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posted on Jun, 21 2018 @ 08:49 AM
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***For those with short attention spans, just skip down to the excerpts for the short version.***

So during this whole manufactured crisis about immigrant children that most Democrats and media didn't care about up until a few weeks ago when they needed an issue to campaign/fundraise on for the midterms, one of the big sticking points was Trump's claim that Congress had to fix this problem because of a 1997 law (it was actually a court order, interpreting the law he's talking about) that required children to be separated from their parents. (The law doesn't specifically say you have to separate parents from their children. However, this is a red herring. Every possible consequence of being prosecuted doesn't have to be spelled out in the law. People are separated from their children when they're arrested, people lose their jobs, people lose their possessions; the law doesn't say all of these things can happen, but it's a natural consequence of being prosecuted. This point is just made to distract people who lack critical thinking skills. The court order stated you can't detain children longer than 20 days, and it takes more than 20 days to prosecute many of these people, so by default you have to separate the parents from their children while they're being prosecuted, so yes the law does require this even if it doesn't explicitly say so). This law and the subsequent court order is what led to Presidents Clinton, Bush and Obama all having done this evil, Nazi thing that President Trump is being blasted over today. The media and many Democrats have been claiming that Trump is lying, that he could fix it with an Executive Order.

Now, just a little background on how our laws and policies work. This is a point of big-time confusion for a lot of people because they're used to 8 years of Obama where he just pencil-whipped his way around laws with Executive Orders. That's actually not legal. The President can't just make any policy he wants with an Executive Order. Laws are written by Congress, and they're written in generalized language. Then the President makes policy, which is more specific, but the policies must still comply with the law. If they don't, they can be challenged in court.

(This is another reason why you know Trump was in the right in the first place, because the Democrats have been filing frivolous lawsuits against many of his policies as a matter of course, so if this policy of separating the children wasn't in compliance with the law, they would've sued to stop it. They didn't.)

So, Trump called their bluff. He signed an EO yesterday to keep the families together while the parents are being prosecuted. This Executive Order is actually illegal, and New York Times, Washington Post and a few other outlets accidentally reported that yesterday.


But ending the practice of separating families still faces legal and practical obstacles. A federal judge could refuse to give the Trump administration the authority it wants to hold families in custody for more than 20 days, which is the current limit because of a 1997 court order.


NY Times


The plan would keep families together in federal custody while awaiting prosecution for illegal border crossings, potentially violating a 1997 court settlement limiting the duration of child detentions.


WaPo

Of course, I doubt they meant to acknowledge Trump was right all along. They likely just copied and pasted most of this from an AP report without really proof-reading or editing much of it, like they usually do, since the media are awful. It will be interesting to see how they try to spin this from this point on. Will the Democrats file a lawsuit against Trump's illegal Executive Order, which will force him to revert to the prior policy of separating the children while the parents are prosecuted? The only other option is to just not prosecute them, which we all know is what the Democrats want. Open borders and no consequences for illegal immigration. Time will tell. In the meantime, the media and the Democrats have been exposed as liars, again. Congress needs to fix this, as Trump said. They've needed to fix it for decades.



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posted on Jun, 21 2018 @ 08:54 AM
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a reply to: face23785

He has been right about everything. The left has lost all credibility. Its like they just close their eyes and hold their breath like spoiled little brats.


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posted on Jun, 21 2018 @ 09:07 AM
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originally posted by: notsure1
a reply to: face23785

He has been right about everything. The left has lost all credibility. Its like they just close their eyes and hold their breath like spoiled little brats.


You forgot to add ... and stick their fingers in their ears and utter la, la, la, la, la, la, la until they surface their next made up crisis.


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posted on Jun, 21 2018 @ 09:11 AM
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originally posted by: Lab4Us

originally posted by: notsure1
a reply to: face23785

He has been right about everything. The left has lost all credibility. Its like they just close their eyes and hold their breath like spoiled little brats.


You forgot to add ... and stick their fingers in their ears and utter la, la, la, la, la, la, la until they surface their next made up crisis.


I swear that is what it seems like. 2 year long cry baby temper tantrum.



posted on Jun, 21 2018 @ 09:20 AM
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Nobody denied that the Flores Settlement says children must be released in 20 days. What it does not say is that families must be separated. In fact, the whole point of it is to make sure children are with their family members.


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posted on Jun, 21 2018 @ 09:25 AM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
Nobody denied that the Flores Settlement says children must be released in 20 days. What it does not say is that families must be separated. In fact, the whole point of it is to make sure children are with their family members.


Why didnt you care 3 years ago?
CNN just forget to tell you to?

edit on 21-6-2018 by notsure1 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 21 2018 @ 09:43 AM
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a reply to: notsure1

I was critical of Obama's immigration policy as well. So much for your attempted whataboutism deflection.

What about you though? Are you saying that the Obama administration did something right or that the Trump administration is doing something wrong? People keep bringing up what was done in the past as justification for what is being done in the present but they never actually say whether or not they approve of those actions.

The fact remains though, since the policy in change in April, the ORR has been taking in more "unaccompanied" minors. So clearly this policy has led to the separation of more families than we have seen in the past.


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posted on Jun, 21 2018 @ 09:44 AM
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originally posted by: notsure1
Why didnt you care 3 years ago?
CNN just forget to tell you to?


They didn't have Trump as a target, that's why. Back then they were too busy being mad at every single cop, remember??


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posted on Jun, 21 2018 @ 09:44 AM
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a reply to: Xcalibur254




I was critical of Obama's immigration policy as well


On ATS? LOL I bet no..



posted on Jun, 21 2018 @ 09:50 AM
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a reply to: notsure1

That I couldn't say. Back then I didn't really take part in political discussion on here. But now you can't really avoid it.

I notice you failed to answer my question.
edit on 6/21/2018 by Xcalibur254 because: (no reason given)


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posted on Jun, 21 2018 @ 11:13 AM
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originally posted by: notsure1

originally posted by: Lab4Us

originally posted by: notsure1
a reply to: face23785

He has been right about everything. The left has lost all credibility. Its like they just close their eyes and hold their breath like spoiled little brats.


You forgot to add ... and stick their fingers in their ears and utter la, la, la, la, la, la, la until they surface their next made up crisis.


I swear that is what it seems like. 2 year long cry baby temper tantrum.


It's been a non-stop temper tantrum since Nov '16.



posted on Jun, 21 2018 @ 11:14 AM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
Nobody denied that the Flores Settlement says children must be released in 20 days. What it does not say is that families must be separated. In fact, the whole point of it is to make sure children are with their family members.


This reads like it was written by someone who didn't read the OP. I explained this.

Pretty much every thread I offer, the first page is full of responses from people who either didn't read what I said, or totally ignored what I said. Shame, that. You can't have a dialog with someone who ignores what you say.

ETA: Since you can't be bothered to read the OP, I'll just add the part that explains your concern here:


The law doesn't specifically say you have to separate parents from their children. However, this is a red herring. Every possible consequence of being prosecuted doesn't have to be spelled out in the law. People are separated from their children when they're arrested, people lose their jobs, people lose their possessions; the law doesn't say all of these things can happen, but it's a natural consequence of being prosecuted. This point is just made to distract people who lack critical thinking skills. The court order stated you can't detain children longer than 20 days, and it takes more than 20 days to prosecute many of these people, so by default you have to separate the parents from their children while they're being prosecuted, so yes the law does require this even if it doesn't explicitly say so.

edit on 21 6 18 by face23785 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 21 2018 @ 11:20 AM
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originally posted by: face23785
Time will tell. In the meantime, the media and the Democrats have been exposed as liars, again. Congress needs to fix this, as Trump said. They've needed to fix it for decades.


They're all liars. All of them are doing what's in the best interest for themselves and their buddies, not the American people. Despite these objective facts, millions of people still line up to cheer 'their liars' on.



posted on Jun, 21 2018 @ 11:24 AM
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originally posted by: face23785
***For those with short attention spans, just skip down to the excerpts for the short version.***

So during this whole manufactured crisis about immigrant children that most Democrats and media didn't care about up until a few weeks ago when they needed an issue to campaign/fundraise on for the midterms, one of the big sticking points was Trump's claim that Congress had to fix this problem because of a 1997 law (it was actually a court order, interpreting the law he's talking about) that required children to be separated from their parents. (The law doesn't specifically say you have to separate parents from their children. However, this is a red herring. Every possible consequence of being prosecuted doesn't have to be spelled out in the law. People are separated from their children when they're arrested, people lose their jobs, people lose their possessions; the law doesn't say all of these things can happen, but it's a natural consequence of being prosecuted. This point is just made to distract people who lack critical thinking skills. The court order stated you can't detain children longer than 20 days, and it takes more than 20 days to prosecute many of these people, so by default you have to separate the parents from their children while they're being prosecuted, so yes the law does require this even if it doesn't explicitly say so). This law and the subsequent court order is what led to Presidents Clinton, Bush and Obama all having done this evil, Nazi thing that President Trump is being blasted over today. The media and many Democrats have been claiming that Trump is lying, that he could fix it with an Executive Order.

Now, just a little background on how our laws and policies work. This is a point of big-time confusion for a lot of people because they're used to 8 years of Obama where he just pencil-whipped his way around laws with Executive Orders. That's actually not legal. The President can't just make any policy he wants with an Executive Order. Laws are written by Congress, and they're written in generalized language. Then the President makes policy, which is more specific, but the policies must still comply with the law. If they don't, they can be challenged in court.

(This is another reason why you know Trump was in the right in the first place, because the Democrats have been filing frivolous lawsuits against many of his policies as a matter of course, so if this policy of separating the children wasn't in compliance with the law, they would've sued to stop it. They didn't.)

So, Trump called their bluff. He signed an EO yesterday to keep the families together while the parents are being prosecuted. This Executive Order is actually illegal, and New York Times, Washington Post and a few other outlets accidentally reported that yesterday.


But ending the practice of separating families still faces legal and practical obstacles. A federal judge could refuse to give the Trump administration the authority it wants to hold families in custody for more than 20 days, which is the current limit because of a 1997 court order.


NY Times


The plan would keep families together in federal custody while awaiting prosecution for illegal border crossings, potentially violating a 1997 court settlement limiting the duration of child detentions.


WaPo

Of course, I doubt they meant to acknowledge Trump was right all along. They likely just copied and pasted most of this from an AP report without really proof-reading or editing much of it, like they usually do, since the media are awful. It will be interesting to see how they try to spin this from this point on. Will the Democrats file a lawsuit against Trump's illegal Executive Order, which will force him to revert to the prior policy of separating the children while the parents are prosecuted? The only other option is to just not prosecute them, which we all know is what the Democrats want. Open borders and no consequences for illegal immigration. Time will tell. In the meantime, the media and the Democrats have been exposed as liars, again. Congress needs to fix this, as Trump said. They've needed to fix it for decades.


srry yo wallotext is too much

care to dumb it down for me as i am a bit slow sometimes



posted on Jun, 21 2018 @ 11:26 AM
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a reply to: notsure1

Don't you find it a tad bit suspicious that everything is just working a little to well for Trump?

He's mid termnof his presidency, and all of a sudden he's saving children, shaking hands with Kim and starting a trade war.
Point the finger all you want, but I'm thinking there is some sort of fabrication here.
edit on 21-6-2018 by strongfp because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 21 2018 @ 11:26 AM
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originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: notsure1

I was critical of Obama's immigration policy as well. So much for your attempted whataboutism deflection.

What about you though?




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posted on Jun, 21 2018 @ 11:41 AM
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originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: face23785
***For those with short attention spans, just skip down to the excerpts for the short version.***

So during this whole manufactured crisis about immigrant children that most Democrats and media didn't care about up until a few weeks ago when they needed an issue to campaign/fundraise on for the midterms, one of the big sticking points was Trump's claim that Congress had to fix this problem because of a 1997 law (it was actually a court order, interpreting the law he's talking about) that required children to be separated from their parents. (The law doesn't specifically say you have to separate parents from their children. However, this is a red herring. Every possible consequence of being prosecuted doesn't have to be spelled out in the law. People are separated from their children when they're arrested, people lose their jobs, people lose their possessions; the law doesn't say all of these things can happen, but it's a natural consequence of being prosecuted. This point is just made to distract people who lack critical thinking skills. The court order stated you can't detain children longer than 20 days, and it takes more than 20 days to prosecute many of these people, so by default you have to separate the parents from their children while they're being prosecuted, so yes the law does require this even if it doesn't explicitly say so). This law and the subsequent court order is what led to Presidents Clinton, Bush and Obama all having done this evil, Nazi thing that President Trump is being blasted over today. The media and many Democrats have been claiming that Trump is lying, that he could fix it with an Executive Order.

Now, just a little background on how our laws and policies work. This is a point of big-time confusion for a lot of people because they're used to 8 years of Obama where he just pencil-whipped his way around laws with Executive Orders. That's actually not legal. The President can't just make any policy he wants with an Executive Order. Laws are written by Congress, and they're written in generalized language. Then the President makes policy, which is more specific, but the policies must still comply with the law. If they don't, they can be challenged in court.

(This is another reason why you know Trump was in the right in the first place, because the Democrats have been filing frivolous lawsuits against many of his policies as a matter of course, so if this policy of separating the children wasn't in compliance with the law, they would've sued to stop it. They didn't.)

So, Trump called their bluff. He signed an EO yesterday to keep the families together while the parents are being prosecuted. This Executive Order is actually illegal, and New York Times, Washington Post and a few other outlets accidentally reported that yesterday.


But ending the practice of separating families still faces legal and practical obstacles. A federal judge could refuse to give the Trump administration the authority it wants to hold families in custody for more than 20 days, which is the current limit because of a 1997 court order.


NY Times


The plan would keep families together in federal custody while awaiting prosecution for illegal border crossings, potentially violating a 1997 court settlement limiting the duration of child detentions.


WaPo

Of course, I doubt they meant to acknowledge Trump was right all along. They likely just copied and pasted most of this from an AP report without really proof-reading or editing much of it, like they usually do, since the media are awful. It will be interesting to see how they try to spin this from this point on. Will the Democrats file a lawsuit against Trump's illegal Executive Order, which will force him to revert to the prior policy of separating the children while the parents are prosecuted? The only other option is to just not prosecute them, which we all know is what the Democrats want. Open borders and no consequences for illegal immigration. Time will tell. In the meantime, the media and the Democrats have been exposed as liars, again. Congress needs to fix this, as Trump said. They've needed to fix it for decades.


srry yo wallotext is too much

care to dumb it down for me as i am a bit slow sometimes



It literally tells you how to do that in the first sentence.

Why are you even here if you can't be bothered to read one sentence?



posted on Jun, 21 2018 @ 11:41 AM
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originally posted by: notsure1
a reply to: face23785

He has been right about everything. The left has lost all credibility. Its like they just close their eyes and hold their breath like spoiled little brats.


What do you mean, "like spoiled little brats?"
edit on 21-6-2018 by SlapMonkey because: I was unclear with my meaning



posted on Jun, 21 2018 @ 11:47 AM
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originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: face23785
***For those with short attention spans, just skip down to the excerpts for the short version.***

So during this whole manufactured crisis about immigrant children that most Democrats and media didn't care about up until a few weeks ago when they needed an issue to campaign/fundraise on for the midterms, one of the big sticking points was Trump's claim that Congress had to fix this problem because of a 1997 law (it was actually a court order, interpreting the law he's talking about) that required children to be separated from their parents. (The law doesn't specifically say you have to separate parents from their children. However, this is a red herring. Every possible consequence of being prosecuted doesn't have to be spelled out in the law. People are separated from their children when they're arrested, people lose their jobs, people lose their possessions; the law doesn't say all of these things can happen, but it's a natural consequence of being prosecuted. This point is just made to distract people who lack critical thinking skills. The court order stated you can't detain children longer than 20 days, and it takes more than 20 days to prosecute many of these people, so by default you have to separate the parents from their children while they're being prosecuted, so yes the law does require this even if it doesn't explicitly say so). This law and the subsequent court order is what led to Presidents Clinton, Bush and Obama all having done this evil, Nazi thing that President Trump is being blasted over today. The media and many Democrats have been claiming that Trump is lying, that he could fix it with an Executive Order.

Now, just a little background on how our laws and policies work. This is a point of big-time confusion for a lot of people because they're used to 8 years of Obama where he just pencil-whipped his way around laws with Executive Orders. That's actually not legal. The President can't just make any policy he wants with an Executive Order. Laws are written by Congress, and they're written in generalized language. Then the President makes policy, which is more specific, but the policies must still comply with the law. If they don't, they can be challenged in court.

(This is another reason why you know Trump was in the right in the first place, because the Democrats have been filing frivolous lawsuits against many of his policies as a matter of course, so if this policy of separating the children wasn't in compliance with the law, they would've sued to stop it. They didn't.)

So, Trump called their bluff. He signed an EO yesterday to keep the families together while the parents are being prosecuted. This Executive Order is actually illegal, and New York Times, Washington Post and a few other outlets accidentally reported that yesterday.


But ending the practice of separating families still faces legal and practical obstacles. A federal judge could refuse to give the Trump administration the authority it wants to hold families in custody for more than 20 days, which is the current limit because of a 1997 court order.


NY Times


The plan would keep families together in federal custody while awaiting prosecution for illegal border crossings, potentially violating a 1997 court settlement limiting the duration of child detentions.


WaPo

Of course, I doubt they meant to acknowledge Trump was right all along. They likely just copied and pasted most of this from an AP report without really proof-reading or editing much of it, like they usually do, since the media are awful. It will be interesting to see how they try to spin this from this point on. Will the Democrats file a lawsuit against Trump's illegal Executive Order, which will force him to revert to the prior policy of separating the children while the parents are prosecuted? The only other option is to just not prosecute them, which we all know is what the Democrats want. Open borders and no consequences for illegal immigration. Time will tell. In the meantime, the media and the Democrats have been exposed as liars, again. Congress needs to fix this, as Trump said. They've needed to fix it for decades.


srry yo wallotext is too much

care to dumb it down for me as i am a bit slow sometimes



It literally tells you how to do that in the first sentence.

Why are you even here if you can't be bothered to read one sentence?


so you can't dumb it down?

i read it and do not get your main point

would you rather me get on my hands and knees and beg you to make sense?


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posted on Jun, 21 2018 @ 11:53 AM
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originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: face23785
***For those with short attention spans, just skip down to the excerpts for the short version.***

So during this whole manufactured crisis about immigrant children that most Democrats and media didn't care about up until a few weeks ago when they needed an issue to campaign/fundraise on for the midterms, one of the big sticking points was Trump's claim that Congress had to fix this problem because of a 1997 law (it was actually a court order, interpreting the law he's talking about) that required children to be separated from their parents. (The law doesn't specifically say you have to separate parents from their children. However, this is a red herring. Every possible consequence of being prosecuted doesn't have to be spelled out in the law. People are separated from their children when they're arrested, people lose their jobs, people lose their possessions; the law doesn't say all of these things can happen, but it's a natural consequence of being prosecuted. This point is just made to distract people who lack critical thinking skills. The court order stated you can't detain children longer than 20 days, and it takes more than 20 days to prosecute many of these people, so by default you have to separate the parents from their children while they're being prosecuted, so yes the law does require this even if it doesn't explicitly say so). This law and the subsequent court order is what led to Presidents Clinton, Bush and Obama all having done this evil, Nazi thing that President Trump is being blasted over today. The media and many Democrats have been claiming that Trump is lying, that he could fix it with an Executive Order.

Now, just a little background on how our laws and policies work. This is a point of big-time confusion for a lot of people because they're used to 8 years of Obama where he just pencil-whipped his way around laws with Executive Orders. That's actually not legal. The President can't just make any policy he wants with an Executive Order. Laws are written by Congress, and they're written in generalized language. Then the President makes policy, which is more specific, but the policies must still comply with the law. If they don't, they can be challenged in court.

(This is another reason why you know Trump was in the right in the first place, because the Democrats have been filing frivolous lawsuits against many of his policies as a matter of course, so if this policy of separating the children wasn't in compliance with the law, they would've sued to stop it. They didn't.)

So, Trump called their bluff. He signed an EO yesterday to keep the families together while the parents are being prosecuted. This Executive Order is actually illegal, and New York Times, Washington Post and a few other outlets accidentally reported that yesterday.


But ending the practice of separating families still faces legal and practical obstacles. A federal judge could refuse to give the Trump administration the authority it wants to hold families in custody for more than 20 days, which is the current limit because of a 1997 court order.


NY Times


The plan would keep families together in federal custody while awaiting prosecution for illegal border crossings, potentially violating a 1997 court settlement limiting the duration of child detentions.


WaPo

Of course, I doubt they meant to acknowledge Trump was right all along. They likely just copied and pasted most of this from an AP report without really proof-reading or editing much of it, like they usually do, since the media are awful. It will be interesting to see how they try to spin this from this point on. Will the Democrats file a lawsuit against Trump's illegal Executive Order, which will force him to revert to the prior policy of separating the children while the parents are prosecuted? The only other option is to just not prosecute them, which we all know is what the Democrats want. Open borders and no consequences for illegal immigration. Time will tell. In the meantime, the media and the Democrats have been exposed as liars, again. Congress needs to fix this, as Trump said. They've needed to fix it for decades.


srry yo wallotext is too much

care to dumb it down for me as i am a bit slow sometimes



It literally tells you how to do that in the first sentence.

Why are you even here if you can't be bothered to read one sentence?


so you can't dumb it down?

i read it and do not get your main point

would you rather me get on my hands and knees and beg you to make sense?


No. It's already written on like an 8th-grade level. Just go to another thread I guess. There's plenty of "Trump is bad!!!" threads you can participate in. I suspect you don't really want to understand the point I was making anyway.



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