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Alien Life must exist according to the Laws of Physics

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posted on Jun, 11 2018 @ 12:50 PM
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a reply to: bluemooone2

I was discussing logical rhetoric format with Schuyler,
not faith.

If you've read any of my posts, you should know that
I POSTULATE that the Universe is filled with life..
just not organic life.

I'd like to either prove or disprove that POSTULATE.

So if people wanted to POSTULATE something similar
for organic life, and make a series of logical arguments
for it, that does not use a long laundry list of
logical fallacies..

I'm perfectly fine with that.

In fact maybe I'll do that some time, just to show that I'm
a good sport.

Kev




posted on Jun, 11 2018 @ 12:52 PM
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originally posted by: SummerRain

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: neoholographic

What? "...the universe is fine tuned for life to exist"?
Since when? The universe is full of all kinds of radiation, flying rocks, small dust particles so fast they put a hole in the strongest materials, explosions everywhere, ....
Earth is fine tuned for life. That much is true. But take away the Moon and the magnetic core and you get a wobbling rock without seasons and atmosphere.
How many planets have we found with magnetic core and a moon, or something similar that keeps the axis stable?

None. If you don't mind me answering my own question.


From the fires of chaos, emits an eternal spark. life. human. the vagrant virus that consumes all.


Sometimes what others say is down-right remarkable!

Thank you man; NO ONE could have said it better!



posted on Jun, 11 2018 @ 01:10 PM
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a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Was not laughing at you that's just my style. I love to postulate .



posted on Jun, 11 2018 @ 01:20 PM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

What would happen if a ship approached the speed of light? Mass would become massive indeed , and what increases with mass? Gravity of course. Now pop on a shield that could (may be two shields (one inside and one outside)
Drop the outside shield and pop into hyperspace? Something like that (It would take MASSIVE processing power to pinpoint where you exit however.)

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posted on Jun, 11 2018 @ 01:22 PM
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originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: Azureblue

What about the obsession of thinking finding life on another plant rules out there is a spiritual/higher plain of existence that is more spiritual in the context of lack of physical body than a material existence?

I what to be more defined by my spirit than my biological functions?

Talk about being closed minded to different forms of existence and what dimensions it can habitat.


In the schools I came up in (some of them anyway), what you refer to as "dimension" we call "Plane". Doing so allows the "physical" universe to have its usual 11 dimensions (height, width, length, time, etc.) and allows for the existence of three additional constructs with all the complexity we have on this physical plane. These are generally considered "higher" planes, but, they do encompass much more.

As physical living creations we, and all other life forms exist on all planes simultaneously, as sentient beings we are able to appreciate the complex abstraction that we are...i.e. a spiritual being, an astral being, a mental (thinking) being, as well as a physical one...

Could it be that Terrestrial Humans are one of the very few that actually have a working appreciation for this abstraction?
Could it be that ET is trying to learn this "Key of existence" from Terrestrials?



posted on Jun, 11 2018 @ 02:08 PM
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Here's a quote from Dr. Michio Kaku.

“Some scientists say that perhaps we are the only life forms in the universe. Give me a break! I mean, how many stars are there out there in the universe, anyway? The Hubble Space Telescope can see about a hundred billion galaxies — that’s the visible universe,” Kaku says on the alien TV special.

“Each galaxy consists of a hundred billion stars. Do the math. A hundred billion times a hundred billion is 10 sextillion. That’s one with 22 zeros after it. There definitely are aliens in outer space — they’re out there!”


Here's the conclusion Stephen Hawking reached based on the evidence.


Aliens almost certainly exist but humans should avoid making contact, Professor Stephen Hawking has warned.

Prof Hawking said: "To my mathematical brain, the numbers alone make thinking about aliens perfectly rational.

"The real challenge is to work out what aliens might actually be like."


news.bbc.co.uk...

This is based on the evidence. This is before the recent Mars news. We're early in our exoplanet search and still have 90% of Galaxies we haven't explored yet and we're already finding planets like Kepler 452-b:

HAS BEEN IN IT'S HABITABLE ZONE FOR 6 BILLION YEARS
EARTH SIZE PLANET
AROUND G2 STAR LIKE THE SUN
385 DAYS PER YEAR ORBIT


They found this:

Astronomers discover 7 Earth-sized planets orbiting nearby star

www.cnn.com...

Why does the universe favor earth size planets? This is because it's fine tuned to do so. The universe is fine tuned for life, stars, moons, galaxies and more.

You can debate how it got that way some say God or some Intelligence while some say a multiverse even though the multiverse explanation is falling flat for an explanation of fine tuning.

In the last few decades, an increasingly popular theory has come to the fore. The multiverse theory suggests that our universe is just one of many in an infinite multiverse where new universes are constantly being born. It seems likely that baby universes are produced with a wide range of physical laws and fundamental constants, but that only a tiny fraction of these are hospitable for life. It would therefore make sense that there is a universe with the strange fundamental constants we see, finely tuned to be hospitable for life.

singularityhub.com...

Let me repeat that last part:

It would therefore make sense that there is a universe with the strange fundamental constants we see, finely tuned to be hospitable for life.

When anyone says the universe isn't fine tuned for life, IT'S A LIE! One of the reasons people rushed to the multiverse is because they couldn't explain why the universe is fine tuned for life. So if we're just a one universe out of a gazillion universes with different laws then that was supposed to explain things even though there's not a shred of evidence to support it. A multiverse of universes like ours or similar to ours makes sense because there has to be space we can't see where other observable pockets form. A multiverse with all of these different laws of physics is just Alice in Wonderland physics. Here's more:


But many current theories suggest that dark energy should be much more plentiful than this across the multiverse. Most universes should have an abundance of dark energy that is around a million, billion, billion, billion, billion, billion, billion times larger than in our universe. But if dark energy were this abundant, the universe would rip itself apart before gravity could bring together matter to form galaxies, stars, planets or people.

While our universe has a strangely low value of dark energy, it is this low value that makes our universe hospitable to life. The multiverse theory can help us explain why it is so low—there will always be some universes with unlikely values in an infinite multiverse.


singularityhub.com...

Here's the recent study:


Our computer model of the universe, the EAGLE project, has been successful at explaining the observed properties of galaxies in our universe. The simulations take the laws of physics and follow the formation of stars and galaxies as the universe expands after the Big Bang. The galaxies that emerge in our model look remarkably like those seen in the night sky through telescopes.

To our surprise, however, we discovered that baby universes with ten or even 100 times more abundant dark energy (compared to our own) produce almost as many stars and planets as our own universe. That means our own universe does not have a value of dark energy that is close to the maximum for life to exist. The effects of gravity are much more robust than we had previously thought. Life, it seems, would be rather common throughout the multiverse, perhaps a million, billion, billion, billion, billion more common that we previously thought.

We are forced to an uncomfortable conclusion. The value of dark energy we observe is far too unlikely for the multiverse to explain why we are here. It seems that a new physical law, or a new approach to understanding dark energy, is needed to account for the deeply puzzling properties of our universe. But the good news is that we are one step closer to cracking it.


singularityhub.com...

LOL, materialist are scrambling because our universe HAS NO CHOICE but to produce life based on the laws of physics. Just like it produces stars, moons, comets and more. We also have the laws that are fine tuned and a gazillion universes with different laws is a fantasy.

There has to be life spread out throughout the universe and I think it's silly to even suggest that we're the only life in the universe when we're a type 0 civilization that has only been to the Moon.

THE EGO OF SOME HUMANS!!



posted on Jun, 11 2018 @ 04:14 PM
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a reply to: majickJimi

In most arcane schools "physical plane life" is considered to
be the biggest gift of all, and a rare opportunity that may
not be able to be 'fit into the schedule' for thousands of
years.. then you take a piece of crap opportunity and
do the best you can with it.

I'm not saying that I agree with that language, as it's rife
with delusion and misinformation with nearly every
word.. but I appreciate the sentiment that life should
be treated as precious.



posted on Jun, 11 2018 @ 04:16 PM
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a reply to: bluemooone2

I was just responding logically.. what you were doing is entirely
up to you.



posted on Jun, 11 2018 @ 04:38 PM
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originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: majickJimi

In most arcane schools "physical plane life" is considered to
be the biggest gift of all, and a rare opportunity that may
not be able to be 'fit into the schedule' for thousands of
years.. then you take a piece of crap opportunity and
do the best you can with it.

I'm not saying that I agree with that language, as it's rife
with delusion and misinformation with nearly every
word.. but I appreciate the sentiment that life should
be treated as precious.


Not sure what schools you are referring to, but in mine the physical is simply the end of a long journey; mine like everybody else here has been 14 billion+ years...and counting. This physical existence isn't some gift, but rather the end phase of a long evolution. As Monads (our True selves, that essential spark that makes us each unique) we seek "experience" whether it be in some "piece of crap" life, or one that we enjoy, it makes no difference, all we seek is experience (of ALL types), and hopefully we learn and evolve from that experience.

As for the delusion and misinformation; that is mostly due to each persons inability to adequately explain what they perceive...a problem we each have. Often this is due to a failure of language, and sometimes a failure of ego.



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posted on Jun, 11 2018 @ 06:14 PM
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a reply to: majickJimi

A lot of schools use that monad language and you are speaking
of a very commonly used narrative.

I don't find that language helpful.

At best, I'm sure you would agree, language is
a golden chain.

but being mush-headed, entirely intuitive is also
not helpful.

If we are indeed little sparks that emanated from the "divine"
(terrible language.. almost worthless, but I have no choice
but to use them if I'm to speak with you in your frame of reference),

I feel that homecoming is not a matter of individual choice,
as the word "individual" is extremely problematic, but a
'group choice', though the word "group" is extremely problematic.

If one were to know "everything" they could barely speak about
anything without causing delusion.

That's why it is recommended by the best of teachers not to
discuss a great many matters at all... the "student" (bad word)
will either come to understand in time, or they won't... though
a bit of finger pointing at the moon and general principles can
be imparted... but as 'life' is a 'group effort', one can but do
ones best.

A messy business this stuff.

Kev



posted on Jun, 11 2018 @ 08:40 PM
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you guys.. I tell ya what..... Life this, life that.

we are a computer simulation on some guys desk, who imputed some variables and pressed enter..... He would have terminated program already..... but he is digging on the porn were making.



posted on Jun, 11 2018 @ 11:03 PM
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creation.com...

here is another view.

Yeah yeah, God stuff but it's as good as anything else.





However, the Bible says we are made in God’s image and likeness (Genesis 1:26). Man was immediately created a fully intelligent being about 6,000 years ago and was involved in craftsmanship shortly thereafter (Genesis 4:22). Since that time, even we have not been able to develop technologies advanced enough to travel to other star systems. If aliens were capable of developing incredible faster-than-light spaceships needed to get here, one would presume they must have been created with vastly superior intellect to ours—which would make them even more in God’s likeness in that sense than we are. Or, their creation is much older than the 6,000 years of the biblical six-day timeframe; the aliens were created before man and had sufficient time to develop their technologies. However, God created Earth on Day 1 and later the heavenly bodies on Day 4.


creation.com...

I believe there are planets with life, vibrant life, fantastical planets like Zur-rich and Jurassic park.

Brownies, ET, Puppeteers or Predators, not so much.

I been wrong before, believe it or not, tho.






posted on Jun, 12 2018 @ 06:05 AM
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a reply to: bluemooone2

I do not believe it would be quite as simple as that. For a start, approaching light speed in a vehicle which has mass, or carries any cargo or payload containing mass, would be unable to approach lightspeed at all.

The only way to even contemplate operating a vehicle at light speed, is if the methodology for doing so involves altering the nature of the fabric of space time around the craft, in a very similar fashion to that which was first made popular in the science fiction series, Star Trek. Although the show hand waved an awful lot of the precise mechanisms and power requirements to make that happen, the fundamentals of the idea of warping space in front and behind a craft, with a region of unmodified space between those two warps in space time, WOULD be, from a theoretical point of view, possible. What you are suggesting would not.

The reason being, is that you are suggesting somehow having the craft attain relativistic velocity by way of collapsing warp fields, which would simply not work. The fields would have to be active in order to allow significant acceleration in the first place, and even then, the acceleration would only be relative to other objects, not the space immediately local to the craft, because in all the models which actually seem to work, a stable area of "normal" space, MUST be maintained around the craft at all times.



posted on Jun, 12 2018 @ 08:42 AM
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Why is it that you can't keep an open mind to both thoughts? That we could be the only ones, or that we can't?

Because logic dictates that there simply has to be life elsewhere in the universe?

Well there isn't a shred of evidence to say so thus far, and not because we haven't visited enough planets...


Universe is older than earth, and earth is older than 4 billions years....

You can then apply the same 'logic' and say that other civilizations elsewhere in the universe (if they exist) could be far superior to our own having had the chance to develop much earlier, developing all the wonderful techniques (that you can't even imagine) to chart the stars and seek out other life... like our hubble telescope etc

And yet here we are, the earth has been around for a (long) while and there is no credible evidence of aliens having visited earth or made contact, at some point in our history, and even if they did visit us at one point, why have they not returned?

I'm open to the possibility, but I'm also open to the possibility that we are the only ones in the universe, maybe they will turn up some day, I just think it's highly unlikely, and not in my life time, so then why should I care so deeply about alien life and shunt other peoples opinions?

We have all this science and knowledge and we're looking elsewhere to consume new information, but we don't take a step back to realise just how damn perfect things are on earth to support life - which the earth has done for a long time without fail.



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posted on Jun, 12 2018 @ 08:52 AM
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a reply to: neoholographic

“Some scientists say that perhaps we are the only life forms in the universe. Give me a break! I mean, how many stars are there out there in the universe, anyway? The Hubble Space Telescope can see about a hundred billion galaxies — that’s the visible universe,” Kaku says on the alien TV special." - kaku as referenced by user "neoholographic"


Yeah and that's just the hubble telescope.... what about a supposed alien civisilation that has a 1 billion year headstart on us, or 500 million, or even a few million. We would not even be able to comprehend the type of hubble telescope they have.

Given how far humanity has come in the past 100 years with regards technology, it's a safe bet that an Alien civilization could be watching you eat breakfast from across the galaxy and yet there has been no recorded history of alien contact, and even with our listening satellites and monitoring technology, we haven't found any credible indication of space communique or "chatter".
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posted on Jun, 12 2018 @ 09:46 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: bluemooone2

I do not believe it would be quite as simple as that. For a start, approaching light speed in a vehicle which has mass, or carries any cargo or payload containing mass, would be unable to approach lightspeed at all.

The only way to even contemplate operating a vehicle at light speed, is if the methodology for doing so involves altering the nature of the fabric of space time around the craft, in a very similar fashion to that which was first made popular in the science fiction series, Star Trek.


And just what do you imagine that ALL that mass will do to local spacetime?

ANY moving mass "warps" space in the manner you speak of (compression in front, decompression behind), and while there hasn't been any experiments, or math to show this, other than the work of Christian Doppler, the phenomenon is quite well known, even to small children.

So...what is it that happens when One approaches light speed?



posted on Jun, 12 2018 @ 09:53 AM
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originally posted by: ISeekTruth101
a reply to: neoholographic

Why is it that you can't keep an open mind to both thoughts? That we could be the only ones, or that we can't?

Because logic dictates that there simply has to be life elsewhere in the universe?

Well there isn't a shred of evidence to say so thus far, and not because we haven't visited enough planets...




Not a shred of evidence...Ever hear of the "Hill abduction" event? That is where Betty Hill claimed to have been abducted and offered a simple drawing as evidence. You should fully investigate that "drawing" (which she claimed was a copy of a map)...and you prolly should do that before you respond!

Oh, and it isn't "just because" logic dictates there must be life elsewhere, but rather that the Mathematics demands it!
And, that is just from a simple probability study based on current knowledge.

So, please put away your tired old arguments, and join the modern world.

ETA: Did you know that the greater part of Human knowledge, at least as far as science and technology goes has been learned in the past 50 years, and not the past 100 as you seem to think. AND, it has ALL happened since the invention of the microporcessor, and BECAUSE of it.


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posted on Jun, 12 2018 @ 10:25 AM
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Ah, well that is the beauty of it, you see.

The local area immediate to the craft is kept in a normalised state, with the pushing and pulling warps on either side, so that immediate area will place the craft in an area of spacetime which is not under undue strain. The warped areas of space either side will be stretched/compressed as is necessary to achieve the effect desired, but other than that remain unscathed, since the elasticity of spacetime permits them to flex back into their normal arrangement, once the warp bubble as passed them over.

This means two very important things... first, the craft, relative to the local area of space kept normal around it, is not moving very quickly. If you ever look at one of the models which describe how a space warp drive would move a vessel, you will see that the vessel is kept quite slow, relative to the normal space between the two bubbles of warped space. Its the stretched space and the compressed space which seem to be passing by quickly, because their topography has been so strongly altered by the warp effect. This means that as far as the craft is concerned, its mass never approaches the speed of light, meaning that its energy never has to be infinite, which is the main stumbling block that massive objects have when attempting to beat the speed of light.



posted on Jun, 12 2018 @ 11:02 AM
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Well, actually, I wasn't referring to modern thought oh space-warp drive systems, they typically require some sort of exotic energy and technology. What I'm talking about is a very simple, normal machine that does the same thing.

You are aware, I hope, that when an object approaches light speed it is only its "apparent" mass that increases (or as they say: "inertial mass"). To the object, and anything attached to it, nothing has changed except for velocity.

There is no "warp bubble" since one is not required, only the extreme velocity of the object, and it is this velocity, along with its inertial mass that creates the space warp...and probably at a velocity noticeably less than light speed.

I'm kind of thinking that the "drive technology" for this would be far easier than trying to artificially create enough mass to warp space-time.



posted on Jun, 12 2018 @ 11:13 AM
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a reply to: majickJimi

No, you see, thats where things get tricky.

If you create a physical object with mass, then try to accelerate it to the speed of light, you will reach a point where its energy becomes infinite and that basically means a cataclysmic, explosive end to your experiment, at best. And at no point will that mass carrying object actually cross the threshold of actually arriving at the speed of light, regardless of how hard you push it. Also, its worth pointing out that in order to get the object moving at even a fraction of the desired speed, you would need FANTASTICAL amounts of energy, such that no mechanism exists which could manage it.







 
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