Originally posted by riley
Originally posted by ben91069
Oh, disregard the other comments from the others.
Why? It's a forum. It would be a pretty pointless place if everyone agreed.
The end of the world isn't supposed to be our non-existence. The bible talks of a new heaven and a new earth, where earth is like heaven. I
consider that much better than a world of duality that we now live in. I don't think we are responsible for our own enlightenment.
I am responsible for my own future actions.. every mistake I make gives me a more enlightened perspective.. every lesson learned makes one wiser and
decisions change accordingly.
And if we were not responsible for our actions.. why was christ sent to teach us how to become responsible for them? And how to we have free
will if we are not responsible for it?
Well, I understand where you are coming from, and good for you for learning from mistakes, but the whole free-will issue will probably never be solved
in our lifetimes. Many say we have it - others don't. I have seen quite a few scriptures which talks of God intervening in peoples thoughts to
make them act a certain way; like God hardening Pharoah's heart in the book of Exodus. From this, I have to think that we have a limited illusory
form of free-will that really originates from a higher power no matter how much we think we are doing something. The learning process doesn't really
require making mistakes. You can contemplate, philosophize, and ponder things without taking any action and decide a better path.
I didn't read very much of Jesus talking a lot of being responsible for actions other than believing in him. Other than this, he talked a lot about
the Kingdom of Heaven and the nature of love, thus God. Many of his statements regarding personal responsibility avoided solutions that we would
have, like the man who wanted to bury his father, the woman who was being pressed to help (her sisters?) but wanted to listen to Jesus, the disciples
picking food from the field on a Sabbath, or even the woman about to be stoned.
I think it is some kind of divine intervention by all means if we become spiritual. Thousands of years have shown that we still do not learn
from history how to solve the problems that plague the planet.
'Witches' no longer get burned, there is no lawful segregation seperating races, women have the vote, slavery is no longer sanctioned by law [and is
considered immoral when 200 years ago it wasn't], there has not been another 'hitler' [thus far].. I think we have come a long way in trying to
solve problems.. obviously many still exist but these things take time.. I admit there is still a BIG possibility that we might still destroy
ourselves- either blowing ourselves up or making our planet too inhospitable but I still have 'faith' in humanity none the less.
Everything you said is true, but in many cases it has just taken a different form and the hearts of people are still the same. Witches no longer get
burned, but adulterers still get stoned in like extremist religious sects. What happened in Salem and also in the Inquisition still occur today. The
government took out Waco more for their religious stance than other things. They found it discomforting to know that an apocalyptic cult had a large
cache of legally owned weapons. Segregation is gone, but this does not solve racism in peoples minds. I am sure there are many 'Hitlers' who just
do not happen to control a country. I am the opposite, I don't feel humanity will ever solve anything. All of our solutions have only created more
problems. The only way you may not be able to see this is if you live in an isolated environment. In the US, we very much are isolated from the
problems we create, but it can still be seen if you look for it.
The things that matter regarding humanity are still of minor importance in the scheme of things,
The scheme of things? What do you think matters to humanity and why are they minor concerns?
I think the main thing that matters to humanity right now (at least the US is concerned) is global domination of resources and more wealth to the
western nations. This is probably the geopolitical agenda so that people in the United States can have a strong economy and spend money on trinkets
of junk and entertain themselves highly at the expense of the rest of the world. 2nd world countries are trying to be like us, but may be more
humanitarian. 3rd world citizens are probably the ones more interested in solving starvation, disease, hunger, and inequality.
Although some people here try to come up with things that could help society, more often than not, it is convoluted by someone who sees it less for
its benefit and more for $$, thus taking away its true nature. A cure for cancer, for example, would be wonderful, but I am sure that drug companies
would rather keep it the status quo so that they retain profits indefinitely.