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Help me find the actual legislation and or policy related to immigrant children

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posted on Jun, 19 2018 @ 01:37 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults

Crossing the border illegally is a misdemeanor.

8 US CODE 1325



Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.


The law doesn't require imprisonment.




posted on Jun, 19 2018 @ 01:55 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

No, but even traffic violations can have you taken into custody if there isn't any faith you will show up for court. Its why they take them into custody now.

For an example of this at work in the US, try speeding on the interstate going through Pecos, TX after hours. If you get pulled over, you have to sit in jail until the judge shows up for work to adjudicate the ticket. Tickets aren't even misdemeanors. They are "infractions".



posted on Jun, 19 2018 @ 01:58 PM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Gryphon66

No, but even traffic violations can have you taken into custody if there isn't any faith you will show up for court. Its why they take them into custody now.

For an example of this at work in the US, try speeding on the interstate going through Pecos, TX after hours. If you get pulled over, you have to sit in jail until the judge shows up for work to adjudicate the ticket. Tickets aren't even misdemeanors. They are "infractions".


Until Trump, custody meant sending the parents and children to the same detention center.



posted on Jun, 19 2018 @ 02:16 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

Which means the past admins were by-passing laws that some didn't like.

😃⚖😎



posted on Jun, 19 2018 @ 02:19 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Gryphon66

Which means the past admins were by-passing laws that some didn't like.

😃⚖😎


Nope.

The law does not require mandatory/zero-tolerance sentencing.

8 US 1325



(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.



posted on Jun, 19 2018 @ 03:18 PM
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a reply to: howtonhawky

They are following the law. The illegal immigrants aren't, like you, I want them to.



posted on Jun, 19 2018 @ 03:19 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66

kick them out on their ass BY BY

NOT MY PROBLEM

follow our laws no excuses don't care



posted on Jun, 19 2018 @ 03:20 PM
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originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: howtonhawky

They are following the law. The illegal immigrants aren't, like you, I want them to.


The law does not require mandatory sentencing or zero tolerance.

The illegals could go to the same detention centers they've been going to for years WITH their children.



posted on Jun, 19 2018 @ 03:21 PM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Gryphon66

kick them out on their ass BY BY

NOT MY PROBLEM

follow our laws no excuses don't care


Yeah, tough guy/gal ...

Our laws don't require kids to be taken away from their families. That's the Trump Administration.

Please educate yourself.



posted on Jun, 19 2018 @ 03:22 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults

our law tells them to cross the border and seek asylum

now the new policy change says they are criminals if they seek asylum

perhaps we should address that cause it is the reason they do what they do



posted on Jun, 19 2018 @ 03:59 PM
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originally posted by: howtonhawky
a reply to: toysforadults

our law tells them to cross the border and seek asylum

now the new policy change says they are criminals if they seek asylum

perhaps we should address that cause it is the reason they do what they do



YES!

Well done!



posted on Jun, 19 2018 @ 04:11 PM
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our law tells them to cross the border and seek asylum

now the new policy change says they are criminals if they seek asylum

perhaps we should address that cause it is the reason they do what they do


That's false. The policy change asks for people to enforce a law (Zero-Tolerance for Offenses Under 8 U.S.C. § 1325(a)) that's been around for decades, meaning, you cannot illegally enter the country. It doesn't apply to people who attempt to seek asylum legally, through official points of entery.
edit on 19-6-2018 by LesMisanthrope because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 19 2018 @ 04:20 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

The law has been around for decades.

How long has the so called zero tolerance policy been in place.

Does 8 USC 1325 require imprisonment?



posted on Jun, 19 2018 @ 04:21 PM
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Children suffering from this event is nothing more than an argument from an ATS perspective.



posted on Jun, 19 2018 @ 04:23 PM
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a reply to: Gryphon66




The law has been around for decades.

How long has the so called zero tolerance policy been in place.

Does 8 USC 1325 require imprisonment?


Fine or imprisonment.



posted on Jun, 19 2018 @ 04:29 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: howtonhawky




our law tells them to cross the border and seek asylum

now the new policy change says they are criminals if they seek asylum

perhaps we should address that cause it is the reason they do what they do


That's false. The policy change asks for people to enforce a law (Zero-Tolerance for Offenses Under 8 U.S.C. § 1325(a)) that's been around for decades, meaning, you cannot illegally enter the country. It doesn't apply to people who attempt to seek asylum legally, through official points of entery.


i see what you are saying but reports are that at legal entry points the officers can and will determine on the spot if your claim is legit and turn you immediately away.


not false at all

in order to be received at a port you have to have a visa also

so no you are not correct completely either

so many little caveats that push people into bad situations in order to remain alive.

Going to a port of entry is not a solution to a system that forces someone to be picked up by border patrol in order to make their claim.
edit on 19-6-2018 by howtonhawky because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 19 2018 @ 04:29 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Indeed.



posted on Jun, 19 2018 @ 04:32 PM
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originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: howtonhawky




our law tells them to cross the border and seek asylum

now the new policy change says they are criminals if they seek asylum

perhaps we should address that cause it is the reason they do what they do


That's false. The policy change asks for people to enforce a law (Zero-Tolerance for Offenses Under 8 U.S.C. § 1325(a)) that's been around for decades, meaning, you cannot illegally enter the country. It doesn't apply to people who attempt to seek asylum legally, through official points of entery.


i see what you are saying but reports are that at legal entry points the officers can and will determine on the spot if your claim is legit and turn you immediately away.



Is your statement:

"now the new policy change says they are criminals if they seek asylum "

true or false?



posted on Jun, 19 2018 @ 04:33 PM
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a reply to: howtonhawky

In zero tolerance, no one gets a chance to apply for asylum.



posted on Jun, 19 2018 @ 04:36 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: howtonhawky




our law tells them to cross the border and seek asylum

now the new policy change says they are criminals if they seek asylum

perhaps we should address that cause it is the reason they do what they do


That's false. The policy change asks for people to enforce a law (Zero-Tolerance for Offenses Under 8 U.S.C. § 1325(a)) that's been around for decades, meaning, you cannot illegally enter the country. It doesn't apply to people who attempt to seek asylum legally, through official points of entery.


i see what you are saying but reports are that at legal entry points the officers can and will determine on the spot if your claim is legit and turn you immediately away.



Is your statement:

"now the new policy change says they are criminals if they seek asylum "

true or false?


i will say it again because it is reality

the new policy makes them criminals where 3 or 4 weeks ago the policy was for them to be picked up by border patrol and make the claim without being considered to have committed a crime

remember not too long ago when they started crossing then seeking out agents to surrender to?




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