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Trump attorneys' letter to Mueller spells out legal arguments ...

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posted on Jun, 2 2018 @ 05:21 PM
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With the improving economy and low unemployment I think charges and impeachment right now would start a civil war.




posted on Jun, 2 2018 @ 05:46 PM
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originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: Pyle

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: Pyle
GOP already set precedent that a president can be subpoenaed and deposed. Now they are trying to say he cant? Hum double standard?


Yeah, they had evidence that Clinton had done something he shouldn't have done, and even then he got impeached because he lied under his questioning, not because he had an affair. There is no precedence that can be brought forth from that, there is no evidence that Trump did anything illegal or colluded to even authorize a special council interveiw. Clinton was not forced to talk on the matter, he just went there and said I had no sexual relations with that girl.


Clinton was impeached for allegedly lying during a deposition (He didnt which is why he wasnt convicted). The alleged lie happened to be about his affair which had nothing to do with Whitewater. He was also subpoenaed before he voluntarily came in for the deposition after which the subpoenaed was pulled. Also you dont have to have evidence of wrong doing to interview subjects of investigations.


Clinton lied, he was impeached and was pardoned by the senate. He was guilty, that was evident by all evidence. You pardon people who are convicted, not people who are charged with a crime. Look it up, even Wiki talks about this on their site.


You need to read up on impeachment. The senate doesnt pardon people. The senate is a trial and they find people guilty or not guilty. The House is the indictment process where they decide if they have an impeachable situation and vote to pass it on to the senate for trial. House only requires >50% of members present to pass it to the senate. The senate then holds a trial which can include presentation of evidence and witnesses. The chief justice precised over the trial and if 2/3rd of members present vote for impeachment the person is immediately removed from office.



posted on Jun, 2 2018 @ 06:17 PM
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a reply to: Nickn3

More civil war predictions by the right? Big surprise. I won't be holding my breath for your fantasy war that will never happen.



posted on Jun, 2 2018 @ 08:10 PM
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This Muller investigation is nothing more than an attempted coup of the deep state to remove a duly elected president.



posted on Jun, 2 2018 @ 08:29 PM
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That would actually be fun to watch. If you believe everything written on ATS, etc, one side is armed only with AR15's, and the other only with bike locks, safe spaces and crying rooms...



posted on Jun, 2 2018 @ 08:41 PM
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a reply to: Sillyolme




Dear Robert Mueller Special Counsel for the Department of Justice.
.....
Sincerely, Juan Epsteins mother.


Seeing you are a legal expert, you realize you just published on the internet a fraudulent letter purporting to be someone you are not?

SillyOldYou



posted on Jun, 2 2018 @ 08:43 PM
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a reply to: Sillyolme




Mueller probably doesn't need an interview with trump. He is giving trump an opportunity to tell his side of the story.


Of course because they both have nothing better to do other than swap bedtime stories

LOL



posted on Jun, 2 2018 @ 08:52 PM
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a reply to: DanDanDat

It's a moot point because no one can be compelled to speak against themselves. The fifth amendment. He doesn't, nor does anyone EVER have to say anything to anyone about an investigation.

Only if you choose to take the stand can you be forced to testify to cross examination and you can ALWAYS plead the fifth.

Jaden



posted on Jun, 2 2018 @ 09:04 PM
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So Trumps lawyers argument is that the president can’t break the law, because he’s above the law?

Seriously?



posted on Jun, 2 2018 @ 09:05 PM
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originally posted by: underwerks
So Trumps lawyers argument is that the president can’t break the law, because he’s above the law?

Seriously?


I think they are serious.



posted on Jun, 2 2018 @ 09:54 PM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
Dear Robert Mueller
Special Counsel for the Department of Justice.

Why my client can't answer your questions;
1) He might lie
2) He might get chatty and forget what he said and therefore lie.
3) They might try to trick him thereby making him lie.
4) He may get defensive and blame someone else and tell a lie.
5) They may ask questions he doesn't know the answer to but rather than say I don't know that he may lie.

So please do not ask my client any questions.

Sincerely,
Juan Epsteins mother.





I think you would come off a little more credible if you even entertained the possibility that you don't actually know what mueller has. You always post with such authority and confidence that I sometimes wonder if you are on Meller's team. Then when I ask you to post what you know that we don't. I get crickets. I do want to compliment you on the length of your posts in this thread(not the usual one or two line posts we have come to know and love), but I still beg of you to consider the idea that Trump is not guilty of an impeachable offense, the same way that I don't know for sure that he very well might be. Until then, you're kinda showing your backside and refusing to pull up your pants or pantsuit, so to speak.
edit on 2-6-2018 by keenmachine because: your to you're



posted on Jun, 2 2018 @ 10:09 PM
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a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight


Lol.
I'll take my chances.
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posted on Jun, 2 2018 @ 10:17 PM
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a reply to: keenmachine

What does what Mueller has have to do with it at this point?
The point is they wont let him answer questions because he is a pathological liar.
it doesn't matter what Mueller does or doesn't have.


edit on 622018 by Sillyolme because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 2 2018 @ 10:20 PM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme

What does what Mueller has have to do with it at this point?



Simple simplest answer iz is nothing.

✍🤷



posted on Jun, 2 2018 @ 10:23 PM
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a reply to: keenmachine

PS I don't recall you asking me any direct questions that I've avoided. I don't even recognize your screen name to be honest.



posted on Jun, 2 2018 @ 10:35 PM
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edit on 6/2/18 by Gothmog because: too many choices , not enough time



posted on Jun, 2 2018 @ 10:44 PM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: keenmachine

What does what Mueller has have to do with it at this point?
The point is they wont let him answer questions because he is a pathological liar.
it doesn't matter what Mueller does or doesn't have.



well i can think of alot of reasons why Trump's lawyers wouldn't want him to answer questions and the only reason doesn't have to because trump is a pathological liar. Mueller either has the goods on Trump, or he doesn't as someone already stated. I know if I was a lawyer and feared that Mueller had very little or nothing at all, the last thing I would want is a hail mary questioning that could tie my client up in some sort of other charge or try to prove some sort of obstruction in order to save face on a failed investigation. If you ever watched cops interview people they want to charge but can't at the time, things can and will wrong simply by answers given, in some cases mistakenly and then used against them. everything isn't so cut and dry. If you even considered the other possibilities, you too would know that. But if you only see things one way, then the only reason for trump not to answer questions is because he is a pathological liar. Here in the real world, things are never as they seem, and different outcomes and possibilities need to be considered.
edit on 2-6-2018 by keenmachine because: spelling



posted on Jun, 2 2018 @ 10:53 PM
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originally posted by: Pyle

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: Pyle

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: Pyle
GOP already set precedent that a president can be subpoenaed and deposed. Now they are trying to say he cant? Hum double standard?


Yeah, they had evidence that Clinton had done something he shouldn't have done, and even then he got impeached because he lied under his questioning, not because he had an affair. There is no precedence that can be brought forth from that, there is no evidence that Trump did anything illegal or colluded to even authorize a special council interveiw. Clinton was not forced to talk on the matter, he just went there and said I had no sexual relations with that girl.


Clinton was impeached for allegedly lying during a deposition (He didnt which is why he wasnt convicted). The alleged lie happened to be about his affair which had nothing to do with Whitewater. He was also subpoenaed before he voluntarily came in for the deposition after which the subpoenaed was pulled. Also you dont have to have evidence of wrong doing to interview subjects of investigations.


Clinton lied, he was impeached and was pardoned by the senate. He was guilty, that was evident by all evidence. You pardon people who are convicted, not people who are charged with a crime. Look it up, even Wiki talks about this on their site.


You need to read up on impeachment. The senate doesnt pardon people. The senate is a trial and they find people guilty or not guilty. The House is the indictment process where they decide if they have an impeachable situation and vote to pass it on to the senate for trial. House only requires >50% of members present to pass it to the senate. The senate then holds a trial which can include presentation of evidence and witnesses. The chief justice precised over the trial and if 2/3rd of members present vote for impeachment the person is immediately removed from office.


I remembered the article as pardoned but it was actually aquitted. That was a long time ago that I read that, probably six years ago. But Clinton was guilty of lying under oath. Although from the Senate determination the lying by a president is not illegal. I guess when you elect the best liar for a job, you know he will lie. The Democrats got him off mostly in the Senate, and of course Some Republican Senators may have been guilty of porking their help too.

By this which can be used as precedence possibly, caused by the Democrats protecting Clinton, not the Republicans, it shows that even if Trump does lie he cannot be held accountable. Good old bill was a better liar than most people know, he knew how to skirt the law but many in congress understood that he was morally wrong and wanted him gone. So having an immoral person in the White House is normal and we should not morally judge the Democratic president. Evidently if they are Republican presidents it is all right to.



posted on Jun, 3 2018 @ 02:47 AM
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originally posted by: rickymouse

Clinton lied, he was impeached and was pardoned by the senate. He was guilty, that was evident by all evidence. You pardon people who are convicted, not people who are charged with a crime. Look it up, even Wiki talks about this on their site.


Clinton was impeached and found NOT GUILTY by the Senate.

He was NOT PARDONED. The Senate has no power of pardoning, you are thinking of Governors and Presidents.

You are right, of course, pardons are for the guilty. Accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt. Just ask Joe Arpaio and Dinesh D'Souza. But don't bother Bill about it, because a pardon never entered into it.



posted on Jun, 3 2018 @ 02:51 AM
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originally posted by: TheConstruKctionofLight
a reply to: Sillyolme




Dear Robert Mueller Special Counsel for the Department of Justice.
.....
Sincerely, Juan Epsteins mother.


Seeing you are a legal expert, you realize you just published on the internet a fraudulent letter purporting to be someone you are not?

SillyOldYou


Yeah but the whole idea came from somebody else purporting to be someone else. Heck even Vinnie didn't know who he was half the time and don't get me started on Horshack.




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