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Why do some job adverts put women off applying?

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posted on Jun, 13 2018 @ 02:57 PM
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originally posted by: peck420
If the word 'manager', in my ad, is preventing people afraid of management from applying...it sounds like my ad is working just fine.

Job ads should be as descriptive as possible, not as 'comforting' as possible. I want you to know precisely what you are applying for, before you waste either of our time. Makes the whole process easier for myself as well as the prospective employee.

If that skews who applies...honestly, as long as the position I have is filled by a person capable of doing it, I don't care much for balancing my staff ethnicities and genders...I don't sell ethnicity nor gender.


So you would be fine with women being subservient to men if that brings you the most profit?




posted on Jun, 13 2018 @ 03:10 PM
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originally posted by: Aazadan
So you would be fine with women being subservient to men if that brings you the most profit?


No, I am not fine with retarded questions, that don't relate to what I posted.

But, thank you for asking.



posted on Jun, 13 2018 @ 03:14 PM
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originally posted by: peck420

originally posted by: Aazadan
So you would be fine with women being subservient to men if that brings you the most profit?


No, I am not fine with retarded questions, that don't relate to what I posted.

But, thank you for asking.


But you just said you don't care about equality. If men were 100% proven to be superior in the workplace, would you hire only men?

If the answer to that is no, then you should care about attracting female applicants.



posted on Jun, 13 2018 @ 03:23 PM
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originally posted by: Aazadan
But you just said you don't care about equality.

Quote this in my post for me.

Is it hard being so pro slavery?



posted on Jun, 13 2018 @ 04:15 PM
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originally posted by: peck420

originally posted by: Aazadan
But you just said you don't care about equality.

Quote this in my post for me.

Is it hard being so pro slavery?


Sure.

"If that skews who applies...honestly, as long as the position I have is filled by a person capable of doing it, I don't care much for balancing my staff ethnicities and genders...I don't sell ethnicity nor gender. "

If you don't care about balancing it, then you also don't care if it's all men. You only care who makes you the most money, therefore if women aren't as profitable, you're happy to not hire them.
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posted on Jun, 13 2018 @ 04:15 PM
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a reply to: Aazadan

it makes no difference what the sex of the person is doing the job the only thing that matters so anyone doing anything is that the job gets done

blegghhhhhhhhhhhhhhh



posted on Jun, 13 2018 @ 04:18 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults

Cool, so you agree that job advertisements should be written to attract as many people as possible then? If it doesn't matter, then such a practice can only serve to hire more qualified candidates right?



posted on Jun, 13 2018 @ 04:42 PM
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a reply to: Aazadan
Ah, so I should be answering to you, specifically to the ideas you project into my statements?

You must be a real hoot at parties! How is the wall? Still holding it up.

I know this will be hard for you to fit into your predetermined identity boxes, but no, I don't prefer male or female. I prefer competent. I especially prefer competency that exceeds my expectations.

A very good way to find that is to utilize accurate job postings. If the accuracy of the posting dissuades those ill equipped for the job, then it is doing me two services at once, and is now doubly appreciated.

If that posting skews more male applicants then female...I don't care. I am not here to force the world into equity...that is, apparently, your job. If it skews to more female...I still don't care.

I am not an employees mom or dad, nor am I their government, here to protect them. I am an employer that is trading their time and skills, for a set period, for money. Our entire transaction can, and on many occasions has, occurred with me never knowing their ethnicity or gender, and that is how I prefer it. Clean, simple, efficient.



posted on Jun, 13 2018 @ 04:45 PM
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a reply to: peck420

So you would rather just ignore the problem than admit you're part of it?

Got it.



posted on Jun, 13 2018 @ 05:05 PM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: DanDanDat
First I am an experienced C++ programmer; I don't even know what a Ninja programmer is. I could guess it might denote you know a lot more languages than just C++. But if that is the case than just say so. "Looking for a programmer who knows more than one language" ... Ninja programmer is sloppy and does not reflect a full idea. If it also only attracts white men than great their company can have um.


It's basically a more edgy, younger, more hip way of saying they want someone well versed. Ninja, rockstar, and a few others are code (no pun intended) for the company having a fratboy style company culture. And that most definitely shifts the demographics of who applies.


Yea I kinda got that. But that's the point why would most women want to take a job at a fratboy style company? Why PC this company into masking who they are; let them display who they are to the world so that the rest of us can know to stay away.



posted on Jun, 13 2018 @ 05:13 PM
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a reply to: peck420

apparently you're part of the problem because you won't put, "I run a daycare center and therefor will baby your every need"

completely ridiculous

everyone needs to stop expecting to be coddled



posted on Jun, 13 2018 @ 05:23 PM
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originally posted by: DanDanDat
Yea I kinda got that. But that's the point why would most women want to take a job at a fratboy style company? Why PC this company into masking who they are; let them display who they are to the world so that the rest of us can know to stay away.


If you stop advertising that culture, other people get hired and it eventually changes.



posted on Jun, 13 2018 @ 05:45 PM
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originally posted by: dug88
I guess you better be careful listing job descriptions now in case it's somehow subtly triggering....I dunno...# it...


Why do we insist the problem is with the advertisement?

Maybe the problem is with women.



posted on Jun, 13 2018 @ 05:45 PM
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a reply to: Aazadan

So, this job description is an exact description of what the job entails.

Simply Hired


Under general direction, to plan, organize, and direct the activities focused on research and evaluation of an agency/departments program and service performance outcomes; to develop and validate new service technologies and best practice models of service delivery; and to establish partnerships with other agencies, departments, universities and organizations to share and leverage research resources as appropriate.

DISTINGUISHING CHARACTERISTICS:

The Senior Research and Evaluation Specialist is the advanced professional working level within the Research and Evaluation Specialist class series. The Senior Research and Evaluation Specialist serves as a research expert and is responsible for the conceptualization of research questions, development of statistical models, determination of research design and competently applies analytic tools to conduct highly complex research and evaluation activities. Senior Research and Evaluation Specialist lead research projects and may provide direction, guidance and support to Research and Evaluation Specialists.

The Senior Research and Evaluation Specialist is distinguished from the Research and Evaluation Specialist II in that the Senior Research Evaluation Specialist leads in developing and planning research and evaluation study/projects while the Research and Evaluation Specialist II is responsible for applying analytical tools carrying out research activities, conducting analysis and interpreting results. The Senior Research and Evaluation Specialist is further distinguished from the Senior Management Analyst class by demonstrating a highly specialized-technical research skill set as well as experience using empirical research in applied settings whereas the Senior Management Analyst serves as an advisor to management and conducts staff studies and projects utilizing complex analysis.

TYPICAL TASKS:

Leads applied research, evaluation, and assessment studies, as well as cost-benefit analysis on various agency departmental programs/services and community needs, to increase knowledge to support recommendations for best practices for agency programs and services;
Assists directors and program managers in defining appropriate research and evaluation agenda, goals and measures required to implement and evaluate program services;
Acts as a departmental resource on questions related to relevant research projects;
Implements funded research studies in compliance with funding agency standards;
Maintains on-going liaison with local governments, community organizations, planning agencies, and private groups;
Assists with the preparation and submission of Institutional Review Board proposals;
Develops and manages research and evaluation grants and contracts;
Applies statistical expertise to select appropriate research designs including data sampling methods and collection procedures and analytical strategies;
Uses qualitative and quantitative methods to research studies, including but not limited to regression analysis, weighting techniques, imputation, and modeling;
Oversees preparation of reports and presents findings on research and evaluation activities to departments and management and national and local conferences and submits manuscripts to peer-reviewed publications.
Assists in selection, supervision, direction, evaluation and discipline of staff, and ensures their orientation, training and development;
May function as project leader or supervise small number of staff to train staff in the activities related to research and program evaluation;
Coordinates or directs monitoring and evaluations of departmental and contracted services including the development of designs, criteria, and procedures;
Identifies grant opportunities and grant preparation for research, evaluation, needs assessment and outcome measurement projects, based on agency needs;
Acts as the principal liaison with grant writers and collaborates with principals in other agencies to support grant writing activities;
Monitors compliance with terms of grants received in collaboration with other program and finance staff;
May be assigned as a Disaster Service Worker, as required;
Performs related work as required.
EMPLOYMENT STANDARDS:

Sufficient experience and education that demonstrates the ability to perform the above tasks and the possession and application of the following knowledge and abilities:

Training and Experience Note: The following knowledge and abilities are acquired through Possession of Master's Degree in Social Work, Public Policy, Public Health, Public Administration or related field

AND

Three (3) years of experience performing research and evaluation and performance outcome activities in a direct client service environment. Experience must include completion of one (1) research project and participated in one (1) professional presentation related to human services research. A Ph.D. in an appropriate field may substitute for one (1) year of required experience.

Possession of a California' Driver's License prior to appointment and the ability to qualify for and maintain a County Driver's Permit.

Knowledge of:

Principles of government organization and administration;Best evidence-based practices and web-based resources, including knowledge of the academic literature and policies relevant to field of study;
Principles and techniques of fiscal and program management and direct client level services;
Principles and techniques of management, supervision and training;
Current trends in federal, state, and local field-relevant research and evaluation of programs and services;
Researching grant acquisition sources and writing persuasive grant proposals;
Best practices, evidence based practices and web-based resources, including command of the empirical literature and policies relevant to field of practice;
Quantitative and qualitative research methods, including, but not limited to, research design, interviewing protocols, instrument design, sampling, data collection, etc.;
Database conventions and performance measures;
Standard and statistical software applications;
Common computer applications including word processing and spreadsheets;
Principles and methods of advanced statistical modeling such as multivariate regression analysis, categorical data analysis, structural equation modeling, etc.
Ability to:

Lead research and evaluation studies and collaborate with directors and managers of County agency and departments in defining research objectives;
Use research findings to recommend evidence best practices for agency programs and services and to make informed policy recommendations;
Communicate effectively with a variety of governmental, academic, and community agencies orally and in writing;
Write, present, and negotiate grant applications;
Conceptualize research study from development of research question to analytic strategies and presentation of findings;
Analyze, interpret, prepare, and present data related to research and evaluation findings to a broad audience including peer-reviewed publications;
Use qualitative and quantitative research methods in applied public service settings;
Initiate, plan, and complete work assignments with a minimum amount of supervision;



posted on Jun, 13 2018 @ 05:46 PM
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a reply to: Aazadan

Go ahead and describe for me what's wrong with that job description?

here's my opinion, if you read that and you are not attracted to that job your not cut out for the position I don't care what sex you are or your emotions

let me guess, I now have to ruled by women in the workplace as well as the home too right???

nah sorry getting sick of this feel good bull# get over it
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posted on Jun, 13 2018 @ 06:06 PM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
Go ahead and describe for me what's wrong with that job description?


I don't know. I'm not an expert on this stuff. That's why the company in the OP exists, because to most people it's not readily apparent.



let me guess, I now have to ruled by women in the workplace as well as the home too right???


So you see it as you're either ruling over them or they're ruling over you?



posted on Jun, 13 2018 @ 06:19 PM
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a reply to: Aazadan

yes there is always a hierarchy and when I have to change everything including my business model to fit some kind of ridiculous utopian ideology it's authoritarian

or what I pay more taxes than the company thats willing to capitulate to this bull#?

no thanks time to turn off the sjw button

also, I would like to point out the reason why you can't find the flaws in that job description, BECAUSE THERE ARE NONE

ding ding we have a winner
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posted on Jun, 13 2018 @ 06:39 PM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
also, I would like to point out the reason why you can't find the flaws in that job description, BECAUSE THERE ARE NONE


Are you sure? Or are you, like me, too ignorant to find them?

Nothing is flawless, if you're incapable of finding the flaws in something then it means you're lacking the proper knowledge in your topic.
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posted on Jun, 13 2018 @ 06:44 PM
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Textio's analysis reveals that ads with lengthy bullet points detailing the role's responsibilities will face a drop-off in women applying for the job.


The role's responsibilities suggest to me that there is, in all liklihood, no work/life balance and this is another turn off for women or men who have family obligations, of which, these obligations still seem to land in the woman's lap.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

Reminds me of the Kramer vs Kramer scene when Ted Kramer gets fired because of conflicting work/parental duties after he gets custody of his son.



posted on Jun, 13 2018 @ 06:47 PM
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a reply to: InTheLight

people who are turned off by knowing what the job entails are not people I want to hire

it must be a great weeding process




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