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Notice its all about the Child Camps NOW in effect since b4 2014 btw and NOT the IG report?? Hmmmm

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posted on Jun, 20 2018 @ 12:40 PM
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Hillary "Just because your child manages to get across the border that doesn't mean your child gets to stay"


And with good reason, doing otherwise would be incentivizing such, which would increase the illegal flux of children and unacompanied children across a dangerous long journey. Which will result in rapes and deaths of many as a result.




posted on Jun, 20 2018 @ 12:53 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Not if you do it at a legal port of entry like you are supposed to. If are sneaking through the desert, you have a strange way of seeking asylum.



posted on Jun, 20 2018 @ 06:31 PM
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posted on Jun, 20 2018 @ 09:33 PM
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originally posted by: anniejose
i have been irked to max capacity.
most of you are doused in such ignorance, i cant even express my anger and how ashamed i am into words
why do each of you have such ignorance? thats because of the fear donald drumpf implements on this population. how do you think hitler gained that kind of power to be able to pull off his insane psychopathic extremities of mass murdering? inciting fear. the way you all think this is all okay means that youve fallen into what this immensely corrupted president wants, which is to take away the human stature of all these immigrants and instead view them as so called “pests who have potential to infest this country.” it seems drumpf’s biggest leading argument is that of “all immigrants are part of MS 13” but he literally refuses to think of the possibility MAYBE why all these people are trying to flee with their families, to escape from all of these gangs (especially not to mention their own government corruption!). its just absurd that this dongheaded person in power believes it is the most right to group all these people (P E O P L E!!!) migrating to try to flee their country as mexican gang members. are you starting to see how much he is belittling these people so you and his white supporters can view them as inhumane? but goodness forbid democrats see them as they literally are, human!
you have to think about how much of all of this is risen by racism. just think about that for a minute. that will show you how wrong this is. that is so to say that you people can see the wrong in racism in the first place.
say what you want. but not in ANY sense this unmorality can be justified.


Asylum laws in the U.S can be changed so that it can be sought from embassies and outside the U.S.

We should not incentivize people to bring children across a desert where they die or are raped.

We cannot HAVE OPEN BORDERS. Yes there are hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of people in need outside the U.S. Again even with asylum, there has to be a cap on the numbers per year. Too high a number, and you create ghettos and bring hell over here.

The U.S is not a charity. And even if it were, there is a limit to how many people it can help. WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT. We cannot have unlimited number of migrants coming here. They may be good people, but just look into the arguments on why you can't have a welfare state and open borders.

A global economic collapse is on the horizon, or so the rumor goes. If half of central america becomes venezuela, we cannot take them all in. There are limits, REAL limits. Attempting to go against the physical limits is no different than jumping off a building in terms of consequences.



posted on Jun, 21 2018 @ 01:12 AM
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So the President signs an EO to keep families together in detention whilst they are processed for the crime the parents committed.
Everyone happy now?
Oh no, now leftists have moved on to cries to release these illegal aliens into the US... Just let them in.... open borders.
What a surprise.

Never give a leftist anything. They are completely dishonest and dreadful people.
edit on 21/6/2018 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 21 2018 @ 01:49 AM
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originally posted by: The GUT
This virtue signaling will pass too. As soon as CNN stops the propaganda and switches to something else so will all the faux care and concern for the children. It's like Swiss clockworks and happens every time.

Hopefully the minions of satan will get a chance to catch their hypocritical breath between the switch to whatever new and popular faux outrage comes next.


I wonder if they will ever stop...beyond robotic at this point.

One thing is clear..the chaos they exude in originally well meaning thoughts...have lead to there movements being more full of fear than most religions ever could attain.

i believe they are part of a test to see what we will do when confronted directly by their masters.

This test is fail on most fronts...and their masters hide and cower knowing the true eradication that awaits them.

It will never turn out as they expect...despite the scripts being ordered on all.

Democrats and leftists all...have become a serious issue.....to themselves, they only use negativity as a weapon...have no love but run on fear and paranoia in all matters, whether they know it or not.



posted on Jun, 21 2018 @ 02:02 AM
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I just realised that the new EO requires agreement from a liberal judge. Haha. Genius.
The judge will either agree to overrule the Flores ruling and this make it legal to hold children in custody for more than 20 days OR strike down the EO... meaning the separations will have to continue.
Brilliant.
Trump either wins by solving the issue of catch and release... no longer a problem as families can be held indefinitely OR a liberal judge forces him back to separations and he is proven correct about the EO and Congress takes the great.
😂



posted on Jun, 21 2018 @ 02:14 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: TonyS

I can't say I have an answer to the problems plaguing the countries below our southern border, but you can't succeed if you don't try. IMO, ending the war on drugs would go a LONG way to cutting out a lot of the power those cartels have access to.


Well get on it then, i can guarantee your corporate masters will distract you from that as they always do...better to have hate than to actually confront the real masters.

This is probably why the left is so frenetic...deep down the vagus nerve is in high stress over the fact they know their leaders are even worse than the ones they lash out at so much now.

They cannot understand we need them to calm the F down and turn to a different direction...because they CAN'T.

Sad, real sad.



posted on Jun, 21 2018 @ 02:27 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth
I just realised that the new EO requires agreement from a liberal judge. Haha. Genius.
The judge will either agree to overrule the Flores ruling and this make it legal to hold children in custody for more than 20 days OR strike down the EO... meaning the separations will have to continue.
Brilliant.
Trump either wins by solving the issue of catch and release... no longer a problem as families can be held indefinitely OR a liberal judge forces him back to separations and he is proven correct about the EO and Congress takes the great.
😂


4D chess



posted on Jun, 21 2018 @ 02:36 AM
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originally posted by: Xenogears

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: howtonhawky

When a parent is arrested illegally crossing the border their children become unaccompanied minors while the parents are in the legal system. Again it goes back to Flores vs. Reno for the requirements.


originally posted by: howtonhawky


that is some sneaky #

lol if all else fails create your own standards


Interesting then how can it be 90% are unaccompanied minors and not 100%? The administration official during the press release clearly stated these were lone minors found with strangers and not their parents. So such a claim would be that the official is lying.




Because the minors with parents who are arrested are no different than a US citizen driving a car with his 2 kids in the back seat, age 5 and 11, who gets stopped for speeding. The driver is checked and has warrants. The parent is arrested and the child are in the temporary custody of the arresting officer. They remain there until juvenile officer / department of family services (different names for each state) arrives to take custody of the minors. They remain in their custody until the other parent can be notified to come get them or a family member is around they can be lawfully released to. If that is not present then they remain in the states custody until such time as a suitable place is located to take the minors in temporarily or until family / guardian that is acceptable can come pick the minors up.

Minors, regardless of citizenship, inside the US can not legally make their own decisions and authorities cannot legally just release them to fend for themselves. Because the state is responsible for their well being they will not be just released to anyone. The people taking custody (and everyone residing in the home) go through a background check / criminal history is run for emergency placement and if they are clear we go from there.

If no suitable family member or host can be found they remain in the states custody until such time they can be placed correctly and safely with someone.

It is no different for illegal minors. If an illegal minor parents are arrested the same process holds as if they were a US minor. The only difference is federal law is used instead of the state law.

Of the 12k minors in custody around 10k are unaccompanied, meaning they crossed illegally with no parent or legal guardian of age with them or they were accompanied by an adult who is of no familial relation. The remaining are minors with parents whose parents were arrested for illegally entering. Same standard applies.
edit on 21-6-2018 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 21 2018 @ 02:48 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: Xenogears

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: howtonhawky

When a parent is arrested illegally crossing the border their children become unaccompanied minors while the parents are in the legal system. Again it goes back to Flores vs. Reno for the requirements.


originally posted by: howtonhawky


that is some sneaky #

lol if all else fails create your own standards


Interesting then how can it be 90% are unaccompanied minors and not 100%? The administration official during the press release clearly stated these were lone minors found with strangers and not their parents. So such a claim would be that the official is lying.




Because the minors with parents who are arrested are no different than a US citizen driving a car with his 2 kids in the back seat, age 5 and 11, who gets stopped for speeding. The driver is checked and has warrants. The parent is arrested and the child are in the temporary custody of the arresting officer. They remain there until juvenile officer / department of family services (different names for each state) arrives to take custody of the minors. They remain in their custody until the other parent can be notified to come get them or a family member is around they can be lawfully released to. If that is not present then they remain in the states custody until such time as a suitable place is located to take the minors in temporarily or until family / guardian that is acceptable can come pick the minors up.

Minors, regardless of citizenship, inside the US can not legally make their own decisions and authorities cannot legally just release them to fend for themselves. Because the state is responsible for their well being they will not be just released to anyone. The people taking custody (and everyone residing in the home) go through a background check / criminal history is run for emergency placement and if they are clear we go from there.

If no suitable family member or host can be found they remain in the states custody until such time they can be placed correctly and safely with someone.

It is no different for illegal minors. If an illegal minor parents are arrested the same process holds as if they were a US minor. The only difference is federal law is used instead of the state law.


Thankfully the administration official clarified and indicated that there is actually 90% who are not accompanied by family when detained.



posted on Jun, 21 2018 @ 02:56 AM
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originally posted by: Xenogears

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: Xenogears

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: howtonhawky

When a parent is arrested illegally crossing the border their children become unaccompanied minors while the parents are in the legal system. Again it goes back to Flores vs. Reno for the requirements.


originally posted by: howtonhawky


that is some sneaky #

lol if all else fails create your own standards


Interesting then how can it be 90% are unaccompanied minors and not 100%? The administration official during the press release clearly stated these were lone minors found with strangers and not their parents. So such a claim would be that the official is lying.




Because the minors with parents who are arrested are no different than a US citizen driving a car with his 2 kids in the back seat, age 5 and 11, who gets stopped for speeding. The driver is checked and has warrants. The parent is arrested and the child are in the temporary custody of the arresting officer. They remain there until juvenile officer / department of family services (different names for each state) arrives to take custody of the minors. They remain in their custody until the other parent can be notified to come get them or a family member is around they can be lawfully released to. If that is not present then they remain in the states custody until such time as a suitable place is located to take the minors in temporarily or until family / guardian that is acceptable can come pick the minors up.

Minors, regardless of citizenship, inside the US can not legally make their own decisions and authorities cannot legally just release them to fend for themselves. Because the state is responsible for their well being they will not be just released to anyone. The people taking custody (and everyone residing in the home) go through a background check / criminal history is run for emergency placement and if they are clear we go from there.

If no suitable family member or host can be found they remain in the states custody until such time they can be placed correctly and safely with someone.

It is no different for illegal minors. If an illegal minor parents are arrested the same process holds as if they were a US minor. The only difference is federal law is used instead of the state law.


Thankfully the administration official clarified and indicated that there is actually 90% who are not accompanied by family when detained.


Yup and the executive order Trump signed allowing family detention is already being challenged and will be struck down, just as Obama's was.

This is what Democrats are doing -

By lying to the American people over illegal minors they created a false backlash by people who are to ignorant to think on their own. That created pressure on Trump. Democrats want him to sign this EO because they know its illegal. It violates Flores vs Reno, Flores vs. Meese and the 2015 ruling by the judge who already struck down family detention centers under obama as unlawful.

He will put children back with their parents at which point the left will argue in court that what trump is doing is illegal. The court will agree and order the administration to remedy the situation that complies with flores. Trump will start to separate minors from parents again and Democrats wil argue in court it is cruel to remove the minors a second time. They will demand the minors be released.

Trump admin will object because releasing minors alone also violates Flores. The left will then argue the parents should be released with their minors inside the US and given a court date the family wont show up to, thereby continuing their open border bull# and in this case they will have conned a court to do their dirty work for them.

Why do you think Schumer told Democrats not to reach any compromise or support and immigration bill? He wants this issue for the midterms, again demonstrating they want the political issue and dont give a # about the minors they are exploiting.



posted on Jun, 21 2018 @ 10:27 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: Xenogears

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: Xenogears

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: howtonhawky

When a parent is arrested illegally crossing the border their children become unaccompanied minors while the parents are in the legal system. Again it goes back to Flores vs. Reno for the requirements.


originally posted by: howtonhawky


that is some sneaky #

lol if all else fails create your own standards


Interesting then how can it be 90% are unaccompanied minors and not 100%? The administration official during the press release clearly stated these were lone minors found with strangers and not their parents. So such a claim would be that the official is lying.




Because the minors with parents who are arrested are no different than a US citizen driving a car with his 2 kids in the back seat, age 5 and 11, who gets stopped for speeding. The driver is checked and has warrants. The parent is arrested and the child are in the temporary custody of the arresting officer. They remain there until juvenile officer / department of family services (different names for each state) arrives to take custody of the minors. They remain in their custody until the other parent can be notified to come get them or a family member is around they can be lawfully released to. If that is not present then they remain in the states custody until such time as a suitable place is located to take the minors in temporarily or until family / guardian that is acceptable can come pick the minors up.

Minors, regardless of citizenship, inside the US can not legally make their own decisions and authorities cannot legally just release them to fend for themselves. Because the state is responsible for their well being they will not be just released to anyone. The people taking custody (and everyone residing in the home) go through a background check / criminal history is run for emergency placement and if they are clear we go from there.

If no suitable family member or host can be found they remain in the states custody until such time they can be placed correctly and safely with someone.

It is no different for illegal minors. If an illegal minor parents are arrested the same process holds as if they were a US minor. The only difference is federal law is used instead of the state law.


Thankfully the administration official clarified and indicated that there is actually 90% who are not accompanied by family when detained.


Yup and the executive order Trump signed allowing family detention is already being challenged and will be struck down, just as Obama's was.

This is what Democrats are doing -

By lying to the American people over illegal minors they created a false backlash by people who are to ignorant to think on their own. That created pressure on Trump. Democrats want him to sign this EO because they know its illegal. It violates Flores vs Reno, Flores vs. Meese and the 2015 ruling by the judge who already struck down family detention centers under obama as unlawful.

He will put children back with their parents at which point the left will argue in court that what trump is doing is illegal. The court will agree and order the administration to remedy the situation that complies with flores. Trump will start to separate minors from parents again and Democrats wil argue in court it is cruel to remove the minors a second time. They will demand the minors be released.

Trump admin will object because releasing minors alone also violates Flores. The left will then argue the parents should be released with their minors inside the US and given a court date the family wont show up to, thereby continuing their open border bull# and in this case they will have conned a court to do their dirty work for them.

Why do you think Schumer told Democrats not to reach any compromise or support and immigration bill? He wants this issue for the midterms, again demonstrating they want the political issue and dont give a # about the minors they are exploiting.


That won't play out for them like that, given that Trump won by 1M+ votes in all states outside california. With people doubting the MSM, especially Trump voters, with one of Trump's main messages being strong border, strong anti illegal immigration stance, this won't play like that. Many, especially Trump voters are used to the alternative independent media, and they will understand this as a call for open borders. It will cost them votes if they push this.

Right now Trump's move by showing there was a law, proves them liars, by having liberal judges separate the children, it removes it from Trump's hand in terms of throwing guilt around, and calling for families to be released while the republicans push proper reform, won't fly.

They have the same strategy they had with Hillary, demonize Trump, and being pro loose borders, the american public does not care about the demonization, and are against loose borders.
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posted on Jun, 21 2018 @ 11:10 AM
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Called it...

Democrats are attacking Trump for issuing his EO. Sen Durbin (D-IL) slammed Trump in an interview saying his EO is not lawful because it violates Flores.



posted on Jun, 21 2018 @ 11:14 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
Called it...

Democrats are attacking Trump for issuing his EO. Sen Durbin (D-IL) slammed Trump in an interview saying his EO is not lawful because it violates Flores.


you know damn good and well it is a wish list

otherwise it would have been specific to keeping families together

what a joke

you can stay together but we can keep you forever cause we are too stupid to evaluate you

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posted on Jun, 21 2018 @ 11:22 AM
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Manu Raju
‏Verified account @mkraju
2h2 hours ago

Rs and Ds skeptical Trump executive order will hold up.

Cornyn said to me: “I worry though we are also going to need to do legislation.”

Durbin: “He’s going to find his proposal of detaining kids indefinitely with their parents rejected by the courts,” calling it “doomed.”


As for illegal immigrants the Supreme court ruled a few months back Illegal immigrants are not subject to bond hearings. They remain in custody until their legal issues are resolved.

Secondly the Supreme court ruled a long time ago that deportation for illegal entry is not a criminal offense. It is considered an administrative issue.



posted on Jun, 21 2018 @ 11:35 AM
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not really a response to my post but ok

i am not going round and round with you as you have fully demonstrated in other responses that you are very much able to ignore anything you choose and use any tactic to get your way even if it is immoral and unconstitutional.

have fun

perhaps someday we can find some common ground again



posted on Jun, 21 2018 @ 06:57 PM
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Your post didnt really come across as anything other than your thoughts.

As for the rest a personal attack and then hauling ass tells me you cant refute the facts. It ranks up their with people invoking the Nazi bs when their original narratives are completely destroyed by reality.

What part of my posts do you have issues with, specifically?



posted on Jun, 21 2018 @ 07:52 PM
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Josh Caplan
‏ @joshdcaplan

Former DHS Secretary Jeh Johnson admits to expanding family detention under President Obama.


Link below is to the tweet which contains an embedded interview where he talks about it.


twitter.com...



posted on Jun, 21 2018 @ 08:05 PM
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originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: Xcathdra
Called it...

Democrats are attacking Trump for issuing his EO. Sen Durbin (D-IL) slammed Trump in an interview saying his EO is not lawful because it violates Flores.


you know damn good and well it is a wish list

otherwise it would have been specific to keeping families together

what a joke

you can stay together but we can keep you forever cause we are too stupid to evaluate you


Yes keep them together and just release them for them not to show up at their hearing. How nice, open borders! Sorry but we will not incentivize law breaking, we will not allow treasonous traitors to jeopardize the lives of Americans, of immigrant children, and national security just so they can buy some votes.







 
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