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You Don't Have to Bake a Gay Cake - SCOTUS

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posted on Jun, 4 2018 @ 01:08 PM
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Frank Luntz
@FrankLuntz
I’m seeing a lot of headlines and tweets inaccurately describe today’s #SCOTUS decision. The Court ruled 7-2 that the baker didn’t get a fair shake at his state commission hearing, not that religion may always be invoked to refuse service to LGBT people.



Eugene Gu, MD
@eugenegu
The Supreme Court didn’t rule that the Christian bakers at Masterpiece Cakeshop had the right to refuse service to a gay couple. #SCOTUS ruled only that the Colorado Civil Rights Commission didn’t give them a fair hearing. 1st Amendment and equal rights issues remain unresolved.

Should clear up confusion here. And the headline is inaccurate.




posted on Jun, 4 2018 @ 01:08 PM
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a reply to: Edumakated

I don't think a business should be made to make anything they don't want to. At the same time I think everyone should be notified of that before they enter, so no time is wasted for anyone and no money is wasted on the court system.

So just like someone can put "No shirt, no shoes, no business." on their front door, and that's 100% ok, a cake maker can put "We don't make cakes for gay couples, or Satanists or Muslims." if they choose so.

Private businesses are private, they are not the government and therefore I believe they should be able to make their own decisions. At the same time, the public needs to know who they are supporting and giving their money to -- so if certain groups are excluded, I will not give money to that business.

Free market at its purest. Do business as you choose to, disclose everything and let the public decide whether to shop there or not. Easy-peasy.


Edit: However, if there is NO sign on the door to let the public know -- once they enter your shop, they're your customer, fair and square.
edit on 4-6-2018 by Kharron because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 4 2018 @ 01:09 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: DBCowboy

Don't you mean pupoose pouch?




He likes cake too.




posted on Jun, 4 2018 @ 01:09 PM
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Typical leftist.

I have a right to your money and services.

Its the basis for leftism
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posted on Jun, 4 2018 @ 01:11 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

Think of the children, please.


Too many fatty boombahs eating too much cake.






Someone say cake?

I didn't know there'd be cake!


It's in the gay break room.
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posted on Jun, 4 2018 @ 01:11 PM
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originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: Annee
I do support Creative Design.

When a gay couple orders a generic wedding cake from a catalog -- they should get it. Religious belief should not be a factor.

However, if they request 2 grooms on the cake or something written that the cake designer does not agree with -- that is violating Creative Design.

As -- no one should be forced to put Swastikas on a cake, etc.





But they ordered a custom cake.

You STILL havn't looked that up yet ?

😀


So you've said.

That's not what I remember.

But, if fact -- I support Creative Design.



posted on Jun, 4 2018 @ 01:11 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults

Typical rightist.

I have a right to impose my religious beliefs on you and discriminate against you.

It's the basis for rightism.



posted on Jun, 4 2018 @ 01:13 PM
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originally posted by: roadgravel

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

Think of the children, please.


Too many fatty boombahs eating too much cake.




Someone say cake?

I didn't know there'd be cake!


It's in the gay break room.

Where everyone is gay and happy?



posted on Jun, 4 2018 @ 01:15 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Edumakated

I don't know if this is good or not.

Sure, people should have the right to have their business how they want it. But where is that line drawn?



In reality, the court issued a very narrow ruling. The ruled for the baker based on a finding of animus on the part of the Colorado State Commission that brought the case. They felt it was evident that commission was biased against religion in their ruling.

So this was not a blanket judgment for religion, and left the door open to other cases exactly like this one to be brought back before SCOTUS.

This issue was not decided at all.



posted on Jun, 4 2018 @ 01:16 PM
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Consumer - Religious status / sexual orientation / skin color / ethnic status does NOT grant you special privileges over anyone else.

Business Owner - If you are going to provide a service, then do it and don't pick and choose who you like or don't like.

Fair enough right?



posted on Jun, 4 2018 @ 01:16 PM
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originally posted by: RowanBean

originally posted by: roadgravel

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

Think of the children, please.


Too many fatty boombahs eating too much cake.




Someone say cake?

I didn't know there'd be cake!


It's in the gay break room.

Where everyone is gay and happy?


Could be. I imagine there are sad people in any group though. Maybe we need two version of gay now.



posted on Jun, 4 2018 @ 01:19 PM
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originally posted by: WarPig1939
Consumer - Religious status / sexual orientation / skin color / ethnic status does NOT grant you special privileges over anyone else.

Business Owner - If you are going to provide a service, then do it and don't pick and choose who you like or don't like.

Fair enough right?


They you go bringing rational thought and logic into this situation.



posted on Jun, 4 2018 @ 01:19 PM
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a reply to: Annee

In actuality, it appears the baker refused to make the cake before any design or decoration was discussed.

mobile.nytimes.com...



posted on Jun, 4 2018 @ 01:20 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

This entire issue could be settled if people were polite.

Gay couples could say, "Well, we don't want to upset the religious folks, so we'll get our cake somewhere else".

And the bakeries could say, "Well, they are our customers. Let's be nice and bake them an awesome cake!"


But no.

We have to get courts involved. Politicians involved.

We are basically having the stupidest people on the frigging planet decide our major issues.



posted on Jun, 4 2018 @ 01:21 PM
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originally posted by: roadgravel

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

Think of the children, please.


Too many fatty boombahs eating too much cake.






Someone say cake?

I didn't know there'd be cake!


It's in the gay break room.



I'm dressed conservatively today.

Only 3 inch heels.

Is there a dress code?



posted on Jun, 4 2018 @ 01:22 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Because they have anti-discrimination law. You can sue for that. Don't like the law? Vote it away.



posted on Jun, 4 2018 @ 01:22 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Problem is that religion is serious business.

After all, it's dealing with forever.



posted on Jun, 4 2018 @ 01:24 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko




animus on the part of the Colorado State Commission

they are saying that the defense of the gayers was the problem here

if they want to bring such again they have to come up with a new defense that does not include hate toward christians

details will matter next time like did the gayers try to purchase at another bakery? did they choose the bakery specific to the bakers beliefs?

i do not see this arising again to the scotus level in this manner



posted on Jun, 4 2018 @ 01:24 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: roadgravel

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

Think of the children, please.


Too many fatty boombahs eating too much cake.






Someone say cake?

I didn't know there'd be cake!


It's in the gay break room.



I'm dressed conservatively today.

Only 3 inch heels.

Is there a dress code?


Dress code there? Ha. Only just don't dress too conservatively and avoid bland colors.



posted on Jun, 4 2018 @ 01:25 PM
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a reply to: howtonhawky

LOL. What the heck is a gayer?




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