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originally posted by: SummerRain
originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: neoholographic
What? "...the universe is fine tuned for life to exist"?
Since when? The universe is full of all kinds of radiation, flying rocks, small dust particles so fast they put a hole in the strongest materials, explosions everywhere, ....
Earth is fine tuned for life. That much is true. But take away the Moon and the magnetic core and you get a wobbling rock without seasons and atmosphere.
How many planets have we found with magnetic core and a moon, or something similar that keeps the axis stable?
None. If you don't mind me answering my own question.
From the fires of chaos, emits an eternal spark. life. human. the vagrant virus that consumes all.
originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Azureblue
What about the obsession of thinking finding life on another plant rules out there is a spiritual/higher plain of existence that is more spiritual in the context of lack of physical body than a material existence?
I what to be more defined by my spirit than my biological functions?
Talk about being closed minded to different forms of existence and what dimensions it can habitat.
Aliens almost certainly exist but humans should avoid making contact, Professor Stephen Hawking has warned.
Prof Hawking said: "To my mathematical brain, the numbers alone make thinking about aliens perfectly rational.
"The real challenge is to work out what aliens might actually be like."
But many current theories suggest that dark energy should be much more plentiful than this across the multiverse. Most universes should have an abundance of dark energy that is around a million, billion, billion, billion, billion, billion, billion times larger than in our universe. But if dark energy were this abundant, the universe would rip itself apart before gravity could bring together matter to form galaxies, stars, planets or people.
While our universe has a strangely low value of dark energy, it is this low value that makes our universe hospitable to life. The multiverse theory can help us explain why it is so low—there will always be some universes with unlikely values in an infinite multiverse.
Our computer model of the universe, the EAGLE project, has been successful at explaining the observed properties of galaxies in our universe. The simulations take the laws of physics and follow the formation of stars and galaxies as the universe expands after the Big Bang. The galaxies that emerge in our model look remarkably like those seen in the night sky through telescopes.
To our surprise, however, we discovered that baby universes with ten or even 100 times more abundant dark energy (compared to our own) produce almost as many stars and planets as our own universe. That means our own universe does not have a value of dark energy that is close to the maximum for life to exist. The effects of gravity are much more robust than we had previously thought. Life, it seems, would be rather common throughout the multiverse, perhaps a million, billion, billion, billion, billion more common that we previously thought.
We are forced to an uncomfortable conclusion. The value of dark energy we observe is far too unlikely for the multiverse to explain why we are here. It seems that a new physical law, or a new approach to understanding dark energy, is needed to account for the deeply puzzling properties of our universe. But the good news is that we are one step closer to cracking it.
originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: majickJimi
In most arcane schools "physical plane life" is considered to
be the biggest gift of all, and a rare opportunity that may
not be able to be 'fit into the schedule' for thousands of
years.. then you take a piece of crap opportunity and
do the best you can with it.
I'm not saying that I agree with that language, as it's rife
with delusion and misinformation with nearly every
word.. but I appreciate the sentiment that life should
be treated as precious.
However, the Bible says we are made in God’s image and likeness (Genesis 1:26). Man was immediately created a fully intelligent being about 6,000 years ago and was involved in craftsmanship shortly thereafter (Genesis 4:22). Since that time, even we have not been able to develop technologies advanced enough to travel to other star systems. If aliens were capable of developing incredible faster-than-light spaceships needed to get here, one would presume they must have been created with vastly superior intellect to ours—which would make them even more in God’s likeness in that sense than we are. Or, their creation is much older than the 6,000 years of the biblical six-day timeframe; the aliens were created before man and had sufficient time to develop their technologies. However, God created Earth on Day 1 and later the heavenly bodies on Day 4.
originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: bluemooone2
I do not believe it would be quite as simple as that. For a start, approaching light speed in a vehicle which has mass, or carries any cargo or payload containing mass, would be unable to approach lightspeed at all.
The only way to even contemplate operating a vehicle at light speed, is if the methodology for doing so involves altering the nature of the fabric of space time around the craft, in a very similar fashion to that which was first made popular in the science fiction series, Star Trek.
originally posted by: ISeekTruth101
a reply to: neoholographic
Why is it that you can't keep an open mind to both thoughts? That we could be the only ones, or that we can't?
Because logic dictates that there simply has to be life elsewhere in the universe?
Well there isn't a shred of evidence to say so thus far, and not because we haven't visited enough planets...