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Cuomo wants to take law abiding citizens' guns away

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posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 10:42 AM
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nypost.com...

So, a top contender for 2020 for the Dems is at it again....

So, who decides what "troubled" means? Is it a kid diagnosed with depression? An introvert? Someone who wears black?

This man will take guns from parents who have done nothing wrong...even if they are locked in a safe.

This is the same man who signed a pact to give NYS electoral votes to whoever wins the popular vote, not who wins the state's vote...which violates the constitution.

www.governor.ny.gov...

Really, how can anyone vote for him for governor, much less president, when he willfully and obviously violates our constitution any chance he can get, just to push his socialist, progressive utopia?




posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 10:48 AM
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a reply to: theatreboy

Well people still vote for David Duke so......ya

Ohh and there is also Nathan Larson who is currently running for office. Shh don’t tell anyone I told you this but he likes rape and served 16 months in prison for threatening to kill our former president because he is black.

edit on 2/19/2013 by Allaroundyou because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 10:50 AM
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originally posted by: Allaroundyou
a reply to: theatreboy

Well people still vote for David Duke so......ya



But the GOP does not endorse Duke like the Dems do Cuomo...



posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 10:51 AM
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Teachers and school administrators would have the power to petition a judge to remove guns from the homes of troubled students under a measure pushed Tuesday by Gov. Cuomo.


I don't understand why they can't just make those parents, of hormonal troubled teens, keep their guns in a safe. They make huge safes, big enough to hold all their weapons.

All teens go through a troubled stage....it's silly to take away guns from all parents. Can't people just lock them up?????
(The guns, not the kids)



posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 10:54 AM
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Democrats or anyone that is anti 2nd Amendment don't like people that can fight back or put up any kind of resistance from the local and federal governments when they decide to come down hard on the average joe.

Like I have stated again and again. This has nothing to do with stopping mass shootings and only about total control over the citizens. They can put up that bs talk that its about protecting the children but I see the true monster for what it really is.
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posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 11:07 AM
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a reply to: Allaroundyou

Those idiots don't actually get elected to office though, because no one takes them seriously. Unlike the idiots that democrats routinely elect to run their states.



posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 11:19 AM
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a reply to: watchitburn

I feel like you are generalizing all of us into one idiot category. That is not very nice. I would certainly never vote for someone that advocates for taking our guns. I like mine and I assume you like yours. Please don’t let the likes of CNN and MSNBC speak on behalf of all of us DEMS. Those guys are full of themselves.



posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 11:28 AM
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a reply to: snowspirit

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

I don't understand why there can't be a law that makes a gun owner responsible for securing firearms and should a firearm they own be used to commit a crime, they're liable. If you're the head of a household with firearms, then you're on the hook for whatever damage is done with any of them.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 11:37 AM
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a reply to: snowspirit

I don't have any kids in the house. All my firearms are under lock and key and in a safe.

Why?

So, I leave town for a couple days and some dummie kids think its fun to break into the house and steal a TV or something. By the time they might find the safe, the alarm will have alerted the cops and the kids don't have time to try to figure out how break into the safe.

For my part, I'd suggest all responsible gun owners keep their guns in gun safes.

Just me I guess.



posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 11:38 AM
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a reply to: yeahright

See my post above. I totally agree!



posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 11:40 AM
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First they come for your "Assult Rilfes",
then they come for your standard size mags,
then they come for your semi-automatics,
then they come for your revolvers,
then they come for your single shooters,
then they come for anything that throws a projectile,
then they come for your hunting and utility knives,
then they come for your kitchen knives,
then you realized it's too late and you are just slaves to the state.



posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 11:54 AM
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originally posted by: snowspirit

Teachers and school administrators would have the power to petition a judge to remove guns from the homes of troubled students under a measure pushed Tuesday by Gov. Cuomo.


I don't understand why they can't just make those parents, of hormonal troubled teens, keep their guns in a safe. They make huge safes, big enough to hold all their weapons.

All teens go through a troubled stage....it's silly to take away guns from all parents. Can't people just lock them up?????
(The guns, not the kids)



The thing with that is that it falls back on the oft repeated adage if “enforce the laws we already have on the books before writing new ones”. After Sandy Hook Ny State passed the SAFEAct and one of the provisions of it was that all firearms owners must now have a lockable gun safe on premises they firearms are kept. Cuomo really thinks he knows what’s best for the entire state without being cognizant if the vast economic and social differences between NYC/Long Island and well, the rest of the state. I don’t think many people in the Bronx need to worry about coyotes, cot dogs or black bears like where I live upstate.

Emperor Cuomo’s regime has led some of the largest numbers of people moving out of NY since inwas born. My house is getting listed soon and we already have a new house in an State whose gun laws respect the Second amendment and Incan grow my own medicine without being a state sanctioned drug addict where I’m treated worse than a junky with random pill counts and urine tests because a small percentage of people sell their meds instead of taking them.

School year in NY ends June 22. Within a week Ill have my paperwork, ID etc... transferred over to Maine and be done with this cesspool of inbred politics.



posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 11:59 AM
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originally posted by: yeahright
a reply to: snowspirit

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

I don't understand why there can't be a law that makes a gun owner responsible for securing firearms and should a firearm they own be used to commit a crime, they're liable. If you're the head of a household with firearms, then you're on the hook for whatever damage is done with any of them.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.




That already is codified in NY under the SAFEAct. If I am negligent in how I store my firearms (they’re always locked in a safe unless being used, cleaned or maintained )and someone uses one in a crime, i too can face criminal as well as civil penalties. Adding on something else like this is just redundant and a Cuomo knows it. It’s just more pandering to the anti 2A crowd.



posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 12:10 PM
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I don't understand why they can't just make those parents, of hormonal troubled teens, keep their guns in a safe. They make huge safes, big enough to hold all their weapons.

They're relatively inexpensive these days as well. A small unit that can store a handgun and ammunition is less than $80.00. A larger unit that can handle just about any size rifle can be had for less than $250.00.

It's a good idea to bolt them to the floor though...

-dex



posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 12:32 PM
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originally posted by: yeahright
a reply to: snowspirit

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

I don't understand why there can't be a law that makes a gun owner responsible for securing firearms and should a firearm they own be used to commit a crime, they're liable. If you're the head of a household with firearms, then you're on the hook for whatever damage is done with any of them.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.




Likely because if I've done my due diligence and secured my firearms in my home (no children, stable Wife), safe or not, they are secured on “my” property where none shall trespass without a warrant. If someone breaks and enters into my home, steals my property and uses it nefariously, how am I responsible? That’s akin to saying if someone stole my truck from in front of my house and used it to mow down a crowd of people, I’d be legally liable.

That said, I do use a gun safe (actually two, and one in my truck) for my firearms, with one firearm always available in the event of break-in/home invasion.

Parents of injured/killed toddlers should be charged for not securing guns. Teens are a different ball game entirely (usually deviant enough to find ways access said safes). And in the end, who defines “troubled”? Is a 16 year old girl who just had her heart broken for the first time “troubled”. Is the all American QB who just blew the State championship “troubled”. Or is it only those who “look different”?

Glad that I will never have to set foot in NY or Kalifornistan, where freedom and guaranteed rights under the US Constitution are meaningless.


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posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 01:03 PM
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Time to bring back citizen grand jury. Not sure what people thought would happen if you give only one group the power of the law. But, here we are.

We could charge any politician for abuse of power, tyranny etc...

It'd stop this sh!t show in it's track.

The voting process is too slow, they get the damage done too fast for it.

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posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 02:39 PM
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originally posted by: theatreboy

This is the same man who signed a pact to give NYS electoral votes to whoever wins the popular vote, not who wins the state's vote...which violates the constitution.

While I think that such a move pisses on the will of the people of NYS, this in no way, whatsoever, violates the Constitution. The Constitution does not mandate how EC votes are to be made or distributed--that was purposefully left up to the states to decide.



posted on Jun, 7 2018 @ 10:47 AM
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originally posted by: Lab4Us
Likely because if I've done my due diligence and secured my firearms in my home (no children, stable Wife), safe or not, they are secured on “my” property where none shall trespass without a warrant. If someone breaks and enters into my home, steals my property and uses it nefariously, how am I responsible? That’s akin to saying if someone stole my truck from in front of my house and used it to mow down a crowd of people, I’d be legally liable.


The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

Like anything else, there are degrees and you can't write legislation as a one size fits all. I'm not a fan of the safe requirement. Leave specifics out of it. That's where legislation goes off the rails. People with incentive are way smarter than a legislature. However, someone who has secured their weapons in a safe or taken those sorts of precautions shouldn't be held to the same level of culpability as someone who has easily accessible weapons. Stolen by someone who breaks in is completely different than having a kid in the house who grabs a gun out of the closet.

Having a truck stolen is one thing. Starting the truck and leaving it running in front of a hostile crowd of maniacs with the driver's door open is another issue.

Having firearms on premises has to carry some responsibility with it. I'm not talking about a fine. I'm talking about being criminally liable if a member of the household uses a firearm kept in the house to commit a crime. If someone doesn't want to accept the burden, then don't have a gun.

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.




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