the most profitable too).

Ultimately if a majority of the Romanian people don't like it they can choose to leave, no-one is forced to remain in the EU if they do not wish to be members of it.


[edit on 7-3-2006 by sminkeypinkey]

The EU legislates against many chemicals being applied in farming in fact.

Are you kidding me, tomatos big as water melons with no taste.
They put tons of chemicals in them, they say it's for production prupose(not quality)

- It's a changing world and no 'nation' 'sprang up' from 'our' particular countries.

Yes the EU will decide what you are alow to do in u'r own country.
And who gets a pice of u'r country, It gets to screw with u'r identity
It gets to destroy national identity and make you think like a little robot.
Hittler tryed to do it and he failed, he try doing every thing by force, one way to do it is to trick the people, it's much easyer.
Culture will no longer be a thing, the agenda is to make us little uniform boys, just like in comunism, I hate comunism !!I hate greed and I hate people crying for power like little babys.
If some one is accepted in a sociaty it should be based on the people if they cosider or not if that person is going to fit in and if that person is fair and decent and not by some organisation body dictating what we should do.
This with you must do that and that and that to enter is just a little game.
They even get to control the danube delta, the sea resort, and eventuly what we get to learn in school(propaganda& fake history)
And yes they stick the world bank IMF up our throat which is practicly design to bank rupt nations(the goverment got no way to pay back, too stupid to do so)so what they do is say, okay you dont got enugh money give us the rain forests, give us the mountains(we own you)
It's no surprise to me in a few years if I want to go head up in some place in the country to visit and it says do not tras pass (private property of the IMF)

Is there a large or small anti-EU 'movement' in Romania?

No there is not, all partys are for EU and the people usualy do have diferent
opinions but no movements, people are sic of everything and usualy dont trust anithing.
I voted for the curent administration, but I think they are leting me down, my prime minister is a joke.
In stead of building our own democratic sistem being inventive he copys everithing, he is a political dork with no ability to think.
He is u'r avrege ass kisser he expects everithing to drop from the sky.
I dont like depending on some one else and no one does around here.

You will see that the EU will turn out to be something else and not democratic, look at the media everything is crap.
Here it's still diferent, the media will bash de politicians and hit them so hard that they will end up in the cort.
In the EU the coruption runs high but it's not mentioned by the media so they get to live happy.
Look for example at cofia nan from the UN, he bot a mercedes for his son with funds from the UN and nothing hapend, the thing is, he did something rong trow him in jail, let him rot there, I dont care who it is, or is the law only for dumb simple people.
Look with the german felow kidnaped by the CIA and excorted nicely in afganistan(rendition)where he was told he is never going to see home again, nothing hapend, why? because they are all corupt , they wash each others hands sort of "I did you a favor now shut up about this"



[edit on 7-3-2006 by pepsi78]

Originally posted by pepsi78
Are you kidding me, tomatos big as water melons with no taste.
They put tons of chemicals in them, they say it's for production prupose(not quality)

- Not in my supermarket they don't.
Nor did they in the outlets I have visited in Holland, Greece or France fairly recently.

Water injection is rife in many processed foods but not "chemicals" and absolutely not in the organic foods.

If your countries' produce is genuinely chemical free (and not just in terms of farming pesticides but industrial pollutants on the ground and in the soil and water.....something that has been a huge problem for many eastern European countries) then the organic market should be a huge earner for you guys; Europe currently cannot get enough organic produce (although the requirements are very strict to qualify as genuinely 'organic produce'.

Yes the EU will decide what you are alow to do in u'r own country.
And who gets a pice of u'r country, It gets to screw with u'r identity

It gets to destroy national identity and make you think like a little robot.

- The EU doesn't decide any of this.

The member countries agree the law within their own countries as before but also to 'pan-European' common standards and cross-community law.

In the case of my own country I cannot think of a single piece of EU law that has dictated anything to me in terms of my personal liberty - in fact the ECHR (European Convention on Human Rights) recently incorporated into British law extended my personal liberties.

Oh, and it's worth remembering that the ECHR isn't something from the EU either.

To suggest that Germans are less German or the French less French or the British less British etc etc because of how the EU now makes them is just silly and totally untrue.

......and the EU hasn't forced anyone to join or remain a member.

Hittler tryed to do it and he failed, he try doing every thing by force, one way to do it is to trick the people, it's much easyer.

- A 50yrs old trick?!

Now who's kidding who?

Claiming any similarity between the sovereign freely cooperating democracies that are the nation states of Europe to a nazi dictatorship and occupation is both laughable and frankly to insult the reality of those terrible times.

Culture will no longer be a thing, the agenda is to make us little uniform boys, just like in comunism, I hate comunism !!I hate greed and I hate people crying for power like little babys.

- I don't know what propaganda you're reading but minimum common standards and cross-community agreed business and legal practices are not about imposing uniformity or "communism".

Like I said no one is forcing this on anyone.

If some one is accepted in a sociaty it should be based on the people if they cosider or not if that person is going to fit in and if that person is fair and decent and not by some organisation body dictating what we should do.

- What dictating?

Who is supposed to making your country do what?

This with you must do that and that and that to enter is just a little game.

- No; it is all about readying yourself for membership.

The 'club' has rules.

You are perfectly free not to join if you find this so terrible but if you are going to join the 'club' then you must abide by the rules already agreed between the member states.

and eventuly what we get to learn in school(propaganda& fake history)

- .....and where does this idea come from?

Name a single instance of the EU dictating the detail of what is taught in the schools of the member states to date.

And yes they stick the world bank IMF up our throat which is practicly design to bank rupt nations(the goverment got no way to pay back, too stupid to do so)so what they do is say, okay you dont got enugh money give us the rain forests, give us the mountains(we own you)
It's no surprise to me in a few years if I want to go head up in some place in the country to visit and it says do not tras pass (private property of the IMF)

- Don't you know the IMF and the EU are not the same organisations?
They have nothing to do with each other.

No there is not, all partys are for EU

- Does that not indicate that there is a wide agreement in your own country then that EU membership is going to be the best course to take?

One can only presume that if they are suppressing an anti-EU 'feeling' amongst the people that all that had to happen was for an anti-EU party to emerge and take all the votes.
The fact this has not happened might well be a pretty strong indicator that anti-EU 'feeling' might not be anything like as strong as you yourself feel.

I voted for the curent administration, but I think they are leting me down, my prime minister is a joke.
In stead of building our own democratic sistem being inventive he copys everithing, he is a political dork with no ability to think.
He is u'r avrege ass kisser he expects everithing to drop from the sky.
I dont like depending on some one else and no one does around here.

- Why vote for someone you don't like or agree with?

You will see that the EU will turn out to be something else and not democratic, look at the media everything is crap.

- Er, the EU is democratic, my country is still democratic and whatever you feel about the media (much of which is internationally and privately owned) is nothing to do with the EU itself.

Here it's still diferent, the media will bash de politicians and hit them so hard that they will end up in the cort.

- We too still have politicians that can end up in court.
Maybe things are nothing like as you seem to imagine?

In the EU the coruption runs high but it's not mentioned by the media so they get to live happy.

- Not so.
The EU finances are subject to audit every year and the auditors do not find "high" levels of corruption.
The auditors have refused to sign off the EU accounts for several years now but that is because the EU has refused to implement several of their recommendations (which in turn is because the member states will not accept them or refuse to pay the cost of implementing them).

Look for example at cofia nan from the UN, he bot a mercedes for his son with funds from the UN

and nothing hapend, the thing is, he did something rong trow him in jail, let him rot there, I dont care who it is, or is the law only for dumb simple people.

- ?
Kofi Annan and the UN are nothing to do with the EU.

Look with the german felow kidnaped by the CIA and excorted nicely in afganistan(rendition)where he was told he is never going to see home again, nothing hapend, why? because they are all corupt , they wash each others hands sort of "I did you a favor now shut up about this"

- .......and neither are the CIA.

You may complain about modern government and the way some things are but at least lay the problems at the door of those responsible for them.


[edit on 8-3-2006 by sminkeypinkey]

Well you unlinked all the organisations from the EU.
But why unlink them when they are for it.
The Eu is promoting the world bank.
Th EU is promoting the united nations their on a non stop stand at the UN.
The EU tolerates the CIA and exept the german counceler who did get pised off no one seems to see anithing.


[edit on 8-3-2006 by pepsi78]