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Lower The Voting Age?

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posted on Jun, 2 2018 @ 01:03 PM
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originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: theatreboy


Old enough to vote? Old enough to sign up for the draft! Speaking of equality and all females should be included!
Agreed, do still have a draft then?

As an aside, the Scottish government gave 16 year olds the vote in their referendum for independence from the UK. They believed that age group were more favourable towards leaving the union...they still lost though lol




posted on Jun, 2 2018 @ 01:10 PM
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originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: theatreboy


Old enough to vote? Old enough to sign up for the draft! Speaking of equality and all females should be included!
Agreed, do still have a draft then?

As an aside, the Scottish government gave 16 year olds the vote in their referendum for independence from the UK. They believed that age group were more favourable towards leaving the union...they still lost though lol


As far as I know we do. I am old and did my voluntary time, but I do know the Democrats in the Senate did pass a bill requiring females to register for the draft, but apparently it was "suspended"...



posted on Jun, 2 2018 @ 01:19 PM
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originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: theatreboy


Old enough to vote? Old enough to sign up for the draft! Speaking of equality and all females should be included!
Agreed, do still have a draft then?

As an aside, the Scottish government gave 16 year olds the vote in their referendum for independence from the UK. They believed that age group were more favourable towards leaving the union...they still lost though lol


As far as I know we do. I am old and did my voluntary time, but I do know the Democrats in the Senate did pass a bill requiring females to register for the draft, but apparently it was "suspended"...
It should be equal these days, I bet feminists are not screaming about that inequalityl.
And yes if you are old enough to serve then you are old enough to vote, buy booze etc.

...I've done my time polishing boots as well lol, no draft in the UK, but on leaving the services here you remain on what is called 'reserve liability' for a number of years. Reserves haven't been called up for a long time though, most volunteer to fill operational need.



posted on Jun, 2 2018 @ 01:24 PM
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Of course the liberal left supports lowering the voting age. They mostly control the education system from birth to college graduation. They also control 99% of the media that young people see and interact with.

Frankly I would be embarrassed to have my constituency consist of young, immature, uneducated people. That's your voting base? That's sad.



posted on Jun, 2 2018 @ 01:27 PM
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originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy

originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: theatreboy


Old enough to vote? Old enough to sign up for the draft! Speaking of equality and all females should be included!
Agreed, do still have a draft then?

As an aside, the Scottish government gave 16 year olds the vote in their referendum for independence from the UK. They believed that age group were more favourable towards leaving the union...they still lost though lol


As far as I know we do. I am old and did my voluntary time, but I do know the Democrats in the Senate did pass a bill requiring females to register for the draft, but apparently it was "suspended"...
It should be equal these days, I bet feminists are not screaming about that inequalityl.
And yes if you are old enough to serve then you are old enough to vote, buy booze etc.

...I've done my time polishing boots as well lol, no draft in the UK, but on leaving the services here you remain on what is called 'reserve liability' for a number of years. Reserves haven't been called up for a long time though, most volunteer to fill operational need.


We have the same thing here. We call it "Ready Reserve" or at least that is what they called it when I got out. I just read an article that our Air Force is recalling retired pilots because they don't have enough! Now how effed up is that? They aren't forcing them to resign, but ffs why isn't those in command of our Air Force being held accountable? Or maybe this is one of these diversity tactics? I'm not sure, but someone needs held accountable for this short fall, and lessening the requirements IS NOT the answer!
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posted on Jun, 2 2018 @ 01:34 PM
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If you are old enough to vote, your old enough to buy a handgun.



posted on Jun, 2 2018 @ 01:39 PM
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a reply to: seeker1963

Our forces are struggling to recruit as well, even with the British Army targeting poorer areas of the UK's schools. They got spanked in Wales a few years ago because their 'roadshow' only visited schools in poor areas, and the Welsh government were not happy.

...on that note, the drinking age her is 18, and you can join the forces at 16 but not go to active theatre until 18.
Is it the case that a 19 year old soldier could do a tour in say Afghan, come back to the states, but his mates can't buy him a beer legally in his hometown bar when he gets back?
That sounds absolutely nuts to me if true.



posted on Jun, 2 2018 @ 01:48 PM
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a reply to: CornishCeltGuy


I joined the military because I was poor! Hell grant you my parents were willing to put up all they had for me to go to college, but I was like, "nah, I am joining the ARMY". Worst and BEST time of my life.

How many rich kids with the option of joining the Military versus College choose military? FFS have these ijits lost their mind?



posted on Jun, 2 2018 @ 01:52 PM
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a reply to: seeker1963

What doesn't get reported is Maintenance is about 50% manned in the USAF, you can have all the pilots in the world if you don't have the people to fix the plane you have a short lived air force.



posted on Jun, 2 2018 @ 01:58 PM
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originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: seeker1963

What doesn't get reported is Maintenance is about 50% manned in the USAF, you can have all the pilots in the world if you don't have the people to fix the plane you have a short lived air force.



I know all about the parts shortages! I didn't realize they were lacking mechanics though. Holy snip! You do bring up a good point though. What retired pilot in their right mind would want to fly knowing this?



posted on Jun, 2 2018 @ 02:01 PM
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a reply to: seeker1963

Yes, I get ya

My now early 20's son didn't want forces or university, he's now a plumber earning more money than me lol
He voted for the first time when we had the referendum to leave the EU...he voted leave good lad, and took his own pen same as me because they only offer pencils in UK polling stations...conspiracy or what!



posted on Jun, 2 2018 @ 02:03 PM
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Id raise the voting age to 110....IQ that is



posted on Jun, 2 2018 @ 02:06 PM
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originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: seeker1963

Yes, I get ya

My now early 20's son didn't want forces or university, he's now a plumber earning more money than me lol
He voted for the first time when we had the referendum to leave the EU...he voted leave good lad, and took his own pen same as me because they only offer pencils in UK polling stations...conspiracy or what!


I don't know about in the UK, but if you live in the US and you have to call a plumber???? I think most would rather sell their souls? lol I did construction and know about plumbing and I kid you not, for those with right aptitude it is a GREAT JOB! Good money and trust me, when plumbing goes? People especially well to do people? They will pay whatever to fix it!

Good for you and good for your son! I meant his career choice and Brexit vote!



posted on Jun, 2 2018 @ 02:16 PM
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a reply to: seeker1963

Haha cheers man, and yes it's the same in the UK, even the call-out charge before doing any work.
He undercuts the older competition locally so gets much more work as a result, shrewd young businessman, and he needs to be, rents the house next door to me and has a Mrs who is high maintenance lol...she is lovely though and works full-time herself.

On-topic, I think 18 is the right age to vote, buy beer, smoke, go to a casino, and serve your country...when he was 16 he was a bit of a twat, I wouldn't have trusted him to vote on who governs us! Scotland look like they might be reducing it to 16 for their government but the UK is not thinking of lowering it for Parliament MP elections.



posted on Jun, 2 2018 @ 02:21 PM
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a reply to: CornishCeltGuy


Whether you know it not! As much as the rest of the world has been taught to hate Americans like me? I cheer you Brits, Hungary, Poland and Italy who are fighting for your sovereignty from the EU!

You might not think us Americans fighting for our freedom as well care? But we do!!! Because we know already what is happening within the EU will soon be coming here!



Edit to add? The next time you see the gun control argument pop up? It's us gun owners in America who support you guys fighting against the EU!!!
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posted on Jun, 2 2018 @ 02:32 PM
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Ah most people I know are looking forward to a new relationship trading with you guys and saying # you to the EU.
We're heavily involved militarily, have you seen Zaphod's 'Heads up UK' thread about our shiny new F-35's we've just bought and got delivered, turns out the RAF are over your way training with your best. Five eyes inteligence, Diego Garcia, we're full on mates.
And now the EU has turned nasty towards us in dealings, more and more Brits I know are looking forward to closer working with our English speaking partners as independent nation friends.


...sorry OP for being off topic, you know how conversation can flow like a stream lol

EDIT
I saw your edit, and for the record I, and everyone I ever speak to, understands the different situation in the US, gun control is a ridiculous idea when there are so many in circulation, bad guys will still get them easy.
Easy to buy an illegal gun in the UK, they come in from Eastern Europe, but our criminals use them on each other and/or rent them out to 'safe' criminals who won't make the gun as we say 'on top'.
There is a reason Islamic terrorists run people over with vehicles here, because our criminals won't rent or sell them firearms.
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posted on Jun, 2 2018 @ 03:06 PM
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a reply to: seeker1963

They just assume there are always enough mechanics... Think along the lines of a servant in the 17th century, you are aware of their existence even if your not sure exactly what they do.

I am very happy my wife has flown her last mission , as a Crew chief I don't trust the product being turned out now a days as a whole.

Every TDY I do I maintain the jet I am taking, I review the maintenance logs and I get it ready enough I would put my own mother on the plane. I do not trust most of those still fixing planes anymore, (having enough mechanics or not) to many people put the Mission capable rate over fixing the plane. (kinda the reason in my opinion we are having all these incidents lately)



posted on Jun, 2 2018 @ 05:08 PM
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originally posted by: nwtrucker

You make a good point. You do, however, omit life experience. Those are people who have 'been there, done that and have the T-shirt'.....


You read my mind ..... exactly my thoughts when I read that post.




posted on Jun, 2 2018 @ 06:32 PM
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originally posted by: nwtrucker
You make a good point. You do, however, omit life experience. Those are people who have 'been there, done that and have the T-shirt'.....


I've been around plenty of people with this so-called life experience. Sure, they experienced it, but they can't remember it. And certainly don't understand the world we live in now. This world might as well have been a foreign planet to my grandparents before they kicked it.
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posted on Jun, 2 2018 @ 06:42 PM
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originally posted by: okrian

originally posted by: nwtrucker
You make a good point. You do, however, omit life experience. Those are people who have 'been there, done that and have the T-shirt'.....


I've been around plenty of people with this so-called life experience. Sure, they experienced it, but they can't remember it. And certainly don't understand the world we live in now. This world might as well have been a foreign planet to my grandparents before they kicked it.


I believe it..
Not dissimilar to the millenials....



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