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The Follies of Activism

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posted on Jun, 11 2018 @ 01:27 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

The definition of activism has been pointed out to you many times in this thread.
The OP just doesn't like any activism at all mate, lost cause, he should live in the UK and bow to the queen like a good peasant subject lol


I would much rather bow then engage in groupthink and narcissism. Have fun making signs no one will read.

Wow, you'd bow to a monarch before choosing activism. No wonder Monsanto won in the US, we didn't bow to them in the UK and they pulled out defeated by we the people and we have no GM crops.

You seem weak and subservient to me.


No, i’d bow to a monarch before I march with the likes of you.

You seem herd-like and bovine to me.
Wow, you'd bow before a monarch before joining fellow citizens in activism against a common cause.
No wonder Monsanto owns the US but pulled out of Britain if your attitude is typical. Activism won, the people won, and I am proud to say I was part of it. No GM crops in the UK solely because of activism and civil disobedience destroying their test crops.
All UK organic farms are truly organic, no cross pollination from GM crops. All because of activism.
Yes, you sound submissive and subservient to your corporate masters. People like you do not represent any romantic ideas of 'the land of the free', more perhaps 'land of the apathetic'.


I’m not American. But I’d much rather live there than to swim around in that nanny, surveillance-state fishbowl you call home.
Lol, yes, so oppressed our civil disobedience kicked out one of the most powerful corporations in the world. A nation where cops mostly have sticks, private security isn't even allowed sticks, LMAO, we are so not oppressed here, which is why activism works.
You'd bow to a monarch before joining your citizens in a common cause, YOU are the apathetic subservient one, certainly not Brits.
Where do you live anyway, just curious, I always thought you were from the US.


You also helped limit the amount of choices for the average citizen, and gave the state more power over private affairs.
What choices? GM food? The overwhelming majority of Brits don't want GM crops grown here. We had the backing of the public, the police, and I dare to say the government as well because they COULD have cracked down on us, but they didn't.
Monsanto lost to the people, and activism alone won that victory.
...and how exactly did we give the state more power over private affairs? We were fighting a corporation and got arrested frequently. Released a few hours later with no further action and cops saying 'sorry, just had to do our job but we agree with your cause' but it could have gone either way.
No, you are someone who will just bend over and take it, while activist Brits will not.
Hunting foxes for hours with dogs would still be legal without us activists disrupting hunts and breaking the law, I guess you'd just go 'meh, I'm not a fox' and that cruel sport would still happen today.
I am proud to be an activist, not a bowing scraping peasant subject as you are.


You’re fear-mongering efforts on GM foods is unscientific. Not only are you wrong to want to do away with GM foods, but you’d run to the government restrict the choices of others.
Stick to the topic of your own thread, activism, not the scientific arguments about GM crops.
The point is that activisim in the UK scored a massive victory over Monsanto...I am proud to have been part of that and I hold my criminal convictions as badges of honour. (2X lame arsed fines of £200)

EDIT
Both were "Criminal damage namely crops owned by..."
I am proud of that. We beat them, let other nations be the crash test dummy's


My point is it may have been a win for you, but a great loss to your country, to the consumer, to the producer, to free markets, and to freedom in general.
Dude, stay on-topic about activism, not the myriad causes people protest about.
Can you verify that the expulsion of Monsanto from the UK harmed any of the overwhelming majority of citizens who supported us as we destroyed the test crops?




posted on Jun, 11 2018 @ 01:31 PM
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originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

So you deny that their activities helped force these issues to the forefront?



Do you claim that people come to learn about these things from activists?



posted on Jun, 11 2018 @ 01:35 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I think its pretty obvious what I'm saying; despite being initially labelled as crackpots by MSM etc their activities helped force environmental and ecological issues to the forefront and raise public awareness.

Do you deny that?



posted on Jun, 11 2018 @ 01:38 PM
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a reply to: Freeborn

Lol true, he's whining about activism generally though.
I'm proud of every arrest and conviction for causes I believe in.



posted on Jun, 11 2018 @ 01:40 PM
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originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I think its pretty obvious what I'm saying; despite being initially labelled as crackpots by MSM etc their activities helped force environmental and ecological issues to the forefront and raise public awareness.

Do you deny that?



Yes I do.



posted on Jun, 11 2018 @ 01:41 PM
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originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: Freeborn

Lol true, he's whining about activism generally though.
I'm proud of every arrest and conviction for causes I believe in.


And that speaks to the self-promoting and self-aggrandizing aspects of activism.



posted on Jun, 11 2018 @ 01:45 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: Freeborn

Lol true, he's whining about activism generally though.
I'm proud of every arrest and conviction for causes I believe in.


And that speaks to the self-promoting and self-aggrandizing aspects of activism.

Yep, I'm proud we can't legally hunt foxes with hounds until they can run no more, as sport, and I'm proud that we have no GM crops here after kicking Monsanto out.
I'm proud to be an activist.



posted on Jun, 11 2018 @ 01:47 PM
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a reply to: CornishCeltGuy




Yep, I'm proud we can't legally hunt foxes with hounds until they can run no more, as sport, and I'm proud that we have no GM crops here after kicking Monsanto out. I'm proud to be an activist.


I'm not sure stomping one's feet, making noise, and being a general annoyance until the government makes something illegal is something to be proud of. No offence.



posted on Jun, 11 2018 @ 01:50 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

You would bow to a monarch over joining your fellow citizens in a common cause though, you admitted it previously, I'll quote you if you deny it.
YOU are the submissive subservient one fella, not me, or any other Brit activists.



posted on Jun, 11 2018 @ 01:52 PM
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a reply to: CornishCeltGuy


I know, I'm just using that as one example from the many where activism has made a positive change.

Like far too many today across the political / social divide he seems so keen to stereotype, pigeon hole and lump people / causes together.

Without activism we'd stagnate.
Perhaps that's what he wants?

Many self-proclaimed activists I've met have been incredibly boring and closed to any opposing opinion regardless of how well presented, but I'll defend their right to protest and actively pursue their particular cause celebre.

I'll always be prepared to stand up for my opinions and beliefs and I've never ran away from anything or anyone in my life!


edit on 11/6/18 by Freeborn because: grammar



posted on Jun, 11 2018 @ 01:57 PM
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a reply to: CornishCeltGuy




You would bow to a monarch over joining your fellow citizens in a common cause though, you admitted it previously, I'll quote you if you deny it. YOU are the submissive subservient one fella, not me, or any other Brit activists.


That's right; I would bow to a monarch before engaging in your mob mentality, your group think, your tribalism.



posted on Jun, 11 2018 @ 01:57 PM
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a reply to: Freeborn




I know, I'm just using that as one example from the many where activism has made a positive change.


If you inform yourself through the propaganda of activists, there is no telling where they can lead you.



posted on Jun, 11 2018 @ 02:01 PM
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Isn't people bowing to a monarch group think and tribalism? LOL.

It's so Orwellian.



posted on Jun, 11 2018 @ 02:01 PM
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a reply to: Freeborn

Yes mate

I'm currently hoping right now that post-Brexit none of my EU mates have problems, we've already made 'written on the back of a drinks mat' plans that we'll swap houses and apartments, then physically fight immigration if it comes to it.
All Brit mates backing up our EU mates.



posted on Jun, 11 2018 @ 02:03 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

So please give us the benefit of your insight and explain to us exactly how the ecological and environmental issues that Greenpeace, Friends of the Earth etc were actively protesting about went from being represented as crackpot ideas to being viewed as scientifically valid concerns?

Anyone but the most biased and close minded who lived through those times will accept that their continued, non-stop activism helped force those issues to the very forefront of society.



posted on Jun, 11 2018 @ 02:04 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

I love my tribe...you have no idea how much I love my tribe!



posted on Jun, 11 2018 @ 02:04 PM
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a reply to: RowanBean




Isn't people bowing to a monarch group think and tribalism? LOL.


It's called courtesy and manners.



posted on Jun, 11 2018 @ 02:05 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: RowanBean




Isn't people bowing to a monarch group think and tribalism? LOL.


It's called courtesy and manners.

Yes. It's called courtesy and manners when your king orders you to kill people for no reason without protest.



posted on Jun, 11 2018 @ 02:07 PM
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originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

So please give us the benefit of your insight and explain to us exactly how the ecological and environmental issues that Greenpeace, Friends of the Earth etc were actively protesting about went from being represented as crackpot ideas to being viewed as scientifically valid concerns?

Anyone but the most biased and close minded who lived through those times will accept that their continued, non-stop activism helped force those issues to the very forefront of society.


If you inform yourself through propaganda campaign and activism it is likely you do not view the world accurately.



posted on Jun, 11 2018 @ 02:09 PM
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a reply to: RowanBean




Yes. It's called courtesy and manners when your king orders you to kill people for no reason without protest.


I was speaking about bowing.



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