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originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: MrRCflying
Don't believe any of it. They would use children to further their politics long before they care about actual children.
Note how those who are to blame are the ones maintaining the sovereignty of their country, and those who are caring for the children while their parents are punished for breaking federal laws. Meanwhile the people who risked the lives of their own children, who put them in this situation, are to face zero repercussions for doing so.
How many innocent immigrants actually seeking asylum for valid reasons do you think are an acceptable sacrifice in America's new stance on immigration/deportation (with the understanding that by denying them they we are sending them back to their deaths)? Is it worthwhile that we send 10 innocent immigrants back to hellhole's so that we catch the 1 who's trying to sneak into the USA for some nefarious purpose?
Should Mexico or South American countries remain perpetual hellholes?
Goodness no, but unfortunately many here on ATS (and a little under half the country) doesn't believe its the US's job to fix other places.
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: MrRCflying
Don't believe any of it. They would use children to further their politics long before they care about actual children.
Note how those who are to blame are the ones maintaining the sovereignty of their country, and those who are caring for the children while their parents are punished for breaking federal laws. Meanwhile the people who risked the lives of their own children, who put them in this situation, are to face zero repercussions for doing so.
How many innocent immigrants actually seeking asylum for valid reasons do you think are an acceptable sacrifice in America's new stance on immigration/deportation (with the understanding that by denying them they we are sending them back to their deaths)? Is it worthwhile that we send 10 innocent immigrants back to hellhole's so that we catch the 1 who's trying to sneak into the USA for some nefarious purpose?
Should Mexico or South American countries remain perpetual hellholes?
Goodness no, but unfortunately many here on ATS (and a little under half the country) doesn't believe its the US's job to fix other places.
I, and many others I'm sure, would support the people rising up against the cartels and corruption.
I personally wouldn't be opposed to a hellfire missile somehow finding its way into the top floor of a cartel mansion. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
But what would you think the world's response would be in the US went into Mexico to help?
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
a reply to: iwanttobelieve70
It really is like DACA all over again. The left sorta petered out on that after the news cycle ran its course.
originally posted by: carewemust
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
a reply to: iwanttobelieve70
It really is like DACA all over again. The left sorta petered out on that after the news cycle ran its course.
Democrats are making crazy demands again. Shooting themselves in the foot at every turn. They want families reunited, but they also want them to stay here and start using government benefits and voting for Democrats. Dumb x 1000.
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: carewemust
The left wants to "decriminalize" illegal entry into the country.
They want open borders.
I just wish more would be honest about it instead of hiding behind children.
originally posted by: carewemust
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
a reply to: iwanttobelieve70
It really is like DACA all over again. The left sorta petered out on that after the news cycle ran its course.
Democrats are making crazy demands again. Shooting themselves in the foot at every turn. They want families reunited, but they also want them to stay here and start using government benefits and voting for Democrats. Dumb x 1000.
In April, U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions ordered prosecutors along the border to "adopt immediately a zero-tolerance policy" for illegal border crossings. That included prosecuting parents traveling with their children as well as people who subsequently attempted to request asylum.
White House officials have repeatedly acknowledged that under that new policy, they separate all families who cross the border. Sessions has described it as deterrence.
The policy is unique to the Trump administration. Previous administrations did not, as a general principle, separate all families crossing the U.S. border illegally. And the current administration could choose to end this practice and release families together from detention at any time.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: carewemust
The left wants to "decriminalize" illegal entry into the country.
They want open borders.
I just wish more would be honest about it instead of hiding behind children.
Who on "the left" wants this?
I'm probably "on the left" from your perspective, and I don't want any of that.
So ... why don't you be honest about who wants what you're claiming?
originally posted by: DBCowboy
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: carewemust
The left wants to "decriminalize" illegal entry into the country.
They want open borders.
I just wish more would be honest about it instead of hiding behind children.
Who on "the left" wants this?
I'm probably "on the left" from your perspective, and I don't want any of that.
So ... why don't you be honest about who wants what you're claiming?
So now I have to check with you first since you speak for everyone on the left before making a post.
originally posted by: DBCowboy
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: carewemust
The left wants to "decriminalize" illegal entry into the country.
They want open borders.
I just wish more would be honest about it instead of hiding behind children.
Who on "the left" wants this?
I'm probably "on the left" from your perspective, and I don't want any of that.
So ... why don't you be honest about who wants what you're claiming?
So now I have to check with you first since you speak for everyone on the left before making a post.
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
a reply to: Kharron
I'm willing to bet most of it is a response to strangers telling other strangers they are racist Nazis that have no compassion without even knowing that person.
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: DBCowboy
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: carewemust
The left wants to "decriminalize" illegal entry into the country.
They want open borders.
I just wish more would be honest about it instead of hiding behind children.
Who on "the left" wants this?
I'm probably "on the left" from your perspective, and I don't want any of that.
So ... why don't you be honest about who wants what you're claiming?
So now I have to check with you first since you speak for everyone on the left before making a post.
Nope, not at all.
But you don't speak for everyone on the left either, do you?
So tell us, who are you talking about? Specifically.
Or, admit you're just posting political nonsense.
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: DBCowboy
originally posted by: Gryphon66
originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: carewemust
The left wants to "decriminalize" illegal entry into the country.
They want open borders.
I just wish more would be honest about it instead of hiding behind children.
Who on "the left" wants this?
I'm probably "on the left" from your perspective, and I don't want any of that.
So ... why don't you be honest about who wants what you're claiming?
So now I have to check with you first since you speak for everyone on the left before making a post.
I'm on the left as well and Gryphon's opinions are for the most part mirrored in my own and all my liberal associates and acquaintances as well.
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: Wardaddy454
originally posted by: Wayfarer
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: MrRCflying
Don't believe any of it. They would use children to further their politics long before they care about actual children.
Note how those who are to blame are the ones maintaining the sovereignty of their country, and those who are caring for the children while their parents are punished for breaking federal laws. Meanwhile the people who risked the lives of their own children, who put them in this situation, are to face zero repercussions for doing so.
How many innocent immigrants actually seeking asylum for valid reasons do you think are an acceptable sacrifice in America's new stance on immigration/deportation (with the understanding that by denying them they we are sending them back to their deaths)? Is it worthwhile that we send 10 innocent immigrants back to hellhole's so that we catch the 1 who's trying to sneak into the USA for some nefarious purpose?
Should Mexico or South American countries remain perpetual hellholes?
Goodness no, but unfortunately many here on ATS (and a little under half the country) doesn't believe its the US's job to fix other places.
I, and many others I'm sure, would support the people rising up against the cartels and corruption.
I personally wouldn't be opposed to a hellfire missile somehow finding its way into the top floor of a cartel mansion. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
But what would you think the world's response would be in the US went into Mexico to help?
First, I'm heartened that you have the compassion/desire to help, but I think a lot more could be done to thwart the cartels without a hellfire than with one. What you're referencing is a mindset of making immigrant countries nicer places to live, so people won't want to leave (which is for the most part not a prerogative of this administration), and I actually agree that its the best solution. Do you not feel disenfranchised at least in this specific area that instead the US is withdrawing its support from these nations, effectively doing the opposite of what you've proposed?