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originally posted by: HiddenWaters
That is why science reared its ugly head-prove your vision, otherwise I do not have to worship your version of reality!
originally posted by: ISeekTruth101
a reply to: majickJimi
Yes well the planet in question is irrelevant, merely an example of how there are far older celestial bodies nearby than the earth.
For curiosity's sake it's exoplanet candidate Kapteyn b.
I purposely chose a celestial body in our own galaxy so as to hint at the possibility of an alien civilisation far superior to us being a stones throw away from an alien's perspective. Had they been looking, digging and monitoring just like us, we would no doubt have had contact at some point, rather quickly.
In reference to your post which essentially focuses on human space exploration as a measuring stick of progress towards finding alien life in the cosmos... well advanced aliens would have found us quicker with technology that's million's of years beyond humans!
originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: majickJimi
A useful space warp cannot be created by the motion of the craft. There are two reasons for this. In order to have a useful space warp, it has to be similar in dimensions to those described in modern thinking on the subject, ergo a kind of warp drive, or what is also known these days as an Albecurrie drive, after the boffin who showed that it would be possible to propel a craft that way, rather than just surmising its practicality as a plot device in a science fiction show.
Otherwise, its more like a cavitation effect, and creating a bubble of warped space that just encompasses the object does nothing for it. The effect needs to be precisely modulated and controlled, not just a result of initial acceleration. Also, there is no reason discussing space warp related propulsion, unless we are looking to reach and indeed EXCEED the speed of light at some point. The reason I say that, is that space is large, and our lifetimes are short, and I for one do not accept the premise that the best we can do, is to accept the limitations of generational ships, where people live and die for hundreds of years, before finally arriving at a destination worth going to.
We can, and must, have a future which contains FAR better turnaround time than that.
originally posted by: ISeekTruth101
a reply to: majickJimi
Ok, so you confirm then to your knowledge, in our Galaxy, there is no planet where an Alien civilisation may have progressed to be millions of years ahead of us in terms of technology. Or at least you confirm the probability is very low?
The planet or star is irrelevant, because I simply wanted to state the above possibility. I admire your knowledge on celestial bodies, but the detail you went into detracted from my obvious point - we're unlikely to be the most advanced species in our galaxy if we aren't the only ones in our galaxy or universe even. Meaning we would discovered some tangible evidence of contact with alien life by now as they would have reached us many times/long ago/ left some trail.
originally posted by: majickJimi
originally posted by: ISeekTruth101
a reply to: majickJimi
Ok, so you confirm then to your knowledge, in our Galaxy, there is no planet where an Alien civilisation may have progressed to be millions of years ahead of us in terms of technology. Or at least you confirm the probability is very low?
You should have read the post you are replying to, if you had you would have seen a comment about 82 Eridani; an 11+ billion year old star that is of an appropriate stellar class (Class G...like Sol)
And the probability I mentioned was for significant (evolved / higher life) existing around a Class M star
The planet or star is irrelevant, because I simply wanted to state the above possibility. I admire your knowledge on celestial bodies, but the detail you went into detracted from my obvious point - we're unlikely to be the most advanced species in our galaxy if we aren't the only ones in our galaxy or universe even. Meaning we would discovered some tangible evidence of contact with alien life by now as they would have reached us many times/long ago/ left some trail.
Actually, Earth may be far more likely to be one of the most advanced civilizations in this "sector" of space (say within 150ly or so). In our galaxy; prolly not so much, but, I will hasten to add, that there prolly aren't ANY that are significantly more advanced than Earth. As in; no species or civilization more than several hundred years more advanced, anything more than that would probably be unrecognizable, and may not fit the "construct" of civilization as we know it.
There is a nearly 15,000 year history of alien contact, complete with artifacts; all you need do is accept. There are also modern artifacts that are, in my opinion, undeniable; such as the Hill case and Betty's "map".
originally posted by: neoholographic
I say Alien life must exist because the universe is fine tuned to for life to exist. We look at this in the wrong way.
originally posted by: majickJimi
You should have read the post you are replying to, if you had you would have seen a comment about 82 Eridani; an 11+ billion year old star that is of an appropriate stellar class (Class G...like Sol)
And the probability I mentioned was for significant (evolved / higher life) existing around a Class M star
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Actually, Earth may be far more likely to be one of the most advanced civilizations in this "sector" of space (say within 150ly or so). In our galaxy; prolly not so much, but, I will hasten to add, that there prolly aren't ANY that are significantly more advanced than Earth. As in; no species or civilization more than several hundred years more advanced, anything more than that would probably be unrecognizable, and may not fit the "construct" of civilization as we know it.
There is a nearly 15,000 year history of alien contact, complete with artifacts; all you need do is accept. There are also modern artifacts that are, in my opinion, undeniable; such as the Hill case and Betty's "map".
originally posted by: ISeekTruth101
I asked you a very simple question, in fact I went out of my way to word my question as simply and directly as possible, yet you still managed to convolute your response and beat around the bush. I'm not concerned with ANY class planet, a simple answer would be YES or NO backed up with a single statement expressing why.
I asked for the probability of ANY advanced ALIEN species in our Galaxybesides our own,
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Why are you talking about sector? In my original question I emphasised 'Galaxy' not sector. I can't fathom why you cannot answer any question directly, it shouldn't be that hard unless you want to hide the truth about the matter.
"Anything more than a hundred years may not fit the construct of 'civilisation"
Why? because you say so? again side stepping the original question which references 'advanced species' lets safely assume that an 'advanced' species still act as collective population for all intensive purposes. Otherwise how did they progress to become advanced in the first place if not acting collectively...
No there is not 15 000 years of alien contact, just from your perspective and maybe a select few others (minority)
None of what you mention counts as evidence, it is just baseless interpretation that's reaching too far to justify a slim possibility.
All those accounts and artefacts are deniable, I could take a Star Trek film back in time and they would use it as definitive proof of alien civisilations - it's all imagination and conjecture with no real proof.
It is obvious now that you are a hardheaded alien believer who isn't open to the possibility that complex life only exists on earth. We can part ways on this topic now.
originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar
Without life the universe would still exist.
originally posted by: Jay-morris
This is all quite pointless. No one knows! My opinion is I believe there is a good chance life is out there in the universe, but it is just an opinion. Until we find evidence, then no one knows for sure.
originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
originally posted by: Jay-morris
This is all quite pointless. No one knows! My opinion is I believe there is a good chance life is out there in the universe, but it is just an opinion. Until we find evidence, then no one knows for sure.
What about those who have seen saucers up close with non human creatures walking around? I have seen creatures and a craft in 1987. I have ex-military relatives who have seen things they thought was just fantasy until they saw it.
I think your statements are true, but only for main stream academia and such. They of course won't even study these things because that would just be crazy.
For myself this question has long been answered, and I don't need a consensus pat on the back to feel legitimate about it. That's okay too.