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The Follies of Activism

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posted on Jun, 10 2018 @ 08:05 PM
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originally posted by: RowanBean
The whole OP can be summarized like this:
"I think activism is stupid and it serve no purpose and it can be as bad as Nazi activists or any other bad activisms."


Actually my argument is three fold:

Activism isn’t always good. Activism isn’t always for the sake of others. Often enough activism is wholly counter-productive.




posted on Jun, 10 2018 @ 08:06 PM
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originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: RowanBean

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

The definition of activism has been pointed out to you many times in this thread.
The OP just doesn't like any activism at all mate, lost cause, he should live in the UK and bow to the queen like a good peasant subject lol


I would much rather bow then engage in groupthink and narcissism. Have fun making signs no one will read.

I'm just back in to say that your comment is an incredibly hilarious irony because you put a picture of people holding up signs in your OP and we read those signs.



Those aren’t actual activists, by the way.


What are "actual activists?"


Generally people who use “vigorous campaigning to bring about political or social change.”



"Vigorous." Would you not support their right to do so [vigorously campaign for change]?


trampling on the rights of others, they can do what they wish.


Do those rights include the right to discriminate?




Yes.


Does a person have the right to not be discriminated against?


No.



posted on Jun, 10 2018 @ 08:06 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope



Activism isn’t always good.

So activism can be good?



posted on Jun, 10 2018 @ 08:07 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: RowanBean

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

The definition of activism has been pointed out to you many times in this thread.
The OP just doesn't like any activism at all mate, lost cause, he should live in the UK and bow to the queen like a good peasant subject lol


I would much rather bow then engage in groupthink and narcissism. Have fun making signs no one will read.

I'm just back in to say that your comment is an incredibly hilarious irony because you put a picture of people holding up signs in your OP and we read those signs.



Those aren’t actual activists, by the way.


What are "actual activists?"


Generally people who use “vigorous campaigning to bring about political or social change.”



"Vigorous." Would you not support their right to do so [vigorously campaign for change]?


trampling on the rights of others, they can do what they wish.


Do those rights include the right to discriminate?




Yes.


Does a person have the right to not be discriminated against?


No.

So Jews had no right?



posted on Jun, 10 2018 @ 08:08 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: RowanBean

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

The definition of activism has been pointed out to you many times in this thread.
The OP just doesn't like any activism at all mate, lost cause, he should live in the UK and bow to the queen like a good peasant subject lol


I would much rather bow then engage in groupthink and narcissism. Have fun making signs no one will read.

I'm just back in to say that your comment is an incredibly hilarious irony because you put a picture of people holding up signs in your OP and we read those signs.



Those aren’t actual activists, by the way.


What are "actual activists?"


Generally people who use “vigorous campaigning to bring about political or social change.”



"Vigorous." Would you not support their right to do so [vigorously campaign for change]?


trampling on the rights of others, they can do what they wish.


Do those rights include the right to discriminate?




Yes.


Does a person have the right to not be discriminated against?


No.


Why not?
edit on 10-6-2018 by Liquesence because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 10 2018 @ 08:08 PM
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originally posted by: RowanBean
a reply to: LesMisanthrope



Activism isn’t always good.

So activism can be good?


I think it leans more on the ruinous side than good. I don’t see any benefit besides public relations and coercive politics.



posted on Jun, 10 2018 @ 08:09 PM
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originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: RowanBean

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

The definition of activism has been pointed out to you many times in this thread.
The OP just doesn't like any activism at all mate, lost cause, he should live in the UK and bow to the queen like a good peasant subject lol


I would much rather bow then engage in groupthink and narcissism. Have fun making signs no one will read.

I'm just back in to say that your comment is an incredibly hilarious irony because you put a picture of people holding up signs in your OP and we read those signs.



Those aren’t actual activists, by the way.


What are "actual activists?"


Generally people who use “vigorous campaigning to bring about political or social change.”



"Vigorous." Would you not support their right to do so [vigorously campaign for change]?


trampling on the rights of others, they can do what they wish.


Do those rights include the right to discriminate?




Yes.


Does a person have the right to not be discriminated against?


No.


Why?


Discrimination is a precious faculty.



posted on Jun, 10 2018 @ 08:10 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: RowanBean
a reply to: LesMisanthrope



Activism isn’t always good.

So activism can be good?


I think it leans more on the ruinous side than good. I don’t see any benefit besides public relations and coercive politics.

By your standards women and black people would still be second class today.



posted on Jun, 10 2018 @ 08:13 PM
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originally posted by: RowanBean

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: RowanBean
a reply to: LesMisanthrope



Activism isn’t always good.

So activism can be good?


I think it leans more on the ruinous side than good. I don’t see any benefit besides public relations and coercive politics.

By your standards women and black people would still be second class today.


That’s a highly counterfactual claim.



posted on Jun, 10 2018 @ 08:17 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: RowanBean

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: RowanBean
a reply to: LesMisanthrope



Activism isn’t always good.

So activism can be good?


I think it leans more on the ruinous side than good. I don’t see any benefit besides public relations and coercive politics.

By your standards women and black people would still be second class today.


That’s a highly counterfactual claim.

Probably but your claim is that women and black people can get their rights by other means other than activism in the same time frame. That's quite a claim.



posted on Jun, 10 2018 @ 08:18 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: RowanBean

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

The definition of activism has been pointed out to you many times in this thread.
The OP just doesn't like any activism at all mate, lost cause, he should live in the UK and bow to the queen like a good peasant subject lol


I would much rather bow then engage in groupthink and narcissism. Have fun making signs no one will read.

I'm just back in to say that your comment is an incredibly hilarious irony because you put a picture of people holding up signs in your OP and we read those signs.



Those aren’t actual activists, by the way.


What are "actual activists?"


Generally people who use “vigorous campaigning to bring about political or social change.”



"Vigorous." Would you not support their right to do so [vigorously campaign for change]?


trampling on the rights of others, they can do what they wish.


Do those rights include the right to discriminate?




Yes.


Does a person have the right to not be discriminated against?


No.


Why?


Discrimination is a precious faculty.


You'll have to explain that one. Only the *privileged* can appreciate it?

Or is there something better?



posted on Jun, 10 2018 @ 08:38 PM
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originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: RowanBean

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

The definition of activism has been pointed out to you many times in this thread.
The OP just doesn't like any activism at all mate, lost cause, he should live in the UK and bow to the queen like a good peasant subject lol


I would much rather bow then engage in groupthink and narcissism. Have fun making signs no one will read.

I'm just back in to say that your comment is an incredibly hilarious irony because you put a picture of people holding up signs in your OP and we read those signs.



Those aren’t actual activists, by the way.


What are "actual activists?"


Generally people who use “vigorous campaigning to bring about political or social change.”



"Vigorous." Would you not support their right to do so [vigorously campaign for change]?


trampling on the rights of others, they can do what they wish.


Do those rights include the right to discriminate?




Yes.


Does a person have the right to not be discriminated against?


No.


Why?


Discrimination is a precious faculty.


You'll have to explain that one. Only the *privileged* can appreciate it?

Or is there something better?


One has to have the freedom to discriminate between one thing or another. That goes for everyone.



posted on Jun, 10 2018 @ 08:57 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: RowanBean

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

The definition of activism has been pointed out to you many times in this thread.
The OP just doesn't like any activism at all mate, lost cause, he should live in the UK and bow to the queen like a good peasant subject lol


I would much rather bow then engage in groupthink and narcissism. Have fun making signs no one will read.

I'm just back in to say that your comment is an incredibly hilarious irony because you put a picture of people holding up signs in your OP and we read those signs.



Those aren’t actual activists, by the way.


What are "actual activists?"


Generally people who use “vigorous campaigning to bring about political or social change.”



"Vigorous." Would you not support their right to do so [vigorously campaign for change]?


trampling on the rights of others, they can do what they wish.


Do those rights include the right to discriminate?




Yes.


Does a person have the right to not be discriminated against?


No.


Why?


Discrimination is a precious faculty.


You'll have to explain that one. Only the *privileged* can appreciate it?

Or is there something better?


One has to have the freedom to discriminate between one thing or another. That goes for everyone.



One has to have the freedom and right to not be discriminated against by another. That goes for everyone.



posted on Jun, 10 2018 @ 08:59 PM
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originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: RowanBean

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

The definition of activism has been pointed out to you many times in this thread.
The OP just doesn't like any activism at all mate, lost cause, he should live in the UK and bow to the queen like a good peasant subject lol


I would much rather bow then engage in groupthink and narcissism. Have fun making signs no one will read.

I'm just back in to say that your comment is an incredibly hilarious irony because you put a picture of people holding up signs in your OP and we read those signs.



Those aren’t actual activists, by the way.


What are "actual activists?"


Generally people who use “vigorous campaigning to bring about political or social change.”



"Vigorous." Would you not support their right to do so [vigorously campaign for change]?


trampling on the rights of others, they can do what they wish.


Do those rights include the right to discriminate?




Yes.


Does a person have the right to not be discriminated against?


No.


Why?


Discrimination is a precious faculty.


You'll have to explain that one. Only the *privileged* can appreciate it?

Or is there something better?


One has to have the freedom to discriminate between one thing or another. That goes for everyone.



One has to have the freedom and right to not be discriminated against by another. That goes for everyone.


Why?



posted on Jun, 10 2018 @ 09:02 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: RowanBean

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

The definition of activism has been pointed out to you many times in this thread.
The OP just doesn't like any activism at all mate, lost cause, he should live in the UK and bow to the queen like a good peasant subject lol


I would much rather bow then engage in groupthink and narcissism. Have fun making signs no one will read.

I'm just back in to say that your comment is an incredibly hilarious irony because you put a picture of people holding up signs in your OP and we read those signs.



Those aren’t actual activists, by the way.


What are "actual activists?"


Generally people who use “vigorous campaigning to bring about political or social change.”



"Vigorous." Would you not support their right to do so [vigorously campaign for change]?


trampling on the rights of others, they can do what they wish.


Do those rights include the right to discriminate?




Yes.


Does a person have the right to not be discriminated against?


No.


Why?


Discrimination is a precious faculty.


You'll have to explain that one. Only the *privileged* can appreciate it?

Or is there something better?


One has to have the freedom to discriminate between one thing or another. That goes for everyone.



One has to have the freedom and right to not be discriminated against by another. That goes for everyone.


Why?


Not being discriminated against is a precious right in a free society.



posted on Jun, 10 2018 @ 09:04 PM
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originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: RowanBean

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

The definition of activism has been pointed out to you many times in this thread.
The OP just doesn't like any activism at all mate, lost cause, he should live in the UK and bow to the queen like a good peasant subject lol


I would much rather bow then engage in groupthink and narcissism. Have fun making signs no one will read.

I'm just back in to say that your comment is an incredibly hilarious irony because you put a picture of people holding up signs in your OP and we read those signs.



Those aren’t actual activists, by the way.


What are "actual activists?"


Generally people who use “vigorous campaigning to bring about political or social change.”



"Vigorous." Would you not support their right to do so [vigorously campaign for change]?


trampling on the rights of others, they can do what they wish.


Do those rights include the right to discriminate?




Yes.


Does a person have the right to not be discriminated against?


No.


Why?


Discrimination is a precious faculty.


You'll have to explain that one. Only the *privileged* can appreciate it?

Or is there something better?


One has to have the freedom to discriminate between one thing or another. That goes for everyone.



One has to have the freedom and right to not be discriminated against by another. That goes for everyone.


Why?


Not being discriminated against is a precious right in a free society.


No it isn’t. No one has a right to not be discriminated against by another.



posted on Jun, 10 2018 @ 09:04 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: RowanBean

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

The definition of activism has been pointed out to you many times in this thread.
The OP just doesn't like any activism at all mate, lost cause, he should live in the UK and bow to the queen like a good peasant subject lol


I would much rather bow then engage in groupthink and narcissism. Have fun making signs no one will read.

I'm just back in to say that your comment is an incredibly hilarious irony because you put a picture of people holding up signs in your OP and we read those signs.



Those aren’t actual activists, by the way.


What are "actual activists?"


Generally people who use “vigorous campaigning to bring about political or social change.”



"Vigorous." Would you not support their right to do so [vigorously campaign for change]?


trampling on the rights of others, they can do what they wish.


Do those rights include the right to discriminate?




Yes.


Does a person have the right to not be discriminated against?


No.


Why?


Discrimination is a precious faculty.


You'll have to explain that one. Only the *privileged* can appreciate it?

Or is there something better?


One has to have the freedom to discriminate between one thing or another. That goes for everyone.



One has to have the freedom and right to not be discriminated against by another. That goes for everyone.


Why?


Not being discriminated against is a precious right in a free society.


No it isn’t. No one has a right to not be discriminated against by another.


No one has the right to discriminate, either.



posted on Jun, 10 2018 @ 09:06 PM
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This happens to be the most asinine thread I've read on ATS from the most pompous pseudo-intellectual poster here. Thanks for reminding me why I've migrated away from reading threads here.



posted on Jun, 10 2018 @ 09:06 PM
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originally posted by: Speedtek
This happens to be the most asinine thread I've read on ATS from the most pompous pseudo-intellectual poster here. Thanks for reminding me why I've migrated away from reading threads here.


Tell someone who cares.



posted on Jun, 10 2018 @ 09:09 PM
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originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: RowanBean

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: LesMisanthrope

The definition of activism has been pointed out to you many times in this thread.
The OP just doesn't like any activism at all mate, lost cause, he should live in the UK and bow to the queen like a good peasant subject lol


I would much rather bow then engage in groupthink and narcissism. Have fun making signs no one will read.

I'm just back in to say that your comment is an incredibly hilarious irony because you put a picture of people holding up signs in your OP and we read those signs.



Those aren’t actual activists, by the way.


What are "actual activists?"


Generally people who use “vigorous campaigning to bring about political or social change.”



"Vigorous." Would you not support their right to do so [vigorously campaign for change]?


trampling on the rights of others, they can do what they wish.


Do those rights include the right to discriminate?




Yes.


Does a person have the right to not be discriminated against?


No.


Why?


Discrimination is a precious faculty.


You'll have to explain that one. Only the *privileged* can appreciate it?

Or is there something better?


One has to have the freedom to discriminate between one thing or another. That goes for everyone.



One has to have the freedom and right to not be discriminated against by another. That goes for everyone.


Why?


Not being discriminated against is a precious right in a free society.


No it isn’t. No one has a right to not be discriminated against by another.


No one has the right to discriminate, either.


Yes we do. We discriminate who we associate with and don’t on a near daily basis.



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