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I'm not a Trump supporter silly. Something that a partisan cult member such as yourself will never understand.
I'm an America supporter.
You are obviously not.
The nice part is in America, we can agree to disagree.
I'm sorry that you are so invested in your ideology that you can't see past the politics.
Fortunately for America and people like myself, you are not only in the minority, your party is shrinking... slowly dissolving into history every post you make. Much like a cancer that is going into remission.
Which is again, good for America.
I'm not a Trump supporter silly. Something that a partisan cult member such as yourself will never understand.
That's something that is apparently very hard for some people to wrap their heads around... and it makes their position sound silly to most of the rest of us. I'm not a Republican either, but try to get certain people to understand that.
That's something that is apparently very hard for some people to wrap their heads around... and it makes their position sound silly to most of the rest of us. I'm not a Republican either, but try to get certain people to understand that.
“It is well enough that the people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.” - Henry Ford
If someone supports Trump, they are a Trump supporter, are they not?
I am not implying that Lumenari is a Republican.
In fact, most of the Republicans I know distrust Trump.
Trump's supporters on ATS seem obsessed with defending the man and attacking his critics, rather than defending his policies.
originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Lumenari
My family was Independent during my youth (of course, that didn't stop them from primarily voting Democratic, lol) and I have continued that tradition to this day. There have been times when I would vote for every single Democrat on the ballot; there have been times when I voted for every single Republican on the ballot. Never did I take the easy way out and vote for the party. I am proud of that. Every race makes me stop and think: who is this person? What do they stand for? What kind of job do I expect them to do? Screw the party... that's just a bunch of fancy doings to try and franchise a candidate to get free votes.
I support Trump because I am a proponent of both a secure border and legal immigration; because I believe less regulation means more business, more jobs, more opportunity, and a stronger economy and country; because I believe excessive taxation is a detriment to the economy and my personal opportunities; because I believe peace is only possible when one is strong enough to defend themselves; because I believe the trade deals spanning the last few decades have been poisonous to the American economy rather than helpful; because I believe the government is corrupt and he scares the holy bejeezus out of both parties.
If you want to get into personality, I think Trump is a bloated bag of hot air supporting an ego big enough to blot out the sun if deployed in orbit, the dictionary definition of arrogance, and probably someone I would like to knock some sense into if we were to ever really meet. He is a Yankee real estate tycoon, for crying out loud! I'm a redneck and a research engineer... not much in common there. But I didn't vote for a friend; I voted for a President... and so far I think he is doing a fantastic job overall.
So it amazes me how easily some people try to insist that I am somehow worshiping this man.
I saw a YouTube video some time back about why Luther Strange didn't win the nomination despite Trump's endorsement... the only one I have seen to get it right to date. The populist movement that propelled Trump into the White House isn't about Trump any more than a nice wave off the coast is about a single surfer. It's about stopping the labeling, the false accusations, the political correctness, and the sheer idiocy that surrounds politics now. Trump just rode the wave; he doesn't control it. We the people control it.
TheRedneck
If someone supports Trump, they are a Trump supporter, are they not?
Only in your world.
I support most of Trump's policies. Not all, just most. I also support anyone, regardless of name or political affiliation, who is falsely attacked. Thus, your box you wish to put people in is not adequate to the task, and it causes you to make false assertions.
I am not implying that Lumenari is a Republican.
No, your accusation? implication? was they are a "Trump supporter." As your previous sentence demonstrates, that must mean they support everything Trump does, regardless of personal opinion, no?
Trump's supporters on ATS seem obsessed with defending the man and attacking his critics, rather than defending his policies.
When an attack is personal ("Trump lies" or "Trump is a petulant child"), of course a defense is personal as well. Few of the statements I see decrying Trump's policies last very long until personal attacks on the man begin to creep in as well. Thus, a defense to those unsubstantiated attacks will be a personal defense of the man.
That's sort of how debate works...
Take for example this thread itself. Trump's administration has pressed charges against a "deep state" leaker, BUZZ! James Wolfe. He is called that because his allegiance BUZZ! appears to not be to the people of America BUZZ! or even to America itself, but to the established government BUZZ! which many believe is corrupt (including me). BUZZ BUZZ BUZZ BUZZ BUZZ!
But instead of policy-based rebuttals, we have lists of supposed lies that Trump has told and accusations of Trump being "petulant." These posts are not coming from the more conservative members, but rebuttals certainly are.
Wolfe is actually not charged with leaking classified information. He is charged only with lying to the FBI when he denied having contact with certain reporters.
The indictment suggests that the FBI investigation was launched because classified information showed up in an article by one of the reporters, but it does not explicitly say that he gave any reporter classified information.
originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: carewemust
Strategically left out of the OP:
Wolfe is actually not charged with leaking classified information. He is charged only with lying to the FBI when he denied having contact with certain reporters.
The indictment suggests that the FBI investigation was launched because classified information showed up in an article by one of the reporters, but it does not explicitly say that he gave any reporter classified information.
OP's source.
Those are odd claims. Someone who has uncritical support for an individual is, by definition, a supporter.
Trump is not being falsely attacked, he is being criticized both for his policies which are driving a wedge between ourselves and our allies, and his person, which is erratic and dishonest.
Where were you when every other thread on ATS was disseminating false news about Hillary Clinton?
I'm sanguine about the FBI Flat foots getting it right with Wolfe. He may have just been doing his job as he sees it. If his little honey comes in with wild but accurate leaks, and then he does some damage control, by tuning it way down-----?
Sessions, yes, Mr. Jefferey B.S., has been a disaster as A.G. Why think it just changed??
originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: carewemust
Strategically left out of the OP:
Wolfe is actually not charged with leaking classified information. He is charged only with lying to the FBI when he denied having contact with certain reporters.
The indictment suggests that the FBI investigation was launched because classified information showed up in an article by one of the reporters, but it does not explicitly say that he gave any reporter classified information.
OP's source.