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The Follies of Activism

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posted on Jun, 8 2018 @ 05:10 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Eh? I couldn't justify a rapists cause.
I am an activist for good things...as it seems you really are inside your heart.




posted on Jun, 8 2018 @ 05:12 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: RowanBean




That, my friend, is called being an activist.


It's called being a friend.
I'm a friend to all my fellow humans if the cause can be justified.





I'm a friend to all my fellow humans if the cause can be justified.


I differ on that point. I'm no friend of rapists, racists, nor authoritarians for example.

Lolwut? "If the cause can be justified"? I guess you misread his comment.



posted on Jun, 8 2018 @ 05:13 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope



and impeding the lives of others is not vital to a functioning society, and is in fact antithetical to it


And yet you wrote in th eOP



If activism was acceptable, non-threatening and routine behaviour, it would have no sway over those in power


So which is it? Does it sway those in power or not?

In fact by suggesting the above you havent even defined your idea of what constitutes a functioning society.

An oligarchy extracting blood from labourers doing 80 hour weeks would constitute a functioning society if words are to have a common meaning in your post.



posted on Jun, 8 2018 @ 05:15 PM
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originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Eh? I couldn't justify a rapists cause.
I am an activist for good things...as it seems you really are inside your heart.


I'm an advocate of freedom, sure, and will support any just cause. However, I will not be caught dead chanting, holding placards, and marching arm-in-arm with groups of people I do not know for the sake of some cause.



posted on Jun, 8 2018 @ 05:17 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

you wrote


Your word salad is tasting more

and then


resembles thousands of years of sophistry.


hmmm. LOL



posted on Jun, 8 2018 @ 05:17 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

We're finding common ground fella, that is good



posted on Jun, 8 2018 @ 05:18 PM
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a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight




So which is it? Does it sway those in power or not?


It obviously does, but for all the wrong reasons. Activism is, as I stated, varying degrees of coercion, meaning that corporations, governments and so on, acquiesce to demands for reasons of public relations, to avoid violence, to avoid boycott, and for the sake of order, not because you have convinced them how wrong and unjust their actions are.



posted on Jun, 8 2018 @ 05:20 PM
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originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

you wrote


Your word salad is tasting more

and then


resembles thousands of years of sophistry.


hmmm. LOL



And I have yet to understand a single point you've made. Word salad.



posted on Jun, 8 2018 @ 05:24 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

What do you suggest we do instead of being activists?



posted on Jun, 8 2018 @ 05:24 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope



I never said it was reminiscent of the KKK. Is lying all you have left?


You're right, not reminiscent but equal to!

These are your words or do you deny them?


If activism is direct, vigorous action towards a goal of social improvement, that would also include your average Islamist revolutionary, KKK Clansman, fascist and socialist dictator.


Whats happening here. Do words have no meaning any longer?



posted on Jun, 8 2018 @ 05:25 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

But take Monsanto in 90's UK, the government could have done us over but they didn't, they told Monsanto to pay for their own security knowing they couldn't afford enough SIA badges on their test crop sites.
The UK govt sided with us in the civil disobedience just couldn't admit it, that was the understanding of most people involved in the protests at that time.
Like I said, we had undercover cops, bribes, and blackmail, but the government didn't crack down on us. It could be a massive conspiracy in ten years.
...when it all comes out in the wash lol
edit on 8-6-2018 by CornishCeltGuy because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 8 2018 @ 05:32 PM
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What do you suggest we do instead of being activists?


Two things I suppose I would suggest:

One: "If we could change ourselves, the tendencies in the world would also change. As a man changes his own nature, so does the attitude of the world change towards him" - Gandhi

In other words, we each have to change ourselves, not others.

Two: To live, as Vaclav Havel wrote, "as if", like how Rosa Parks lived as if a working black woman was free to sit at the front of a bus, or how Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn wrote as if a scholar could investigate the history of his own country and publish his findings.



posted on Jun, 8 2018 @ 05:32 PM
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What about activism over the internet, say the activism of cooperation where people boycott a certain product or boycott advertisers that support a product? Would that be a different idea?

I can see where mass concentrations of activists are there more for themselves versus the actual cause. Kind of like a hormone/chemical rush of involvement, even if it doesn't accomplish anything. But if it is peaceful, is it still bad? Is it a form of deception?

If you had to replace mass organized in person activists, what would you replace it with?

My apologies if that has been covered already.



posted on Jun, 8 2018 @ 05:34 PM
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a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight




Whats happening here. Do words have no meaning any longer?


Yes, I said the KKK were activists. I never denied that. What I didn't do was use "the worst examples in order to paint scrubbing as a whole as "Nazi-like" and reminiscent of the KKK. " Do you not understand the difference between the two? And second, is english your second language?



posted on Jun, 8 2018 @ 05:35 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

That Gandhi's opinion. No evidence that changing oneself will affect others to betterment.

Rosa Parks is a beautiful example of peaceful activism.



posted on Jun, 8 2018 @ 05:36 PM
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When people are making noise and blocking traffic in the streets, there are real people actually making the necessary changes


Which changes are they? And what gives you the idea that they are "real" and by implication the protesters are "unreal'
Show me how these evolving changes that you claim, dont just reside in your head.



posted on Jun, 8 2018 @ 05:37 PM
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originally posted by: ClovenSky
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

What about activism over the internet, say the activism of cooperation where people boycott a certain product or boycott advertisers that support a product? Would that be a different idea?

I can see where mass concentrations of activists are there more for themselves versus the actual cause. Kind of like a hormone/chemical rush of involvement, even if it doesn't accomplish anything. But if it is peaceful, is it still bad? Is it a form of deception?

If you had to replace mass organized in person activists, what would you replace it with?

My apologies if that has been covered already.


I prefer anything that isn't self-serving, and that doesn't involve impeding the lives and rights of others. I do not believe the means justify the ends. Further, slow, incremental reform is the correct means of progress.



posted on Jun, 8 2018 @ 05:37 PM
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I just realized the irony in the OP. The OP is a form of activism to get people think activism is a bad thing.




posted on Jun, 8 2018 @ 05:38 PM
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originally posted by: RowanBean
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

That Gandhi's opinion. No evidence that changing oneself will affect others to betterment.



Do you really believe that or are you trying to win a point?



posted on Jun, 8 2018 @ 05:39 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: amazing




But are you saying those women shouldn't have been activists? What should they have done to get the right to vote? That's the question really?


I'm not saying that. I'm saying that activism isn't always a one to one ratio with the romantic gesticulations we often ascribe to it.


But I'd say it's a 5050 proposition based on intent. Sometimes, yes we get all bent out of shape on issues that aren't that important or end up being way to "liberal" or "fascist' or "Communist" or "insane" or "Religious" but the other 50% of the time it's something that does need to change. That's the danger of your post, it tells people or you're trying to convince people that all activism is bad, when it's not. Sometimes it's necessary. This was your first post on the thread even indicating that you were open to the idea that sometimes you have to be the impetus for change...ergo Activism!




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