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You Don't Have to Bake a Gay Cake - SCOTUS

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posted on Jun, 4 2018 @ 10:53 AM
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Religious liberty is #1 on the Big List.

Homosexual acts are verboten in some religions....period. Whether you or I agree with it, some religious doctrines mandate that it is a grave sin and this baker had every right to refuse to bake the cake the same-sex couple wanted. They had other options, other bakers that they could have taken their business to.

If I owned a book store, should I be forced to sell what I might consider porn even if you think it's not?

This was a good decision.




posted on Jun, 4 2018 @ 10:57 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Masterjaden
the 7 to 2 ruling should not be a surprise at all.


I thought it would be more of an ideological split as many recent cases have been.


I think it was the fact that it was a cake. The whole case was asinine and a can of worms.

This case will be used in reference for settling future disputes.

Curious what the talk on here would be if someone's wife goes into a gas station far from their religious attire for women and they say "sorry ma'am, no gas".

I think we could all take a guess. People act like things are black and white, but they're not.



posted on Jun, 4 2018 @ 11:04 AM
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a reply to: queenofswords


Homosexual acts are verboten in some religions....period. Whether you or I agree with it, some religious doctrines mandate that it is a grave sin


All sins are equal by Christianity though... Which again makes this case asinine and a waste of time.... It's a cake, who cares.

Let the sinless cast the first stone. If you believe in the Bible, someone who is obese from gluttony is a sinner the same as someone who chooses homosexuality.

You can cherry pick what you like out of the Bible, which is ironic.


Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly

-James 3:1

It's your kind of tripe that helped me become agnostic.



posted on Jun, 4 2018 @ 11:04 AM
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a reply to: queenofswords

There are a lot of things people do that are verboten in religion. I sure hope these bakers are requiring detailed questionnaires for customers to fill out, to make sure they "pass the religious test" before they sell to them.



posted on Jun, 4 2018 @ 11:08 AM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: queenofswords

There are a lot of things people do that are verboten in religion. I sure hope these bakers are requiring detailed questionnaires for customers to fill out, to make sure they "pass the religious test" before they sell to them.


That would be discrimination.

But the statement is brilliant !!

😎🛎



posted on Jun, 4 2018 @ 11:11 AM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Yes, we are talking about discrimination. And the Supreme Court just allowed it to happen. So they might as well go all the way now, and get all up into people's business before they sell anything to them.



posted on Jun, 4 2018 @ 11:15 AM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: queenofswords

There are a lot of things people do that are verboten in religion. I sure hope these bakers are requiring detailed questionnaires for customers to fill out, to make sure they "pass the religious test" before they sell to them.


The issue is that those other things are not being advertised...

For example, the baker isn't going to know you are a liar unless you tell him. He isn't going to know you are committing any other sins, unless you tell him.

By virtue of asking for a gay wedding cake, they were advertising to the world what they do in the bedroom and thus the baker decided he didn't want to be a part of it.

for example, I am black. If I were a baker and a white guy asks me to bake a cake; I'd bake the cake. No questions asked. For all I know, the guy could take the cake home and put a swastika candle on it. I don't know, it is a just a plain cake as far as I am concerned at that point. What he does after it leaves my store is none of my business, nor do I give a flip as long as I am paid.

However, if that guy came to me and said, "Bake me a cake with a swastika" he is now telling me what the purpose of said cake is and I'd refuse to bake the cake.

See difference?



posted on Jun, 4 2018 @ 11:15 AM
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All sins are equal by Christianity though...



Mortal sin is called mortal because it is the "spiritual" death of the soul (separation from God). If we are in the state of grace it loses this supernatural life for us. If we die without repenting we will lose Him for eternity.
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Venial sins are slight sins. They do not break our friendship with God, although they injure it. They involve disobedience of the law of God in slight (venial) matters.

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posted on Jun, 4 2018 @ 11:15 AM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker

Re-read my post. I did not say this was MY stance. I said, "whether you or I agree with it or not".

Reading comprehension..........a good endeavor to pursue.



posted on Jun, 4 2018 @ 11:18 AM
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a reply to: Edumakated

So if a gay couple asks for a plain white wedding cake, exactly the same cake as the straight couple ordered 5 minutes earlier...?



posted on Jun, 4 2018 @ 11:22 AM
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a reply to: queenofswords

Oh I read it.

Someone has religious liberty until it interferes with someone else's liberty.

As I've stated before, I really don't care who people sell cakes to. You don't need a cake. But mark my words, this case will decide many more. And it is going to take someone else's religious liberty over others.

As an agnostic I'd rather not have peoples interpretation of their own religions tamper with my liberty in any given way.

Can of worms I tell ya. This case was handled poorly to begin with. It was a cake and should have been dealt with in that context.



posted on Jun, 4 2018 @ 11:22 AM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Edumakated

So if a gay couple asks for a plain white wedding cake, exactly the same cake as the straight couple ordered 5 minutes earlier...?


I don't get the sense that is what was asked for...

If someone comes in and says give me a generic wedding cake, then the baker probably doesn't care. However, if they ask for a wedding cake that reads "Congrats Adam & Steve" then it is crossing the line for the baker.



posted on Jun, 4 2018 @ 11:26 AM
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a reply to: roadgravel

Cool, in that list is also gluttony, so where is the outrage on that? Hatred? Extreme anger?(all "grave sins")

Let the sinless cast the first stone. My whole point is people cherry pick. Everyone is guilty of grave sins.



posted on Jun, 4 2018 @ 11:26 AM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
So if a gay couple asks for a plain white wedding cake, exactly the same cake as the straight couple ordered 5 minutes earlier...?


The Court didn't rule on that, so I would think you'd be making a cake.



posted on Jun, 4 2018 @ 11:27 AM
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a reply to: Edumakated

My question would be, if the baker sells a cake to gays that doesn't have anything on it or he doesn't know they are gay, does he still go to hell?
edit on 4-6-2018 by MiddleInsite because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 4 2018 @ 11:30 AM
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a reply to: Edumakated

I think that is incorrect. I know for a fact that at least one of these cases involved the order of a very generic wedding cake. The problem with a gay couple is the same problem as a black person: it's hard to hide it. It's pretty obvious you are gay when you come in as a couple to order the wedding cake.



posted on Jun, 4 2018 @ 11:31 AM
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Establishment clause, they ruled narrowly because the state tried to force the guy to violate his religious beliefs. That's also why it was 7-2 because it was a narrow ruling, but a decisive decision, and their must have been some evidence that the baker was actually a religious person for it to turn out this way.



posted on Jun, 4 2018 @ 11:32 AM
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Wonderful... the baker''s civil rights were violated and hopefully the judicial system will help him be made whole again! So ironic that the people trying to draw attention to their own perceived rights were willing to sweep someone else's under the rug



posted on Jun, 4 2018 @ 11:33 AM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Well maybe I'm getting this case confused with another. If the problem was simply that the baker didn't want to decorate the cake in a specific way, he certainly has that right. Most of the cases I know about involved not wanting to bake any kind of wedding cake for a gay couple.



posted on Jun, 4 2018 @ 11:34 AM
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a reply to: CriticalStinker




Someone has religious liberty until it interferes with someone else's liberty.



Religious liberty is #1 on the Big List as I stated earlier. It is specifically enunciated in our Bill of Rights. Other liberties are general.

So, let's ask the question. What "liberty" or right is Big Enough to trump religious liberty?



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