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C. Manning: Wellfare check in POLICE-STATE

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posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 02:01 AM
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What??


Shortly after Chelsea Manning posted what appeared to be two suicidal tweets on May 27, police broke into her home with their weapons drawn as if conducting a raid, in what is known as a “wellness” or “welfare check” on a person experiencing a mental health crisis.

Okay. Wellness style checking in. How?


The footage, captured by a security camera, shows an officer with the Montgomery County Police Department in Bethesda, Maryland, knocking on Manning’s door. When no one responds, the officer pops the lock, and three officers enter the home with their guns drawn, while a fourth points a Taser.

Obviously best way possible to deal with a depressed person. /s
Suicidal tweets be there or not, you do not go SWAT-style into a persons home!


“This is what a police state looks like,” Manning said. “Guns drawn during a ‘wellness’ check.”

And what does the police have to say to this?


Reached for comment, Montgomery County Police Captain Paul Starks at first questioned the authenticity of the footage. “Could someone send you a video that is inaccurate?” he asked, before changing course to, “How do you know nobody was home?”

Starks ultimately admitted that police conducted the check at Manning’s home after receiving calls from “concerned parties” who had seen her tweets. He said officers looked up her address and used a master key to get into the building, and that when they realized she wasn’t there they tried to locate her by using her phone. Starks did not reply to follow-up questions about how they attempted to track her phone.

“They responded to the address to check her welfare,” Starks said. “Once inside the residence they realized that the residence did not match the photo that was posted on Twitter. … We tried to determine where she may be by attempting to use her phone but the phone was powered off and they weren’t able to leave a message.”

Starks said that the decision to draw weapons “depends on the officer” who “makes the decision based on circumstances that are affecting that officer in that specific situation.” He added that the department has a dedicated crisis intervention unit, and that all officers in the department receive 40 hours of training in “dealing with people who may be having emotional episodes or issues,” but he failed to indicate whether the department sets guidelines on how to conduct welfare checks.

“They don’t know what kind of circumstances they are entering when they enter a home,” Starks said, increasingly flustered. “The fact that a weapon is drawn doesn’t mean that they are going to shoot it.”


Okaaay, they should get a second job-title there, something like "psychotherapist" or something..
Edit: forgot the source.
edit on 6 6 2018 by ManFromEurope because: (no reason given)




posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 03:10 AM
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Starks said, increasingly flustered. “The fact that a weapon is drawn doesn’t mean that they are going to shoot it.”


Don't aim a weapon unless you are going to use it to shoot.

Gun safety at its finest.

P



posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 03:21 AM
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originally posted by: pheonix358
a reply to: ManFromEurope




Starks said, increasingly flustered. “The fact that a weapon is drawn doesn’t mean that they are going to shoot it.”


Don't aim a weapon unless you are going to use it to shoot.

Gun safety at its finest.

P

Big difference between a weapon drawn and a weapon aimed
Check out the definition of the words .
You need it.



posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 03:33 AM
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I don't understand these people that ring the police to "check up" on someone they fear for....why not social services? or a medical professional? Knowing the trigger happy cops they would be the last people I would call if I hoped to see an ill friend alive again!!!



posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 03:45 AM
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having weapons drawn in that type of situation is a good thing. they have no clue what might happen. for all they know they will see the person sitting peacefully. in which case they can easily put their weapons away. on the other hand the person they are checking on could have a weapon ready to try to kill them with. in which case they are prepared to defend themselves. and posting pics about committing suicide, points to being mentally unstable, which makes it even more likely they might possibly try killing them in hopes of committing "suicide by cop". "fast drawing" a weapon is not a very realistic idea. while there might be a few who can draw fast enough and shoot accurately enough from a draw to save themselves, it is mainly only in movies where it actually works.



posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 05:54 AM
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originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
I don't understand these people that ring the police to "check up" on someone they fear for....why not social services? or a medical professional? Knowing the trigger happy cops they would be the last people I would call if I hoped to see an ill friend alive again!!!


first your clearly showing an anti cop bias with "trigger happy cops" comment

despite the propaganda there are tens of thousands of contacts between police and people where no one gets shot by "a trigger happy cop". In fact there are probably hundreds of contacts with police with weapons drawn and no one gets shot.

hell even with suicidal people there is not ANY VERIFIABLE PROOF that as GENERAL PRACTICE that a suicidal person will be killed by "trigger happy cops".
most unless they pose a CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER to others is lethal force used.

care to back up your comment with PROOF or do you use any post to repeat this easily disproved BS?

now on to your question why you dont call social services and/or "medical professionals" is because of THE LAW.

the law states that any of the services you state (be social workers, medical people , emts , ect) CANNOT ENTER a persons residence or building WITHOUT PERMISSION.

say a social worker is called to check on someone because the family thinks they are going to harm themselves.
they come to the house and see they have a gun to their head and screaming they are gonna kill themselves.

Unless the person lets them in BY LAW they cannot enter the residence.

By COMMON FIG SENSE no "medical professional" is going to go into that situation be with or without the person giving permission .

they are gonna CALL THE POLICE in both cases and in every case.

the police have the authority, the training and the tools to deal with a potentially deadly situation.

that is why almost all cases they call the police.

scrounger
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posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 06:13 AM
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I can’t help but wonder if this was a “missed opportunity” for the state to have an “accidental shooting” of Ms Manning. Lord knows this administration would love to kill a no good whistleblowing “Tranny”.



posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 06:18 AM
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originally posted by: RainbowPhoenix
I can’t help but wonder if this was a “missed opportunity” for the state to have an “accidental shooting” of Ms Manning. Lord knows this administration would love to kill a no good whistleblowing “Tranny”.


um....what?

yea the trump administration has on its to do list to arrange an accident resulting in death for manning

are you yanking our chains or are you serious?

so I can respond with either bad taste or you really are hating trump so use any excuse and blame him.

scrounger



posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 06:20 AM
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a reply to: ManFromEurope
Good ol' US of A

Cops coming to check your welfare......by pointing a gun at you.



posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 06:30 AM
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Am I mistaken or did Obama pardon him for treason?




posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 06:33 AM
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a reply to: scrounger

Its an opinion I don't need proof and stop nit picking you know exactly what I mean in light of many MANY recent events



posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 06:59 AM
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originally posted by: RainbowPhoenix
I can’t help but wonder if this was a “missed opportunity” for the state to have an “accidental shooting” of Ms Manning. Lord knows this administration would love to kill a no good whistleblowing “Tranny”.


Suicidal people can be dangerous. I guess you’ve never heard of suicide by police?



posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 07:31 AM
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1) Manning is a guy
2) if HE has a weapon, a taser is a safe and fast way to stop himself from hurting himself
3) if he was about to shoothimeslf he might want to take company with him, so not having a gun ready is a good way for a crazy person to kill a sane person
4) maybe if all the people were not patronizing him, and playing along with the crazy-I am a girl thing- he might have gotten the help he needed before he got this deep down crazy hole. Stop confusing patronazatiin with compassion



posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 07:49 AM
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a reply to: ManFromEurope

WTF does this mean, " and that when they realized she wasn’t there they tried to locate her by using her phone." ?

It sure seems like we live in a police state with warrant-less searches and other violations of Amendment rights.

This is next, "We couldn't find her but we picked up her face at this location from a surveillance drone. Then we used her RFID chip to locate her in the building."


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posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 07:52 AM
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a reply to: SocratesJohnson

if i have a depression and a bad day, first thing i want to see is a bunch of unknown people entering my home with heavy weapons! and, of course, i want people like you as a friend, because your warmth will help me through hard times.



posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 07:55 AM
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Glad I'm in the UK where if I go nuts I will be treated with a bit more compassion then in the states.
Last thing paranoid schizophrenic people want to see is armed cops weapons drawn when having a bad day.



posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 08:09 AM
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originally posted by: testingtesting
Glad I'm in the UK where if I go nuts I will be treated with a bit more compassion then in the states.
Last thing paranoid schizophrenic people want to see is armed cops weapons drawn when having a bad day.


I guess in the states shooting someone is better than paying out for their mental healthcare.

But maybe even the cost of a bullets could be considered too "socialist".....
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posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 09:30 AM
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a reply to: scrounger

hell even with suicidal people there is not ANY VERIFIABLE PROOF that as GENERAL PRACTICE that a suicidal person will be killed by "trigger happy cops".
most unless they pose a CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER to others is lethal force used.

Which, these days, you can be holding a grilled cheese sandwich and be considered a *switches to booming voice* CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER.

As for trigger happy cops, Google has given up the goods:

www.google.com...



posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 10:07 AM
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they have no clue what might happen.


the dumbass defense is not acceptable

if you enter a persons home uninvited with your gun drawn then you have a clue that someone will get shot.



posted on Jun, 6 2018 @ 10:59 AM
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In the town I live in trust me if someone is suicidal the worst thing they can do is have the police called .
In this town regardless of anything ( Just saying I wish I was dead in a bathing suit will get you lights - handcuffs county jail .) Once there death is possible in many ways Just this county has gotten good at covering up deaths in there jail .

Florida truly is the most corrupt state now they dont even send out summons for civil court And find against the person who was never even informed of a case ..
ps that is Nothing to do with me btw just someone i know who has been screwed by the system /.
and honstly I wont sya tehy were in the right or worng I j=will say tehy had a judgment against them without having a summons and that is IMPROPER court
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