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originally posted by: Wardaddy454
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: MrRCflying
Don't believe any of it. They would use children to further their politics long before they care about actual children.
Note how those who are to blame are the ones maintaining the sovereignty of their country, and those who are caring for the children while their parents are punished for breaking federal laws. Meanwhile the people who risked the lives of their own children, who put them in this situation, are to face zero repercussions for doing so.
How many innocent immigrants actually seeking asylum for valid reasons do you think are an acceptable sacrifice in America's new stance on immigration/deportation (with the understanding that by denying them they we are sending them back to their deaths)? Is it worthwhile that we send 10 innocent immigrants back to hellhole's so that we catch the 1 who's trying to sneak into the USA for some nefarious purpose?
Should Mexico or South American countries remain perpetual hellholes?
Goodness no, but unfortunately many here on ATS (and a little under half the country) doesn't believe its the US's job to fix other places.
I, and many others I'm sure, would support the people rising up against the cartels and corruption.
I personally wouldn't be opposed to a hellfire missile somehow finding its way into the top floor of a cartel mansion. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
But what would you think the world's response would be in the US went into Mexico to help?
First, I'm heartened that you have the compassion/desire to help, but I think a lot more could be done to thwart the cartels without a hellfire than with one. What you're referencing is a mindset of making immigrant countries nicer places to live, so people won't want to leave (which is for the most part not a prerogative of this administration), and I actually agree that its the best solution. Do you not feel disenfranchised at least in this specific area that instead the US is withdrawing its support from these nations, effectively doing the opposite of what you've proposed?
No. It all has to start from within, when people have no other choice before them. Otherwise the US is just "interfering" again.
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
a reply to: Gryphon66
Then I suppose it would behoove the left to actually sit down and hash out some immigration reform and gain some dignity back.
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
a reply to: Gryphon66
Then I suppose it would behoove the left to actually sit down and hash out some immigration reform and gain some dignity back.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: DBCowboy
Who on "the left" has called for Open Borders, Cowboy?
You made the claim, now back it up.
Or don't ... because it's pretty obvious you weren't telling the truth.
originally posted by: DBCowboy
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: DBCowboy
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: carewemust
The left wants to "decriminalize" illegal entry into the country.
They want open borders.
I just wish more would be honest about it instead of hiding behind children.
Who on "the left" wants this?
I'm probably "on the left" from your perspective, and I don't want any of that.
So ... why don't you be honest about who wants what you're claiming?
So now I have to check with you first since you speak for everyone on the left before making a post.
I'm on the left as well and Gryphon's opinions are for the most part mirrored in my own and all my liberal associates and acquaintances as well.
So how long have you wanted open borders and have hated America?
originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Wayfarer
The funny thing is ... they can't think far enough into their own strategy on this ... if the Democrats are for open borders, why did they pass this horrible law that requires kids to be taken away from their parents?
Derp.
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: DBCowboy
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: DBCowboy
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: DBCowboy
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: carewemust
The left wants to "decriminalize" illegal entry into the country.
They want open borders.
I just wish more would be honest about it instead of hiding behind children.
Who on "the left" wants this?
I'm probably "on the left" from your perspective, and I don't want any of that.
So ... why don't you be honest about who wants what you're claiming?
So now I have to check with you first since you speak for everyone on the left before making a post.
I'm on the left as well and Gryphon's opinions are for the most part mirrored in my own and all my liberal associates and acquaintances as well.
So how long have you wanted open borders and have hated America?
About as long as you've been a stormfront member, boyo.
You said;
originally posted by: Wayfarer
I'll never tire of coming to ATS to find all the folks that gleefully endorse sequestering/imprisoning/harming children.
Its like a hyperbolic parody of evil.
If a law says 'zero tolerance, children must be imprisoned', is it better to follow the law, or follow your conscious?
Do any of y'all think GOD will reward you for following one over the other?
“The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.”
― Adolf Hitler
So have you been a Nazi long? Or is it a new thing with you?
Like I said man, only one of us is giddy with the thought of kids being sent to concentration camps, and it aint me. I'm sure your stormfront buddies could fill you in more.
originally posted by: DBCowboy
originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: DBCowboy
You are sooo proud of that Hitler quote, aren't you?
Is it strange that it's usually self-described right-wingers that quote Hitler repeatedly?
Hmmm.
but it actually accurately describes the leftists.
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Wayfarer
The funny thing is ... they can't think far enough into their own strategy on this ... if the Democrats are for open borders, why did they pass this horrible law that requires kids to be taken away from their parents?
Derp.
"Never let a good crisis go to waste".
So they can claim the GOP did it, and then appear benevolent while grandstanding on the soapbox
I think you're having trouble grasping what I'm asking, so I'll posit it another way:
Lets list the facts:
-Children are being forcibly removed from their parents while their immigration status is determined
-This is occurring whether they walk into the immigration office of their own volition or being brought in by ICE/customs
What you have intimated so far is that there is nothing wrong with separating families (even when they haven't committed a crime), since those that walked in and asked for Asylum probably aren't going to get it anyways, and therefore have entered illegally (by proxy) and deserve to have their children taken from them.
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: DBCowboy
originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: DBCowboy
You are sooo proud of that Hitler quote, aren't you?
Is it strange that it's usually self-described right-wingers that quote Hitler repeatedly?
Hmmm.
but it actually accurately describes the leftists.
I'm not sure how, "Yes, I, DBCowboy am I Nazi" accurately describes the left.....
originally posted by: DBCowboy
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: DBCowboy
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: DBCowboy
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: DBCowboy
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: carewemust
The left wants to "decriminalize" illegal entry into the country.
They want open borders.
I just wish more would be honest about it instead of hiding behind children.
Who on "the left" wants this?
I'm probably "on the left" from your perspective, and I don't want any of that.
So ... why don't you be honest about who wants what you're claiming?
So now I have to check with you first since you speak for everyone on the left before making a post.
I'm on the left as well and Gryphon's opinions are for the most part mirrored in my own and all my liberal associates and acquaintances as well.
So how long have you wanted open borders and have hated America?
About as long as you've been a stormfront member, boyo.
You said;
originally posted by: Wayfarer
I'll never tire of coming to ATS to find all the folks that gleefully endorse sequestering/imprisoning/harming children.
Its like a hyperbolic parody of evil.
If a law says 'zero tolerance, children must be imprisoned', is it better to follow the law, or follow your conscious?
Do any of y'all think GOD will reward you for following one over the other?
“The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation.”
― Adolf Hitler
So have you been a Nazi long? Or is it a new thing with you?
Like I said man, only one of us is giddy with the thought of kids being sent to concentration camps, and it aint me. I'm sure your stormfront buddies could fill you in more.
I'm not giddy.
You're the one who wants to destroy America.
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
a reply to: Gryphon66
We'll see once that democrat Paul Ryan is gone wont we