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Coal isn't great again...yet another Trump failure

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posted on Jun, 18 2018 @ 06:28 AM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
So you did, I must have glossed over it.... My apologies.

Well that's interesting I chalked it up to more nonsense " trumps the best drivel." it must be at that point where I just switch off halfway through a post when I see it trump praise ... Gonna have to keep an eye out for that now...


There you go.

That's what we've been seeing, on BOTH sides. It's insane. We've actually have lost long term members here over it, simply because they could not contain their anger (towards Trump or each other over Trump).

But we're off topic with that.

Another plus for me with Trump as POTUS: I no longer watch the news as much as I used to, but spend more quality time with my family.




posted on Jun, 18 2018 @ 06:31 AM
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originally posted by: MarlbBlack
a reply to: burgerbuddy

This is why I came to ATS long ago to read, I try to keep an open mind but dang you guys make 2 decent pints of booze. I'll drink none.


He makes more sense if you have at least 3.






posted on Jun, 18 2018 @ 06:33 AM
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originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: DJW001

You're going off topic. This isn't about the kids of illegal immigrants being put in daycare centers.


Correct. I'm simply pointing out that "reducto ad Hitlerum" is not necessarily a fallacy, it is a lesson from history. Like "they came for the Communists." Right now, they are coming for the Mexicans. You need to stop judging what is going on from the perspective of "is life better for old white men?"


No, they're coming for criminals who are willfully breaking the law.



posted on Jun, 18 2018 @ 06:35 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

You really need a history lesson on how hitler came to power. By the way 2 things brought hitler into power fighting communism and being punished for starting world war 1. Had europeans decided not to punish germany Hitler wouldn't have gained power. The German economy actually has to crash to put him in power. The average German couldn't even afford bread.

If our economy crashes then worry because thats when Hitlers can take over.



posted on Jun, 18 2018 @ 06:40 AM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: gariac

What is replacing fossil fuels?

- the power grid is a mish mash of several smaller grids. You cannot transfer power from Texas to NY.
- wind and solar either need to be used as generated, or stored. Storing energy is the issue. Battery banks just cost to much fo national deployment, and carry their own environmental issues and combustion risks.
- on the hottest days windmills stand still
- nuclear has proven to be a nightmare. We cannot trust ourselves to build plants safely.

I have a hard time seeing the next energy solution on the horizon.


Magic.

It’s real, right?

That’s what they will use.

They just can’t find the wand but will worry about that later.

Meanwhile, there is fortune to be made in coconut telephones and monkey butlers!




posted on Jun, 18 2018 @ 06:41 AM
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originally posted by: watchitburn

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: DJW001

You're going off topic. This isn't about the kids of illegal immigrants being put in daycare centers.


Correct. I'm simply pointing out that "reducto ad Hitlerum" is not necessarily a fallacy, it is a lesson from history. Like "they came for the Communists." Right now, they are coming for the Mexicans. You need to stop judging what is going on from the perspective of "is life better for old white men?"


No, they're coming for criminals who are willfully breaking the law.


So... the little children in the camps brought here by their parents were breaking the law?



posted on Jun, 18 2018 @ 06:42 AM
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originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: MarlbBlack
a reply to: burgerbuddy

This is why I came to ATS long ago to read, I try to keep an open mind but dang you guys make 2 decent pints of booze. I'll drink none.


He makes more sense if you have at least 3.





Ill have to try that see if it works. Because half the time Trump hatred just leaves me scratching my head. I even think hes an egotistical a hole. But im not going to make stuff up to bash Trump either. He gives is plenty of ammo but luckily for Trump others make so much noise on stupid stuff that even real problems get drowned out in the whining



posted on Jun, 18 2018 @ 06:45 AM
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a reply to: dragonridr

Your economy did crash.

It happened because the people demanded access to credit, rather than access to proper wages. Clinton killed the regulations preventing banks from using peoples savings as casino money, and then, lo and behold, the market crashed in 2008. No one to blame for that fiasco, than the people with the purse strings and the people who refused to protest the removal of those protections. And while we are at it, I bet there still has been no replacement for the legislation that used to keep savers money out of the Wall Street system. Dumb people, being lead by predatory ones, again.

Also, while we are at it, Germany repeated the very stupidity that forced it to its knees, and no sympathy is deserved by any single one of the people who tried to correct their initial stupidity, with a furtherance of it.



posted on Jun, 18 2018 @ 06:48 AM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: eriktheawful

I noticed you failed to mention the insane bile also spewed out by trump supporters, once again both sides are complicit and one side blames the other in a never ending cycle of insanity.





Against whom?!!!

You?! Who tf are you?!

Pelosi?

Last I heard no one but Trump is the elected potus.




posted on Jun, 18 2018 @ 06:52 AM
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originally posted by: burgerbuddy

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: eriktheawful

I noticed you failed to mention the insane bile also spewed out by trump supporters, once again both sides are complicit and one side blames the other in a never ending cycle of insanity.





Against whom?!!!

You?! Who tf are you?!

Pelosi?

Last I heard no one but Trump is the elected potus.



Well the answer to your question was clearly stated by the quote you used. They are correct in this statement and anyone that thinks otherwise may be very ignorant of what is and has been going on in the world. Remember “deny ignorance”?



posted on Jun, 18 2018 @ 06:58 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit




What the hell is wrong with you?


I've been getting that allot lately.

However I've not changed.


To be clear, genocide and prison camps isn't the only differentiating factor. Your attribution to each entity is at best set on a vague premise.

You hate Trump, so to many others. That doesn't make him Hitler and neither does the allegations and mental gymnastics used for qualifiers.



posted on Jun, 18 2018 @ 07:03 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

No it didnt in fact right now the world economy is in a recession but US economy is growing. In the last 2 years 7 trillion dollars has been added to the US economy.

If europe started worrying more about there own economy and less about hurt feelings things would change for them as well. Look at Merkel those open borders are going to cost her a job. Biggest mistake anti Trumpers are making is attacking him on economy and immigration both those subjects you will lose.

If you really hate Trump like you seem attack his foreign policy. So far Trump is breaking deals and claiming he can negotiate better then anyone. Problem is all we have seen him do was destroy trade agreements and has yet to even make one deal that benefits anyone.

The other thing is democrats need a message case in point everyone can tell you trumps. Its make america great again. What is the democrats they don't have one other then oppose anything Trump does. The other place he van be attacked is infrastructure and health care. But those topics get drowned out by stupid stuff.



posted on Jun, 18 2018 @ 07:05 AM
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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: gariac

What is replacing fossil fuels?

- the power grid is a mish mash of several smaller grids. You cannot transfer power from Texas to NY.
- wind and solar either need to be used as generated, or stored. Storing energy is the issue. Battery banks just cost to much fo national deployment, and carry their own environmental issues and combustion risks.
- on the hottest days windmills stand still
- nuclear has proven to be a nightmare. We cannot trust ourselves to build plants safely.

I have a hard time seeing the next energy solution on the horizon.


Quick and dirty answer: nothing. Hydrocarbons are here to stay. Solar will continue to expand and IGCC (methane) will only get cheaper. So, a mish mash was of power generation technologies dominated by methane. Go check out the EIA’s AEO for 2018 I linked to on the first page...as projections/forecasts go, the EIA is the gold standard. Lots of good stuff over at EPRI, too, that answers those questions you asked.



posted on Jun, 18 2018 @ 07:10 AM
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originally posted by: DAVID64
a reply to: gariac




President Obama left the country in good shape.


Really?

www.washingtonpost.com... =on&utm_term=.a86ddbef40ea

Democrats can't win until they recognize how bad Obama's financial policies were.
He had opportunities to help the working class, and he passed them up.


www.weeklystandard.com...

The recent release of anemic quarterly economic-growth numbers for 2016 has revived the debate over the Obama economy. Some say it has been okay; some say it has been lousy. In truth, the economy under President Barack Obama has been historically bad. How bad? Adjusted for inflation, average yearly GDP growth under President Obama has been less than half of what it was under President Jimmy Carter, 1.5 percent to 3.3 percent.


nypost.com...

Last week the Commerce Department released its third revision for fourth-quarter 2016 gross domestic product. The number came in at a paltry 2.1 percent, meaning that growth during President Obama’s final year in office — the end of an “Error of Hope” — landed with a big thud at just 1.6 percent. That low-water mark puts the Obama presidency in last place among all the post-World War II presidents when it comes to economic growth.



What do you think President Trump and have administration has done, exactly, to improve things?
I keep hearing this claim without much actual action to back it. The only thing that I can think of was the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017 signed on December 22, 2017.

For example, while it doesn't necessarily translate to you or me, most of the gains to the Dow Jones Industrial Average occurred during President Obama's term.
January 20, 2009: 7,949.09 (Obama takes office)
January 20, 2017: 19,732.40 (Trump takes office)
Today: 25,090.48

Was it the tax cuts? Well... slight problem with that... the DJIA was already at 24,000 in November 2017, before the bill was even discussed; 6 months after the act was signed, the DJIA hs gained less than 1,000 points.

It seems President Trump hasn't been amazing for the markets. So, what has his administration done for working people?



posted on Jun, 18 2018 @ 07:14 AM
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This is the Sword you're gonna fall on? You apparently detest Coal...but are going to use it as your faulty logic fulcrum? It's a Bloomberg Article to boot...so...enjoy b*tching about your ice cream being too Cold. It's gonna be a long 8 years for you.

a reply to: gariac



posted on Jun, 18 2018 @ 07:17 AM
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originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff
I like the way you say “Another” of Trumps failures as if there’s dozens of them.

Why can’t you people just be happy the country’s doing ok for a change?


Maybe because the country is not "doing okay"?

We have antagonized our closest allies, started unwinnable trade wars with the strongest economies in the world that has the possibility of crashing the world economy (again) and we're cozying up to dictators openly.

We're in about as bad a place as we've ever been.



posted on Jun, 18 2018 @ 07:21 AM
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a reply to: gariac

How conservatives can agree with the government spending billions to prop up a private industy is stunning.

Republicans however have been doing it with the oil and gas industry for years.

Another point to demonstrate that they are not really conservative at all ... but are rather in the pocket (just as the Democrats are) of international corporations.



posted on Jun, 18 2018 @ 07:22 AM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: eriktheawful

I noticed you failed to mention the insane bile also spewed out by trump supporters


But he did and his comment isn't even edited. This is why conversing with a libtard is practically pointless.



posted on Jun, 18 2018 @ 07:25 AM
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originally posted by: Bone75

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: eriktheawful

I noticed you failed to mention the insane bile also spewed out by trump supporters


But he did and his comment isn't even edited. This is why conversing with a libtard is practically pointless.


You seek meaningful conversation in the Mud Pit? LOL.

Conversing with anyone on the extremes is usually fairly pointless.



posted on Jun, 18 2018 @ 07:33 AM
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a reply to: dragonridr

Yes it did!

There are STILL people living in tent cities because of that crash, and that was ten damned years ago! The fact that those people are still boned now, is evidence further (were any needed) that neoclassical economics has failed your nations people, and will keep doing so unless its worst excesses are heavily regulated to prevent it!

For goodness sake dragonridr, would you PLEASE make yourself aware of what is and is not going on in your country, BEFORE commenting any further? Those seven trillion you are talking about...

The only money in the system that matters, is the money flowing to the people who have not benefited from the system historically, that is, those working the low end jobs which are the only ones which actually keep the machinery of the country moving. I will tell you now, for a fact, that without paper shufflers and administrators, you can run a nation without too much difficulty, get food where it is needed, water where it has to be, because as long as the people wielding wrenches, oiling the friction carrying surfaces, and dealing with the nuts and bolts end of society, it keeps running just damned fine.

But that is not what is happening. Your low level employees, who despite their lowly status are the ones making the machinery work, are NOT being properly rewarded for their labours, meaning they have to either rely on government subsidy, charity, or credit. Credit extension is what caused the last calamity, but no one should have had to rely on credit, no one, not the poorest or the richest in your country, to get things done. Yet, they did. They had to have somewhere to live, so they had to borrow, because their jobs were not paying them well enough to actually achieve dwelling of a secure and acceptable standard.

Now, you can pussy foot around the issue, you can try to ignore it as countless people have attempted to do before, or you can accept that the only correct system for a person to live under, is one which means that if they work they get what they need to live and enough to save as well, REGARDLESS of what they do, or how some jerk with a misplaced sense of his own worth feels about it.

What you cannot do, is suggest that seven trillion dollars being largely inserted into the top five percent of earners pockets, makes a blind bit of difference to the person working three jobs to feed his family and pay the rent, when any one of those jobs should be paying him at least enough to do that, simply by virtue of having the temerity to offer work at ALL. You should not be able to offer work unless you can afford to pay a person to live. Thats the bottom line.




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