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originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
a reply to: Gryphon66
Can't fault the guy for being concerned about a potentially rigged system at that time.
So ... the Electoral College was "rigged" when Obama won but a-ok when Trump won?
LOLOL.
Yeah, whatever.
They were crossing the river without a visa, in a non malicious way, and not with intent to enter illegally, but because they were unable to procure a visa from their home country. If someone's home country won't let them leave, is it still illegal to want to save one's own life and leave, or rather should they stay and die so they don't break any laws?
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
a reply to: Gryphon66
Me, confused or dishonest? My my, touched a nerve have I?
Oh, by the way... first we have to agree on the definition of open borders. I would say that any democrat that expresses a desire for a situation in which goods and people can enter and leave a country easily, or wishes for unlimited immigration, is for open borders. Now as to who supports it? Anyone that defunded the secure fences act or ignored the Jordan Commission. That would mean Democrats and Republicans equally.
LOL ... and there it is ... when you have nothing logical to back up your statements it's the old "touched a nerve" crap.
We're talking about immigration in this discussion. Wouldn't it make sense that you and your buddy were making your dishonest claim about open borders to immigration?
Besides that ... you're Waffling now? You were so sure that "The Left" all wanted open borders.
At least stand up for what you say.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: network dude
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
originally posted by: Kharron
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
a reply to: Kharron
I'm willing to bet most of it is a response to strangers telling other strangers they are racist Nazis that have no compassion without even knowing that person.
Well, I've watched people bet on terrible odds for years, so I wouldn't blame you.
However, it is important to understand that this website is an alt-right echo chamber and that these fringe views are not shared by nine out of ten people in the real world. That's why people come here to get stars and flags they could not get anywhere else. Yet. Luckily.
And yet not so long ago, this website was the Hope and Change platform, where anyone that disagreed with Obama was automatically a racist.
I don't think following the law is a fringe view, nor do I think these people
would agree with you.
Unfortunately thousands and thousands of acres of heartland doesn't count as people.....
Trump lost the popular vote.
And your side lost the election. It's over. Give it another shot in a couple years. (but if you really want to win, I'd find a likable candidate, not the wicked witch of the west)
Yep, there's that great respect for free speech ... "shut up, you guys lost. "
#firstamendment
explain how I tried to silence anyone free speech. That or an apology will be fine.
Already done. I'm sorry you are offended at being called out.
so you have nothing. typical.
LOL .. riiight. Keep saying it til you believe it.
I answered your question to one of your white knights above. You were quite clear that another poster should "get over it" ... because, in your rather simplistic example, your side won and their side lost.
Now, you can spin that all around that you want ...
originally posted by: MrRCflying
It makes me sick to see children separated from their parents. In all fairness, children should not be separated from their parents, unless they are convicted criminals. This makes the situation much more complicated. For the most part, keep them together, it will make it easier to deport them all at once. It makes me sick to see this is not being done.
It makes me sick to see people in a temporary detention center. It should be a processing center, in and out. No need to keep them there paying for food, laundry, beds, etc. on the American tax payers dollar. These are criminals by the very fact that they entered the country illegally. Process them, and send them back on their way, back across the border. American citizens should not be paying for days or weeks in these places.
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: Wayfarer
Yes. It is still illegal.
How is it our problem if they can't get a visa to come here legally? I submit that it isn't.
For me personally, I believe its the duty of human beings to help their fellows. I try and not get caught up on distinctions like race/class/nationality and look at it as if they were a member of my own family when passing judgement on the situation. Ergo, if someone told me my mother (a hypothetical Venezuelan woman) was under threat of death back home from the government or gangs or something, and was unable to obtain a visa for whatever reason, by reaction would be to tell her, 'Tough luck Mom, better finish that will quick'.
I am disheartened that so many of my fellow citizens share your sentiments however.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Wardaddy454
Quibble and waffle on your own.
Best.
originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: Gryphon66
Again, how is that our problem? This is Mexico's problem to address. Maybe a bit of work on the rampant, near out of control, corruption might help?
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Wardaddy454
Quibble and waffle on your own.
Best.
So I take it you can't show me where I specifically said the left is for open borders? Now who's waffling...
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: Wayfarer
Yes. It is still illegal.
How is it our problem if they can't get a visa to come here legally? I submit that it isn't.
For me personally, I believe its the duty of human beings to help their fellows. I try and not get caught up on distinctions like race/class/nationality and look at it as if they were a member of my own family when passing judgement on the situation. Ergo, if someone told me my mother (a hypothetical Venezuelan woman) was under threat of death back home from the government or gangs or something, and was unable to obtain a visa for whatever reason, by reaction would be to tell her, 'Tough luck Mom, better finish that will quick'.
I am disheartened that so many of my fellow citizens share your sentiments however.
... what exactly are we to do?
I've never said or implied that Mexico doesn't have massive problems. That's one of the reason that people try to escape, even though that number has fallen every year since 2001.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: Gryphon66
I've never said or implied that Mexico doesn't have massive problems. That's one of the reason that people try to escape, even though that number has fallen every year since 2001.
Most are not Mexican, but from places like Ecuador for instance. They still cross the Mexican border.