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But ending the practice of separating families still faces legal and practical obstacles. A federal judge could refuse to give the Trump administration the authority it wants to hold families in custody for more than 20 days, which is the current limit because of a 1997 court order.
The plan would keep families together in federal custody while awaiting prosecution for illegal border crossings, potentially violating a 1997 court settlement limiting the duration of child detentions.
originally posted by: notsure1
a reply to: face23785
He has been right about everything. The left has lost all credibility. Its like they just close their eyes and hold their breath like spoiled little brats.
originally posted by: Lab4Us
originally posted by: notsure1
a reply to: face23785
He has been right about everything. The left has lost all credibility. Its like they just close their eyes and hold their breath like spoiled little brats.
You forgot to add ... and stick their fingers in their ears and utter la, la, la, la, la, la, la until they surface their next made up crisis.
originally posted by: Xcalibur254
Nobody denied that the Flores Settlement says children must be released in 20 days. What it does not say is that families must be separated. In fact, the whole point of it is to make sure children are with their family members.
originally posted by: notsure1
originally posted by: Lab4Us
originally posted by: notsure1
a reply to: face23785
He has been right about everything. The left has lost all credibility. Its like they just close their eyes and hold their breath like spoiled little brats.
You forgot to add ... and stick their fingers in their ears and utter la, la, la, la, la, la, la until they surface their next made up crisis.
I swear that is what it seems like. 2 year long cry baby temper tantrum.
originally posted by: Xcalibur254
Nobody denied that the Flores Settlement says children must be released in 20 days. What it does not say is that families must be separated. In fact, the whole point of it is to make sure children are with their family members.
The law doesn't specifically say you have to separate parents from their children. However, this is a red herring. Every possible consequence of being prosecuted doesn't have to be spelled out in the law. People are separated from their children when they're arrested, people lose their jobs, people lose their possessions; the law doesn't say all of these things can happen, but it's a natural consequence of being prosecuted. This point is just made to distract people who lack critical thinking skills. The court order stated you can't detain children longer than 20 days, and it takes more than 20 days to prosecute many of these people, so by default you have to separate the parents from their children while they're being prosecuted, so yes the law does require this even if it doesn't explicitly say so.
originally posted by: face23785
Time will tell. In the meantime, the media and the Democrats have been exposed as liars, again. Congress needs to fix this, as Trump said. They've needed to fix it for decades.
originally posted by: face23785
***For those with short attention spans, just skip down to the excerpts for the short version.***
So during this whole manufactured crisis about immigrant children that most Democrats and media didn't care about up until a few weeks ago when they needed an issue to campaign/fundraise on for the midterms, one of the big sticking points was Trump's claim that Congress had to fix this problem because of a 1997 law (it was actually a court order, interpreting the law he's talking about) that required children to be separated from their parents. (The law doesn't specifically say you have to separate parents from their children. However, this is a red herring. Every possible consequence of being prosecuted doesn't have to be spelled out in the law. People are separated from their children when they're arrested, people lose their jobs, people lose their possessions; the law doesn't say all of these things can happen, but it's a natural consequence of being prosecuted. This point is just made to distract people who lack critical thinking skills. The court order stated you can't detain children longer than 20 days, and it takes more than 20 days to prosecute many of these people, so by default you have to separate the parents from their children while they're being prosecuted, so yes the law does require this even if it doesn't explicitly say so). This law and the subsequent court order is what led to Presidents Clinton, Bush and Obama all having done this evil, Nazi thing that President Trump is being blasted over today. The media and many Democrats have been claiming that Trump is lying, that he could fix it with an Executive Order.
Now, just a little background on how our laws and policies work. This is a point of big-time confusion for a lot of people because they're used to 8 years of Obama where he just pencil-whipped his way around laws with Executive Orders. That's actually not legal. The President can't just make any policy he wants with an Executive Order. Laws are written by Congress, and they're written in generalized language. Then the President makes policy, which is more specific, but the policies must still comply with the law. If they don't, they can be challenged in court.
(This is another reason why you know Trump was in the right in the first place, because the Democrats have been filing frivolous lawsuits against many of his policies as a matter of course, so if this policy of separating the children wasn't in compliance with the law, they would've sued to stop it. They didn't.)
So, Trump called their bluff. He signed an EO yesterday to keep the families together while the parents are being prosecuted. This Executive Order is actually illegal, and New York Times, Washington Post and a few other outlets accidentally reported that yesterday.
But ending the practice of separating families still faces legal and practical obstacles. A federal judge could refuse to give the Trump administration the authority it wants to hold families in custody for more than 20 days, which is the current limit because of a 1997 court order.
NY Times
The plan would keep families together in federal custody while awaiting prosecution for illegal border crossings, potentially violating a 1997 court settlement limiting the duration of child detentions.
WaPo
Of course, I doubt they meant to acknowledge Trump was right all along. They likely just copied and pasted most of this from an AP report without really proof-reading or editing much of it, like they usually do, since the media are awful. It will be interesting to see how they try to spin this from this point on. Will the Democrats file a lawsuit against Trump's illegal Executive Order, which will force him to revert to the prior policy of separating the children while the parents are prosecuted? The only other option is to just not prosecute them, which we all know is what the Democrats want. Open borders and no consequences for illegal immigration. Time will tell. In the meantime, the media and the Democrats have been exposed as liars, again. Congress needs to fix this, as Trump said. They've needed to fix it for decades.
originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: notsure1
I was critical of Obama's immigration policy as well. So much for your attempted whataboutism deflection.
What about you though?
originally posted by: howtonhawky
originally posted by: face23785
***For those with short attention spans, just skip down to the excerpts for the short version.***
So during this whole manufactured crisis about immigrant children that most Democrats and media didn't care about up until a few weeks ago when they needed an issue to campaign/fundraise on for the midterms, one of the big sticking points was Trump's claim that Congress had to fix this problem because of a 1997 law (it was actually a court order, interpreting the law he's talking about) that required children to be separated from their parents. (The law doesn't specifically say you have to separate parents from their children. However, this is a red herring. Every possible consequence of being prosecuted doesn't have to be spelled out in the law. People are separated from their children when they're arrested, people lose their jobs, people lose their possessions; the law doesn't say all of these things can happen, but it's a natural consequence of being prosecuted. This point is just made to distract people who lack critical thinking skills. The court order stated you can't detain children longer than 20 days, and it takes more than 20 days to prosecute many of these people, so by default you have to separate the parents from their children while they're being prosecuted, so yes the law does require this even if it doesn't explicitly say so). This law and the subsequent court order is what led to Presidents Clinton, Bush and Obama all having done this evil, Nazi thing that President Trump is being blasted over today. The media and many Democrats have been claiming that Trump is lying, that he could fix it with an Executive Order.
Now, just a little background on how our laws and policies work. This is a point of big-time confusion for a lot of people because they're used to 8 years of Obama where he just pencil-whipped his way around laws with Executive Orders. That's actually not legal. The President can't just make any policy he wants with an Executive Order. Laws are written by Congress, and they're written in generalized language. Then the President makes policy, which is more specific, but the policies must still comply with the law. If they don't, they can be challenged in court.
(This is another reason why you know Trump was in the right in the first place, because the Democrats have been filing frivolous lawsuits against many of his policies as a matter of course, so if this policy of separating the children wasn't in compliance with the law, they would've sued to stop it. They didn't.)
So, Trump called their bluff. He signed an EO yesterday to keep the families together while the parents are being prosecuted. This Executive Order is actually illegal, and New York Times, Washington Post and a few other outlets accidentally reported that yesterday.
But ending the practice of separating families still faces legal and practical obstacles. A federal judge could refuse to give the Trump administration the authority it wants to hold families in custody for more than 20 days, which is the current limit because of a 1997 court order.
NY Times
The plan would keep families together in federal custody while awaiting prosecution for illegal border crossings, potentially violating a 1997 court settlement limiting the duration of child detentions.
WaPo
Of course, I doubt they meant to acknowledge Trump was right all along. They likely just copied and pasted most of this from an AP report without really proof-reading or editing much of it, like they usually do, since the media are awful. It will be interesting to see how they try to spin this from this point on. Will the Democrats file a lawsuit against Trump's illegal Executive Order, which will force him to revert to the prior policy of separating the children while the parents are prosecuted? The only other option is to just not prosecute them, which we all know is what the Democrats want. Open borders and no consequences for illegal immigration. Time will tell. In the meantime, the media and the Democrats have been exposed as liars, again. Congress needs to fix this, as Trump said. They've needed to fix it for decades.
srry yo wallotext is too much
care to dumb it down for me as i am a bit slow sometimes
originally posted by: notsure1
a reply to: face23785
He has been right about everything. The left has lost all credibility. Its like they just close their eyes and hold their breath like spoiled little brats.
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: howtonhawky
originally posted by: face23785
***For those with short attention spans, just skip down to the excerpts for the short version.***
So during this whole manufactured crisis about immigrant children that most Democrats and media didn't care about up until a few weeks ago when they needed an issue to campaign/fundraise on for the midterms, one of the big sticking points was Trump's claim that Congress had to fix this problem because of a 1997 law (it was actually a court order, interpreting the law he's talking about) that required children to be separated from their parents. (The law doesn't specifically say you have to separate parents from their children. However, this is a red herring. Every possible consequence of being prosecuted doesn't have to be spelled out in the law. People are separated from their children when they're arrested, people lose their jobs, people lose their possessions; the law doesn't say all of these things can happen, but it's a natural consequence of being prosecuted. This point is just made to distract people who lack critical thinking skills. The court order stated you can't detain children longer than 20 days, and it takes more than 20 days to prosecute many of these people, so by default you have to separate the parents from their children while they're being prosecuted, so yes the law does require this even if it doesn't explicitly say so). This law and the subsequent court order is what led to Presidents Clinton, Bush and Obama all having done this evil, Nazi thing that President Trump is being blasted over today. The media and many Democrats have been claiming that Trump is lying, that he could fix it with an Executive Order.
Now, just a little background on how our laws and policies work. This is a point of big-time confusion for a lot of people because they're used to 8 years of Obama where he just pencil-whipped his way around laws with Executive Orders. That's actually not legal. The President can't just make any policy he wants with an Executive Order. Laws are written by Congress, and they're written in generalized language. Then the President makes policy, which is more specific, but the policies must still comply with the law. If they don't, they can be challenged in court.
(This is another reason why you know Trump was in the right in the first place, because the Democrats have been filing frivolous lawsuits against many of his policies as a matter of course, so if this policy of separating the children wasn't in compliance with the law, they would've sued to stop it. They didn't.)
So, Trump called their bluff. He signed an EO yesterday to keep the families together while the parents are being prosecuted. This Executive Order is actually illegal, and New York Times, Washington Post and a few other outlets accidentally reported that yesterday.
But ending the practice of separating families still faces legal and practical obstacles. A federal judge could refuse to give the Trump administration the authority it wants to hold families in custody for more than 20 days, which is the current limit because of a 1997 court order.
NY Times
The plan would keep families together in federal custody while awaiting prosecution for illegal border crossings, potentially violating a 1997 court settlement limiting the duration of child detentions.
WaPo
Of course, I doubt they meant to acknowledge Trump was right all along. They likely just copied and pasted most of this from an AP report without really proof-reading or editing much of it, like they usually do, since the media are awful. It will be interesting to see how they try to spin this from this point on. Will the Democrats file a lawsuit against Trump's illegal Executive Order, which will force him to revert to the prior policy of separating the children while the parents are prosecuted? The only other option is to just not prosecute them, which we all know is what the Democrats want. Open borders and no consequences for illegal immigration. Time will tell. In the meantime, the media and the Democrats have been exposed as liars, again. Congress needs to fix this, as Trump said. They've needed to fix it for decades.
srry yo wallotext is too much
care to dumb it down for me as i am a bit slow sometimes
It literally tells you how to do that in the first sentence.
Why are you even here if you can't be bothered to read one sentence?
originally posted by: howtonhawky
originally posted by: face23785
originally posted by: howtonhawky
originally posted by: face23785
***For those with short attention spans, just skip down to the excerpts for the short version.***
So during this whole manufactured crisis about immigrant children that most Democrats and media didn't care about up until a few weeks ago when they needed an issue to campaign/fundraise on for the midterms, one of the big sticking points was Trump's claim that Congress had to fix this problem because of a 1997 law (it was actually a court order, interpreting the law he's talking about) that required children to be separated from their parents. (The law doesn't specifically say you have to separate parents from their children. However, this is a red herring. Every possible consequence of being prosecuted doesn't have to be spelled out in the law. People are separated from their children when they're arrested, people lose their jobs, people lose their possessions; the law doesn't say all of these things can happen, but it's a natural consequence of being prosecuted. This point is just made to distract people who lack critical thinking skills. The court order stated you can't detain children longer than 20 days, and it takes more than 20 days to prosecute many of these people, so by default you have to separate the parents from their children while they're being prosecuted, so yes the law does require this even if it doesn't explicitly say so). This law and the subsequent court order is what led to Presidents Clinton, Bush and Obama all having done this evil, Nazi thing that President Trump is being blasted over today. The media and many Democrats have been claiming that Trump is lying, that he could fix it with an Executive Order.
Now, just a little background on how our laws and policies work. This is a point of big-time confusion for a lot of people because they're used to 8 years of Obama where he just pencil-whipped his way around laws with Executive Orders. That's actually not legal. The President can't just make any policy he wants with an Executive Order. Laws are written by Congress, and they're written in generalized language. Then the President makes policy, which is more specific, but the policies must still comply with the law. If they don't, they can be challenged in court.
(This is another reason why you know Trump was in the right in the first place, because the Democrats have been filing frivolous lawsuits against many of his policies as a matter of course, so if this policy of separating the children wasn't in compliance with the law, they would've sued to stop it. They didn't.)
So, Trump called their bluff. He signed an EO yesterday to keep the families together while the parents are being prosecuted. This Executive Order is actually illegal, and New York Times, Washington Post and a few other outlets accidentally reported that yesterday.
But ending the practice of separating families still faces legal and practical obstacles. A federal judge could refuse to give the Trump administration the authority it wants to hold families in custody for more than 20 days, which is the current limit because of a 1997 court order.
NY Times
The plan would keep families together in federal custody while awaiting prosecution for illegal border crossings, potentially violating a 1997 court settlement limiting the duration of child detentions.
WaPo
Of course, I doubt they meant to acknowledge Trump was right all along. They likely just copied and pasted most of this from an AP report without really proof-reading or editing much of it, like they usually do, since the media are awful. It will be interesting to see how they try to spin this from this point on. Will the Democrats file a lawsuit against Trump's illegal Executive Order, which will force him to revert to the prior policy of separating the children while the parents are prosecuted? The only other option is to just not prosecute them, which we all know is what the Democrats want. Open borders and no consequences for illegal immigration. Time will tell. In the meantime, the media and the Democrats have been exposed as liars, again. Congress needs to fix this, as Trump said. They've needed to fix it for decades.
srry yo wallotext is too much
care to dumb it down for me as i am a bit slow sometimes
It literally tells you how to do that in the first sentence.
Why are you even here if you can't be bothered to read one sentence?
so you can't dumb it down?
i read it and do not get your main point
would you rather me get on my hands and knees and beg you to make sense?