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Fact-checking immigration spin on separating families and 1,500 ‘lost’ children

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posted on Jun, 14 2018 @ 02:41 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: IkNOwSTuff




So when the US decides someone isnt eligible for asylum they just drop them off at the closest border and shoo them away in the opposite direction from America???


Migrant Caravan Asylum Seekers Being 'Illegally' Turned Away at Border, Rights Group Says www.newsweek.com...






Great!Turn them all away and deport the illegals that are here!About time the Gov started enforcing the lhe law.

Asylum Seekers Are Being Systematically Turned Away at the U.S.-Mexico Border immigrationimpact.com...




posted on Jun, 14 2018 @ 03:03 PM
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free open borders, free education, free healthcare and free food and free everything for all of the worlds poor

GTFO

cut all these bull# taxes out and stop giving away so much free # and maybe I'll care more



posted on Jun, 14 2018 @ 03:03 PM
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a reply to: Sunwolf

good, keep it up it's not my burden to care for the world's poor and I already work my ass to the bone for what feels like nothing



posted on Jun, 14 2018 @ 03:10 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: matafuchs


I guess they're automatically bad parents for having kids while living in s#-hole countries.


No, they are good parents trying to get out of a #hole as you call it. I don't. It is just 3rd world conditions...like Detroit or Baltimore.

Putting their kids in a bad position or trying to use them for asylum...that is #ty and they are bad parents.

I can remember 20-30 years ago people would work and send money home. Now they simply cross the border and live of the US government.

I do not want kids ripped from their parents BUT it will happen when something like this is done...even before Trump was in office. Those cage pics were not from this year...



posted on Jun, 14 2018 @ 03:28 PM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
free open borders, free education, free healthcare and free food and free everything for all of the worlds poor

GTFO

cut all these bull# taxes out and stop giving away so much free # and maybe I'll care more


perhaps if you did not bull# so much they would not tax it.

also what is the harm in giving something away that is free?



posted on Jun, 14 2018 @ 03:49 PM
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a reply to: matafuchs




Those cage pics were not from this year...


Those pics were of the busloads of unaccompanied minors that the Obama Administration had to deal with. But, the Obama Administration didn't have a policy of separating kids from their parents, who were applying for asylum. That's new and that's all Trump and Sessions.



posted on Jun, 14 2018 @ 04:09 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: matafuchs




Those cage pics were not from this year...


Those pics were of the busloads of unaccompanied minors that the Obama Administration had to deal with. But, the Obama Administration didn't have a policy of separating kids from their parents, who were applying for asylum. That's new and that's all Trump and Sessions.



Who cares?You feel for those poor asylum seekers,you take them in.Don`t ask me or anyone else to support them with our taxes.




posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 03:03 AM
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a reply to: howtonhawky

the current admin has already agreed to end the policy of separating families at the border, but the democrats refuse to negotiate, the terms are simple, the admin gets the wall they were voted in to build, the democrats can change the separating family policy.

isnt it strange the democrats never cared about this separating families policy back when they had the power? when obama ruled with his democratic house and senate, they did nothing about this.

now they stand in the way of trumps efforts to solve it., all the while blaming trump for it.....

utterly insane,



posted on Jun, 16 2018 @ 07:22 PM
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a reply to: NobodiesNormal


You build a wall, the Millennials will tear it down.

Trump's wall is an exercise in planned obsolescence and futility, a waste of money and an ecological horror.



posted on Jun, 19 2018 @ 04:34 PM
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originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: matafuchs




Those cage pics were not from this year...


Those pics were of the busloads of unaccompanied minors that the Obama Administration had to deal with. But, the Obama Administration didn't have a policy of separating kids from their parents, who were applying for asylum. That's new and that's all Trump and Sessions.



Actually obama had a zero tolerance policy as well. In fact hes the one that started it. He even went so far as to jail the minors in detention centers.
grassrootsleadership.org...

Now the problem Trump faces is the court's said its illegal to loxk up children because their parents are in detention. So this only leaves one option either release the parents and hope they show for their hearing, you know they wont. Or lock them up and the kids become wards of the state until family can claim them or their parents case is heard.

As bad as it is to separate them keeping them locked up together just isnt an option i would want. The other reality is there are a lot of people bringing kids over the border that are not theirs. Child trafficking is big business. They use the kids for forced labor and even prostitution.

www.latimes.com...
edit on 6/19/18 by dragonridr because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 19 2018 @ 04:45 PM
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originally posted by: NobodiesNormal
a reply to: howtonhawky

the current admin has already agreed to end the policy of separating families at the border, but the democrats refuse to negotiate, the terms are simple, the admin gets the wall they were voted in to build, the democrats can change the separating family policy.

isnt it strange the democrats never cared about this separating families policy back when they had the power? when obama ruled with his democratic house and senate, they did nothing about this.

now they stand in the way of trumps efforts to solve it., all the while blaming trump for it.....

utterly insane,


so then clearly we have a hostage ransom situation just as i stated days ago



posted on Jun, 19 2018 @ 04:57 PM
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Seems the OP title is off. This is not a story about losing 1500 kids due to separating families...it is two stories not related. The 1500 kids is about unaccompanied children released as below.




In 2017, ORR released 93 percent of children to a sponsor. Of those, 49 percent were released to parents, 41 percent to close relatives, and 10 percent to other-than-close relatives or non-relatives. So far in fiscal year 2018, the administration released 90 percent of children to individual sponsors and of those sponsors, 41 percent were parents, 47 percent were close relatives, and 11 percent were other-than-close relatives or non-relatives.


Even the Washington Post piece says...



All 7,635 children were resettled by HHS. After 30 days, the department called the parents or guardians to check up on things. But these calls were not required by law, and in 1,475 cases, the parents or guardians did not respond, perhaps because they feared being targeted for deportation, Wagner said.


This is were the 1500 lost children title came from...seems a little miss leading for political reasons, or is that just me thinking that?



posted on Jun, 19 2018 @ 05:05 PM
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a reply to: Xtrozero

the court ruled that unaccompanied minors can only be held for 30 days

never ruled on accompanied minors because we have never detained them

as to the title it seemed correct enough a couple days ago but the level of our knowledge is rising



posted on Jun, 19 2018 @ 05:12 PM
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originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: howtonhawky




Completely unamerican and as a whole drags us down.


That depends on how you look at it. The Nazis took the babies from their jewish mothers arms as well, after arriving at the concentration camps.

White heritage, that's what I see. And fascism, of course.

Don't give up!

1,358 CHILDREN AND COUNTING — TRUMP’S “ZERO TOLERANCE” BORDER POLICY IS SEPARATING FAMILIES AT STAGGERING RATES

The War on Immigrants


You are dumb if you are comparing children being separated at the border for illegally crossing into a country that is not theirs, vs Nazis ripping kids away from families, and believe that pure crap you're writing. No one on this side of the border is forcing those people to uproot and illegally enter the country. You have to be one of these, dumb, mentally handicapped in some way, or a troll to compare what happened in the past with the nazis vs what is going on now, which is it?



posted on Jun, 19 2018 @ 05:13 PM
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originally posted by: howtonhawky
a reply to: Xtrozero

the court ruled that unaccompanied minors can only be held for 30 days

never ruled on accompanied minors because we have never detained them

as to the title it seemed correct enough a couple days ago but the level of our knowledge is rising


I think the Washington Post was trying to spin two events together as click bait. We are entering uncharted waters, we will see changes soon, one will be the kids will be back with the parents, or so called parents...I'm sure rules, regulations, laws etc. that been in place a long time will change too. We going to see some good come out of this but there will be bad too, and I suspect changes to who can even claim asylum will happen soon, as I said before poverty, cartel nor crime are reasons for asylum.



posted on Jun, 19 2018 @ 05:15 PM
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originally posted by: Metallicus
I guess the parents of these children should have thought about the consequences for their families before they illegally invaded our country. Ultimately it is the parents that are responsible for what is happening to them not the Government.


Yeah but they don't believe in personal responsibility, in any area of life it seems. Don't protect yourselves the government will protect you, don't work to get a good job the government will provide for you, don't worry about illegally crossing into a sovereign nation, the government will take away your kids, but don't worry bleeding hearts with their feelings and wishes will make it all better.



posted on Jun, 20 2018 @ 05:27 AM
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a reply to: uninspired

Right. Don't let freedom of movement prevail when we can have the Nanny State pat down every single traveller! Some people don't seem to realize, that they're plugged into the butt hole of an authoritarian tyranny.

Blame the socialists for putting babies in cages?



posted on Jun, 20 2018 @ 05:33 AM
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a reply to: uninspired




Nazis ripping kids away from families, and believe that pure crap you're writing.


So the Nazis didn't rip kids from their mothers arms? You can justify that kinda crap all day long if you want, but it doesn't change jack-sh!t.



posted on Jun, 20 2018 @ 05:38 AM
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originally posted by: PublicOpinion
a reply to: uninspired




Nazis ripping kids away from families, and believe that pure crap you're writing.


So the Nazis didn't rip kids from their mothers arms? You can justify that kinda crap all day long if you want, but it doesn't change jack-sh!t.


The nazis killed millions wholesale in gas chambers, starved people, worked them till they couldnt stand, and shot them where they stood.

These kids being housed in humanitarian conditions, have entertainment, even Tai chi classes in one case, as well as multiple TVs, gaming units and everything else.

You know that rhetoric is bullsnip and inflammatory

Are you going to choose to propagate it or choose truth?

Its not the situation I want for them, its not the situation MOST want for them, but to make this comparison is dishonest and despicable.

Youre better than that.



posted on Jun, 20 2018 @ 06:04 AM
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a reply to: SailorJerry

Well, it's what they did. Actual. History. Look it up?



Youre better than that.


Maybe I should tell you, that my grandpa was the first mate on a fcking Nazi cruiser. My family still suffers from the sexual abuse that followed after he survived the war, so yeah. I'm pretty good with despising everything Nazi-related.

And ripping babies from their mothers arms is the first step in a long row of trauma and abuse. Especially with no congressional oversight whatsoever, and that's the highly volatile part here.







 
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