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MGTOW is the lamest thing I've ever heard of

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posted on Jun, 7 2018 @ 12:57 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot
Since divorce rate in the US military isn't any higher than civilian rate then that seems unlikely. ... That article (or rather the one it links to) are talking about a specific subsection.


The RAND study you linked with data from 95-02 includes intelligence work and other areas where you have people in basically desk jobs. Comparing a paper pusher in the military to a paper pusher at a white collar desk job at an insurance company is obviously going to be about the same. People who deploy, where the are injuries and there is significant time away from home, are more likely to divorce for equally obvious reasons (as shown in the more recent article). That is why they did the segmented study and the results are as anyone would expect.


Probably going slightly off topic now but point being that attempting to blame suicide rate of veterans on divorce is quite a leap.


Divorce and infidelity. I have seen it happen firsthand to servicemen. It is not just a stat when you see it in person. The video is yet another testimonial of a platoon sergeant doing the same thing. Not a one off. To say it is a leap is disingenuous at best, invective at worst. This has been a trope in the military for almost a century with the WW2 Dear John letters. Interesting read though, by chance have you looked through the Families Under Stress: An Assessment of Data, Theory, and Research on Marriage and Divorce in the Military paper from the references? I'm interested to look more closely at the stats from the 2007 publication.





posted on Jun, 7 2018 @ 01:00 PM
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a reply to: olaru12

Ah I'm the same with her kids

It's a weird one with us, we both know it in our eyes but know it's forbidden to speak of.
She is my strangest love, we travelled the world together, just I didn't want kids killed it, in one conversation, sad, calm, no anger, just both knowing it had to end right there.
We never fell out of love with each other, she just couldn't be childless, she really is the strangest love of my life because of circumstances...I'm rambling now but love n all is a cool thing to ramble on about



posted on Jun, 7 2018 @ 01:06 PM
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originally posted by: Ruiner1978
Now, can anyone help me decide if the sex was sex I wanted but didn't get, or sex I got but didn't want?
Actually did laugh out loud reading that!


edit on 7-6-2018 by CornishCeltGuy because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 7 2018 @ 01:09 PM
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originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: olaru12

Ah I'm the same with her kids

It's a weird one with us, we both know it in our eyes but know it's forbidden to speak of.
She is my strangest love, we travelled the world together, just I didn't want kids killed it, in one conversation, sad, calm, no anger, just both knowing it had to end right there.
We never fell out of love with each other, she just couldn't be childless, she really is the strangest love of my life because of circumstances...I'm rambling now but love n all is a cool thing to ramble on about


We are so fortunate to know how to love women without those bullsh1t macho control issues that plague so many males.

And despite my mockery of the soyboys, I can feel their pain and can sympathize. The mind somehow distorts reality into a living hell.

edit on 7-6-2018 by olaru12 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 7 2018 @ 01:13 PM
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a reply to: projectvxn

I have always wondered at your motives and makeup. I wonder no more.

Thank you for being honest.




posted on Jun, 7 2018 @ 01:13 PM
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a reply to: olaru12

Weird right?

It's almost as if respecting yourself is equivalent to respecting others and vice versa.



posted on Jun, 7 2018 @ 01:17 PM
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a reply to: ClovenSky




I have always wondered at your motives and makeup.


Why?




I wonder no more.


Depends on what you got out of it.




Thank you for being honest.


You won't get anything less.



posted on Jun, 7 2018 @ 01:22 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: olaru12

Ah I'm the same with her kids

It's a weird one with us, we both know it in our eyes but know it's forbidden to speak of.
She is my strangest love, we travelled the world together, just I didn't want kids killed it, in one conversation, sad, calm, no anger, just both knowing it had to end right there.
We never fell out of love with each other, she just couldn't be childless, she really is the strangest love of my life because of circumstances...I'm rambling now but love n all is a cool thing to ramble on about


We are so fortunate to know how to love women without those bullsh1t macho control issues that plague so many males.
Yes, love is love to me, I love my male friends as my brothers, but my female friends, oh that love is so different and has different levels with every woman. It's deeper emotionally as well because, well women. I love the influence the women in my life make to my world.
I couldn't imagine anything bleaker than 'going my own way'.



posted on Jun, 7 2018 @ 01:25 PM
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originally posted by: Mishmashum

originally posted by: ScepticScot
Since divorce rate in the US military isn't any higher than civilian rate then that seems unlikely. ... That article (or rather the one it links to) are talking about a specific subsection.


The RAND study you linked with data from 95-02 includes intelligence work and other areas where you have people in basically desk jobs. Comparing a paper pusher in the military to a paper pusher at a white collar desk job at an insurance company is obviously going to be about the same. People who deploy, where the are injuries and there is significant time away from home, are more likely to divorce for equally obvious reasons (as shown in the more recent article). That is why they did the segmented study and the results are as anyone would expect.


Probably going slightly off topic now but point being that attempting to blame suicide rate of veterans on divorce is quite a leap.


Divorce and infidelity. I have seen it happen firsthand to servicemen. It is not just a stat when you see it in person. The video is yet another testimonial of a platoon sergeant doing the same thing. Not a one off. To say it is a leap is disingenuous at best, invective at worst. This has been a trope in the military for almost a century with the WW2 Dear John letters. Interesting read though, by chance have you looked through the Families Under Stress: An Assessment of Data, Theory, and Research on Marriage and Divorce in the Military paper from the references? I'm interested to look more closely at the stats from the 2007 publication.



Since no one is saying that divorce doest happens in the military anecdotes or video testimony doesn't really show anything other than individual heartbreak and bad luck.

The leap is linking the divorce rate as the cause higher rates of suicide.



posted on Jun, 7 2018 @ 01:30 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot
The leap is linking the divorce rate as the cause higher rates of suicide.
Also, attempting to link it to women as if it's solely their fault.
Just sounds like more whiny MGTOW talk to me.



posted on Jun, 7 2018 @ 01:36 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot
The leap is linking the divorce rate as the cause higher rates of suicide.



The University of California, Riverside conducted a study examining marital status and suicide within the previously completed National Longitudinal Mortality Study and found that divorced men and women are at a higher risk of suicide than married men and women. Divorced and separated persons were over twice as likely, in comparison to married persons. More specifically, the risk of suicide among divorced men was over twice as likely as that of married men, whereas in women, there was no statistical difference in married and divorced women.
mensdivorce.com...

Come again?
edit on 7-6-2018 by Mishmashum because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 7 2018 @ 01:41 PM
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a reply to: Mishmashum

Do you blame women for it?
I asked earlier when you were whining about divorce rates in the forces, do you blame women for that?



posted on Jun, 7 2018 @ 01:46 PM
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originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: Mishmashum

Do you blame women for it?
I asked earlier when you were whining about divorce rates in the forces, do you blame women for that?


Well it takes two to dance right? Only one whining is you, if I remember correctly.




posted on Jun, 7 2018 @ 01:46 PM
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originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: olaru12

Ah I'm the same with her kids

It's a weird one with us, we both know it in our eyes but know it's forbidden to speak of.
She is my strangest love, we travelled the world together, just I didn't want kids killed it, in one conversation, sad, calm, no anger, just both knowing it had to end right there.
We never fell out of love with each other, she just couldn't be childless, she really is the strangest love of my life because of circumstances...I'm rambling now but love n all is a cool thing to ramble on about


We are so fortunate to know how to love women without those bullsh1t macho control issues that plague so many males.
Yes, love is love to me, I love my male friends as my brothers, but my female friends, oh that love is so different and has different levels with every woman. It's deeper emotionally as well because, well women. I love the influence the women in my life make to my world.
I couldn't imagine anything bleaker than 'going my own way'.

It's a cracking tune though.



posted on Jun, 7 2018 @ 01:51 PM
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a reply to: Mishmashum

No mate, I've been taking the piss (mocking), big difference to whining lol



posted on Jun, 7 2018 @ 01:54 PM
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a reply to: Ruiner1978

Lol yes, although I'm more of an electronic house music type guy I do like that track.
But I like chick flicks and glitter eyeshadow on girls as well so what the # do I know lol



posted on Jun, 7 2018 @ 02:26 PM
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originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: Ruiner1978

Lol yes, although I'm more of an electronic house music type guy I do like that track.
But I like chick flicks and glitter eyeshadow on girls as well so what the # do I know lol

I like running mascara on girls...



posted on Jun, 7 2018 @ 02:37 PM
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originally posted by: Gazrok
OK, this old guy needed to look up MGTOW....

So, basically a bunch of virgins who can't get a gal, trying to make it SEEM as if it's a CHOICE?

Is that about right?

Hey, more power to 'em, probably doing the gene pool a favor....as well as cutting down on overpopulation.


It’s not just that, having seen some ATS posters talking about the meToo movement it’s blatantly obvious they have other serious issues

They can’t read body language is one of the biggest problems they have and I get the feeling they couldn’t read anyone regardless of their sex

Hopefully they won’t become sperm donors down the clinic



posted on Jun, 7 2018 @ 03:08 PM
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a reply to: Ruiner1978

Lol yes, that's usually after noticing their gorgeous glittery eye-shadow



posted on Jun, 7 2018 @ 03:15 PM
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originally posted by: Mishmashum

originally posted by: ScepticScot
The leap is linking the divorce rate as the cause higher rates of suicide.



The University of California, Riverside conducted a study examining marital status and suicide within the previously completed National Longitudinal Mortality Study and found that divorced men and women are at a higher risk of suicide than married men and women. Divorced and separated persons were over twice as likely, in comparison to married persons. More specifically, the risk of suicide among divorced men was over twice as likely as that of married men, whereas in women, there was no statistical difference in married and divorced women.
mensdivorce.com...

Come again?


Where does that reference a link between divorce rates in the militarily (which we still haven't established as higher) and suicide rates which what we were actually talking about.

Since you are cherry picking out of context let's be specific. You claim seems to be that the higher suicide rates amongst military personnel is caused by divorce. Have you anything to back up that claim?




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