Fact-checking immigration spin on separating families and 1,500 ‘lost’ children

originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: KTemplar
a reply to: howtonhawky


Who are they?

I believe that only God can ultimately judge, and that would mostly likely be based upon INTENT. Also, God gave us Jesus and the Bible, not the constitution, that would be America’s founding fathers. James Madison to be exact.

Yes, in a perfect world, we could help everybody. Unfortunately, due to soo many opioid deaths, gang violence, increased drug trafficking and human human trafficking everyone needs to be vetted period.

It seems our government is acting in the children’s best interests. It would be horrible if children were being trafficked; this has to be determined SAFELY.

I will pray for the children of course.

tptb

how about god judging america based on how well we followed the constitution he gave us?

that is what i see happening in some form

we are not looking too good since immigration is a states right and naturalization is gov. right.

So by your account, Mexico should let us just go there as well? I have a cousin who has always wanted to move to Mexico.

There are too many crimes being committed too allow this to continue happening sadly.

Does anyone have any ideas what these countries can do to help themselves in anyway or is it an impossibility?

a reply to: Xcalibur254

From what I've read, the woman and her child were not immediately separated. After a few days they decided to separate them, but haven't disclosed the reason. Nothing in the law says they have to disclose the reason. Whatever the reason was, they were only separated for a few days. This IS NOT standard practice.

a reply to: Arizonaguy

They were separated for four months and by thousands of miles. The only reason the government eventually did a DNA test to prove parentage is because they got sued.

originally posted by: KTemplar

originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: KTemplar
a reply to: howtonhawky


Who are they?

I believe that only God can ultimately judge, and that would mostly likely be based upon INTENT. Also, God gave us Jesus and the Bible, not the constitution, that would be America’s founding fathers. James Madison to be exact.

Yes, in a perfect world, we could help everybody. Unfortunately, due to soo many opioid deaths, gang violence, increased drug trafficking and human human trafficking everyone needs to be vetted period.

It seems our government is acting in the children’s best interests. It would be horrible if children were being trafficked; this has to be determined SAFELY.

I will pray for the children of course.

tptb

how about god judging america based on how well we followed the constitution he gave us?

that is what i see happening in some form

we are not looking too good since immigration is a states right and naturalization is gov. right.

So by your account, Mexico should let us just go there as well? I have a cousin who has always wanted to move to Mexico.

There are too many crimes being committed too allow this to continue happening sadly.

Does anyone have any ideas what these countries can do to help themselves in anyway or is it an impossibility?

mexico does not have our constitution

this does not at all address or effect criminals smuggling people or drugs across border. it effects asylum seekers

the underlying problem on our side is our war on drugs and welfare system

again the recent change is they removed an exception to the border crossing law

a reply to: howtonhawky


The rules were changed because criminals don’t plAy by the rules, which has created an uptick in drug/human trafficking, and the abuse of our social programs as well.

Unfortunately this is where we are at!

Here is an idea.....if you hate the situation at the border adopt one of the children or learn how to help....Stop listening to the multi- millionaires in the MSM who will lie so they can elect who they want in Washington D.C. and continue to lie to keep their millionaire job.....All MSM does this on every single network....Donate or run for office to actually help.Stop falling for click bait news articles and once again ALL MSM...

Build a wall and case closed....

originally posted by: matafuchs
Build a wall and case closed....

what about asylum seekers?

they are being turned away at the ports.

a wall does not control the smuggling problem we deal with at the ports

the national guard was enacted to act as temporary wall yet the smuggling continues

originally posted by: Jobeycool
Here is an idea.....if you hate the situation at the border adopt one of the children or learn how to help....Stop listening to the multi- millionaires in the MSM who will lie so they can elect who they want in Washington D.C. and continue to lie to keep their millionaire job.....All MSM does this on every single network....Donate or run for office to actually help.Stop falling for click bait news articles and once again ALL MSM...

lol
nice thought but not at all plausible as a fix

originally posted by: KTemplar
a reply to: howtonhawky


The rules were changed because criminals don’t plAy by the rules, which has created an uptick in drug/human trafficking, and the abuse of our social programs as well.

Unfortunately this is where we are at!

it will continue to deteriorate as long as we ignore the constitution

the constitution is like digestion and if not done correctly it creates serious problems in the system

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

It's the living denial of ignorance on ATS, throw away your stupid lables and add a thing or two?

a reply to: howtonhawky
Is your solution to simply accept all asylum seekers from every corner of the Earth?? Do we just literally say "keep on coming, don't stop until we hit at least one bullion plus and drain the world of their poorest and in most needy?? Can you explain if you want this done with or without vetting and how you believe you may feel with a handful of them temporarily setting up residence in your own home?? Also I need to know know if you believe that we should build entire new cities, or simply start a quota system for a minimum number of housing complexes with libraries, Wi-Fi, community gyms and pools with basketball courts per municipality??

Will it make you feel more warm and tingly when you are the only one on your block busting your ass off while everyone else gets a free ride, assuming it's all got a source of funding of course. At which point you will no doubt bring up our defense budget and possibly suggest we cut back 95% and exclusively focus on building communities for the world's poor and destitute?? You know before the seventies, many immigrants built their own communities with their bare hands and whatever they could save. Remember saving money??? Kiss that goodbye, no amount of defense spending cuts will cover building entire communities with recreation and education covered without some significant tax increase.

I mean now the ACLU is suing after Trump signs an order keeping families together and the ACLU is suing g again from the other #ing side!!! Because, well the only reason would be everything I just posted. That they sincerely believe we need to just wave everyone in and work our asses off giving them a life they are apparently entitled too.

a reply to: howtonhawky

Um, this didn't happen.

I know some people like to believe Snopes is like the Wizard in Wizard of Oz, that they have all the answers and everything they state is absolutely the truth and that they have no reason to lie or be biased or not report the truth.

But that's just not the case.

Mainstream news outlets have been VERY slow about correcting this mess, but some of them actually have. USA Today corrected their article, not their headline, and even put the correction at the top.

Newsweek sort of made it right, sort of.

Newsweek and the Truth About the "Missing Children"

Corrections & Clarifications: An earlier version of this column mischaracterized the legal status of 1,475 undocumented migrant children who crossed the U.S.-Mexico border without their parents. Those children were placed in the custody of sponsors screened by the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services. They are no longer in federal custody. -USA Today May 25, 2018

USA Today's Article on the Topic...Look at the top for the Correction.

Are people just lazy or do they really believe all they read online, see on Twitter or Fakebook, hear someone else say it and decide it must be true, or what?

originally posted by: Arizonaguy
a reply to: Xcalibur254

From what I've read, the woman and her child were not immediately separated. After a few days they decided to separate them, but haven't disclosed the reason. Nothing in the law says they have to disclose the reason. Whatever the reason was, they were only separated for a few days. This IS NOT standard practice.

The reason being they probably didn't qualify for asylum.

People are shouting "but ASYLUM!! Gahh, gah, ahh, but they're seeking aaaaasssyyylummmm!!!" and they have NO clue what they're even talking about.

If they qualify for asylum, they're not arrested, nor are they separated. It is a completely different policy and process.

However, just because you want to come to the USA and made the trip up here, that doesn't automatically mean you qualify for asylum.

From the Legal Information Institute at Cornell Law School:

Authority to apply for Asylum: In general Any alien who is physically present in the United States or who arrives in the United States (whether or not at a designated port of arrival and including an alien who is brought to the United States after having been interdicted in international or United States waters), irrespective of such alien’s status, may apply for asylum in accordance with this section or, where applicable, section 1225(b) of this title.

Link to the Legal Information Institute at Cornell Law School

Here's some more of the information regarding the law related to applying for asylum in the United States from that same page:

Exceptions:

(A) Safe third country Paragraph (1) shall not apply to an alien if the Attorney General determines that the alien may be removed, pursuant to a bilateral or multilateral agreement, to a country (other than the country of the alien’s nationality or, in the case of an alien having no nationality, the country of the alien’s last habitual residence) in which the alien’s life or freedom would not be threatened on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion, and where the alien would have access to a full and fair procedure for determining a claim to asylum or equivalent temporary protection, unless the Attorney General finds that it is in the public interest for the alien to receive asylum in the United States.

(B) Time limit Subject to subparagraph (D), paragraph (1) shall not apply to an alien unless the alien demonstrates by clear and convincing evidence that the application has been filed within 1 year after the date of the alien’s arrival in the United States.

(C) Previous asylum applications Subject to subparagraph (D), paragraph (1) shall not apply to an alien if the alien has previously applied for asylum and had such application denied.

(D) Changed circumstances An application for asylum of an alien may be considered, notwithstanding subparagraphs (B) and (C), if the alien demonstrates to the satisfaction of the Attorney General either the existence of changed circumstances which materially affect the applicant’s eligibility for asylum or extraordinary circumstances relating to the delay in filing an application within the period specified in subparagraph (B).

(E) Applicability Subparagraphs (A) and (B) shall not apply to an unaccompanied alienchild (as defined in section 279(g) of title 6).

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: howtonhawky

Completely unamerican and as a whole drags us down.

That depends on how you look at it. The Nazis took the babies from their jewish mothers arms as well, after arriving at the concentration camps.

White heritage, that's what I see. And fascism, of course.

Don't give up!

1,358 CHILDREN AND COUNTING — TRUMP’S “ZERO TOLERANCE” BORDER POLICY IS SEPARATING FAMILIES AT STAGGERING RATES

The War on Immigrants

Are you referring to the breastfeeding mother who had her baby ripped from her arms?

A story that originally came from, um, Buzzfeed?

It must be true then, right? I mean, Buzzfeed and their contributors are known for their groundbreaking reporting from the border and Earth shattering journalism about the "17 Drunken Texts Only Sisters Would Send To Each Other."

17 Drunken Texts...

However, one news website did a little digging into the breastfeeding baby story. Something tells me you won't like it though...
DHS Denies Separating Breastfeeding Children From Migrant Parents...

I'm actually starting to think that Trump Derangement Syndrome is actually a thing, for lack of a better term. That people are so blind with whatever emotions they refuse to participate in reality and choose to live in a made up angry-world.

a reply to: lovebeck

What?

Thousands of kids don't exist and they don't take babies from their mothers? You found a BreastFeed angle with BuzzFeed on that?!?
Impressive! Kinda. Ok, so... uhm... just the non-breastfeeders it is then?

Wait! That's the hateful angry-world in me again, is it?

I knew it...

originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: matafuchs
Build a wall and case closed....

what about asylum seekers?

they are being turned away at the ports.

a wall does not control the smuggling problem we deal with at the ports

the national guard was enacted to act as temporary wall yet the smuggling continues

There must be a cap on asylum seekers too. Asylum seeking cannot and should not ever mean an open border gateway. Changing the words from illegal immigrant to asylum seeker, doesn't mean you get your open borders wish granted.

Laws can be changed so asylum can be sought at embassies outside the U.S. We should not entice children being sent across a desert where they are raped and killed.

a reply to: Xenogears

it is a state issue

the fed has no authority to set limits or laws concerning immigration.

originally posted by: howtonhawky
a reply to: Xenogears

it is a state issue

the fed has no authority to set limits or laws concerning immigration.

Ah so nice, so that democrat states can act as free open border gateways and destroy the country. I'm sorry but no.

originally posted by: Xenogears

originally posted by: howtonhawky

originally posted by: matafuchs
Build a wall and case closed....

what about asylum seekers?

they are being turned away at the ports.

a wall does not control the smuggling problem we deal with at the ports

the national guard was enacted to act as temporary wall yet the smuggling continues

There must be a cap on asylum seekers too. Asylum seeking cannot and should not ever mean an open border gateway. Changing the words from illegal immigrant to asylum seeker, doesn't mean you get your open borders wish granted.

Laws can be changed so asylum can be sought at embassies outside the U.S. We should not entice children being sent across a desert where they are raped and killed.

yes states can set there limits

the feds can only legally make recommendations

no it would not be wise to allow people to apply outside the usa

the system would literly implode under the pressure of the whole world applying at the same time.

the thought behind making them come here to apply is that the harder you make it the less applications we would get and those that made it here would be the stronger among them

sad but true