Imperialism, just plain old filthy Imperialism

More and more each day we see the stripping of rights, and the call to limit freedoms in the name of democracy, but everything that's being shouted for resembles none of that. Democracy is a lie that these people are believing in. What these people are calling for is nothing less then Global Imperialism.
Some of your will say that socialism or communism is what they are seeking, but it can't be further from the truth. Let me break down that fundament ideologies of the three some that you can get an idea of what I'm saying. After that I'll explain what I'm seeing happen in the world that leads me to believe that a Globalist movement has been taking place and slowly marching us towards Imperialism. (And yes I took these basic definitions from Wiki )

Socialism (aka Social Democracy):
Wiki: Social Democracy

Social democracy is a political, social and economic ideology that supports economic and social interventions to promote social justice within the framework of a liberal democratic polity and capitalist economy. The protocols and norms used to accomplish this involve a commitment to representative and participatory democracy; measures for income redistribution and regulation of the economy in the general interest; and welfare state provisions

Communism:
Wiki: Communism

In political and social sciences, communism is the philosophical, social, political, and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of the communist society, which is a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money and the state.

In both cases the end results are a system of equality for either the peoples voices, basic needs, or both. While what we are seeing is a movement toward something else. I believe that something else is Imperialism.

Yes also from wiki:
Wiki: Imperialism

Imperialism is a policy that involves a nation extending its power by the acquisition of lands by purchase, diplomacy or military force.

More importantly is the viewing of Imperialism during the late 19th and early 20th centuries. (same source as above)

John A. Hobson, A leading English Liberal, developed a highly influential interpretation of Imperialism: A Study (1902) that expanded on his belief that free enterprise capitalism had a negative impact on the majority of the population. In Imperialism he argued that the financing of overseas empires drained money that was needed at home. It was invested abroad because lower wages paid the workers overseas made for higher profits and higher rates of return, compared to domestic wages. So although domestic wages remained higher, they did not grow nearly as fast as they might have otherwise. Exporting capital, he concluded, put a lid on the growth of domestic wages in the domestic standard of living.[

And Ultra-Imperialism (more importantly Karl Kautsky statement on the matter)
Wiki: Ultra-Imperialism

In 1914 Kautsky published an article on imperialism, which subsequently was translated into English and published in the USA. In these he argued, there could be a way out of direful wars among the imperialist powers, a solution now named "Ultraimperialismus" or "super-imperialism".
Kautsky elucidated this thought in the September 1914 issue of Die Neue Zeit. He described the current phase of capitalism as imperialism. In Marxist theory, imperialism consists of capitalist states superexploiting labour in agrarian regions in order to increase both the imperialist nation's productivity and their market. However, imperialism also required capitalist states to introduce protectionist measures and to defend their empires militarily. He believed that this was the ultimate cause of World War I.
Kautsky noted that before the War, while industrial accumulation had continued, exports had dropped, as a result of a tendency of industry to expand out of proportion to agriculture. He pointed out that growing nationalism in the more industrially advanced colonies would necessitate a continuation of the arms race after the War, and that should this occur, economic stagnation would worsen.
In Kautsky's view, the only one way in which capitalists would be able to maintain the basic system, while avoiding this stagnation, would be for the wealthiest nations to form a "cartel", in the same manner as which banks had co-operated, agreeing to limit their competition and renounce their arms race, in order to maintain their export markets and their systems of super exploitation. In doing so, he postulated that war and militarism were not essential features of capitalism, and that a peaceful capitalism was possible

This overarching cartel, is the issue that's destroying the world today. The popularity of Nietzsche's philosophies and the pre-emptiveness of his "master morality" vs his "slave morality" has reshaped the practices of Imperialism. If one can persuade the slave to believe that they are the masters, then one can control the slaves willingly. From a context of Imperialism, make the masses believe that they are calling the shots, and they will follow you mindlessly.

We are seeing this today in every political protest that seems to run contrary to the words that are being used. Shouts for restricted speech followed by cries for free speech, demands for disarming people while chants for self policing, or insistence of free elections followed by undermining fairly elected officials. Peace rallies that are anything but peaceful, political correctness which isn't, these are tools being thrown at us to distract us from those trying to impose Global Imperialism on us, and sadly many people are beginning to believe that the "Globalists" are the only ones that can be trusted.

Recently we have seen a structure of this Global Imperialist fall apart, probably due to their own arrogant beliefs. Regardless of why we got to see what's going on, what we can do is watch and expose this movement when we see it in action. We won't be able to end it, but by exposing it we can take their power from them.


So after reading all of this, and thinking that I may have lost more then a few marbles, I have to ask:

"Do you believe that this current movement towards Globalism is a good thing without know who will ultimately be in control of the movement, or do you feel that a nationalistic approach to world affairs where people should care for their own countries first and the world second is a better way to go?"

And I know that there are some of you that will say that a mix of both is the best way forward. If that's true, and you think that going forward can take a different direction without being a Global Imperialist or a Nationalist, I'd like to hear (read) it.

a reply to: Guyfriday

Use that word around here and brace for the crickets. Partisans love them some good old fashioned imperialism. Its the very nature of partisanship (supremacism).

well our empire is winning, so I am ok with it. If somebody else's empire was winning, than we would be losing. Do you want to be the losing side?? I don't think anybody wants to be the loser.

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
well our empire is winning, so I am ok with it. If somebody else's empire was winning, than we would be losing. Do you want to be the losing side?? I don't think anybody wants to be the loser.

I don't think you're fully getting the story. What everyone likes to call "Deep State" is the group that's pushing this Global Imperialism. So hopefully that side isn't winning, though in some areas it seems to be.

That's what this thread is about, it's not about Nations, but rather this currently unnamed group that's trying to undermine the geopolitical landscape.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

Of course thats all that matters to you...you missed this part of the OP

More and more each day we see the stripping of rights, and the call to limit freedoms in the name of democracy, but everything that's being shouted for resembles none of that. Democracy is a lie that these people are believing in. What these people are calling for is nothing less then Global Imperialism.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

on cue next response under yours...hahaha

a reply to: Guyfriday
Some people have their football or their cars or sneakers and others got their video games. I enjoy global live action chess.

I want us to win. Us winning is good for everybody, even Australia. Especially Australia. Don't you want Australia to win too?

a reply to: worldstarcountry

"Winning" with imperialism often involves the murder and torture of millions.. You should brush up on American history before being "ok" with it. Easy to say naive things like that when your not the one who has their life destroyed by imperialist goals.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

Did you know that during the US takeover of the Philippines in the 1900s, there were American soldiers who defected to the Filipino rebels after being appalled by the atrocities the US committed (I will make a thread about this)?

macapili-filipino.blogspot.com...

Even Mark Twain himself criticized US imperialism

The funniest thing was when at the close of the Spanish-American War the United States paid poor decrepit old Spain $20,000,000 for the Philippines. It was just a case of this country buying its way into good society. Honestly, when I read in the papers that this deal had been made, I laughed until my sides ached. There were the Filipinos fighting like blazes for their liberty. Spain would not hear to it. The United States stepped in, and after they had licked the enemy to a standstill, instead of freeing the Filipinos they paid that enormous amount for an island which is of no earthly account to us; just wanted to be like the aristocratic countries of Europe which have possessions in foreign waters. The United States wanted to be in the swim, and it, too, had to branch out, like an American heiress buying a Duke or an Earl. Sounds well, but that's all.

Commune became a dirty word in the 60's as people were trying to make their own living as outsiders. Many just called them Hippies, 'nerdowells or whatever lifestyle slur suited the establishment at the time.

Many people call this sort of thing as it has grown up and become educated; sustainability, green farming, homesteading etc. of course the opposition to all of that recycling is those that lose jobs digging more of those kinds of materials up or refining them into chemical substrates to make more...

The hidden fear is of course production... Looking at Japan they recycle the hell out of everything; a country Hawaii should really take a good look at as far as sustainability on an island goes to bring living costs down.

Of course lines in the dirt... is what was trying to fight for land masses new and old as technology grew. We all used to be "cargo cults" from port to port shore to shore and door to door.

The way the modern is shifting to work? Sit back and place your order... of course; there are those wanting to place AI bots into slave labor. That was also the dream back before technology could match the vision.

In the mean time or between the two figures; we have this lull called cyber culture; those of the bygone eras still around not so keen or hip on this technology as they were happy to have radiation blasting their faces off over the old tube radio. This sort of inner stagnation occurs in waves, so we had those that just wanted to sit around and listen to the radio, that pissed off those with something else to say, then those sit around and listen to the TV that pissed off those pushed to chores, then video games to rest the children from chores; which pissed of the older TV addicted bringing more of those in the household and now those that want to sit around and interwebs... whether for pron or not; then those that hover the interwebs piss off the ones actually using it.

Height of humanity... what will be the next big distraction? Already has been taking place between those three called; DOING the rest are customers as the others just consume.

Waste of time? Same as that old eye of the beholder thing; about Beauty being there... and hey it is; depending on focus.

Take care.

a reply to: Guyfriday

Do you mean like Soros who is sticking his nose into the UK trying to campaign for a second Brexit referendum?
Do you mean like the unelected European Commission who are playing hard ball and desperate to punish Britain if/when we leave the EU?
Those kinds of thoughts I can identify with, even Obama interfered in our referendum saying Britain should stay in the EU, the cheeky twat.

Yep, from the scaremongering, to the threats, and now Soros backing a second referendum, I'd definitely agree that globalists somewhere behind the scenes are pulling the strings.
If/when we leave the EU we are going to be spanked, that is for sure...a lesson for any other nation thinking of trying to leave the firm.

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: Guyfriday

Do you mean like Soros who is sticking his nose into the UK trying to campaign for a second Brexit referendum?
Do you mean like the unelected European Commission who are playing hard ball and desperate to punish Britain if/when we leave the EU?
Those kinds of thoughts I can identify with, even Obama interfered in our referendum saying Britain should stay in the EU, the cheeky twat.

Yep, from the scaremongering, to the threats, and now Soros backing a second referendum, I'd definitely agree that globalists somewhere behind the scenes are pulling the strings.
If/when we leave the EU we are going to be spanked, that is for sure...a lesson for any other nation thinking of trying to leave the firm.

The great thing about people like Soros is that "THEY" want the control. This Global Imperialist movement seems almost cult like it how it was doing things. Before WW2 they would sit and wait 50 years or so before they moved to the next step in their game. Their goals were for an organizational world dominance rather then a personal one. Waiting for a generation or two while getting their ducks in line seemed like their way. then along came the power grabbers.

This personal demand for power causes sloppiness n their actions. People like Soros have done just that, they have created an atmosphere of contempt and sloppiness that has allowed us to see what's being done. Just be aware that these people are not the puppet masters, but rather nothing more than Bunraku puppets with the true power players being the ones dressed in black and openly hiding in the shadows. This is why I think that we can't stop them, but if we can expose and limit the current puppets, then those who are really behind all this will just go back into hiding.


"You can not rid the tiger from the village, but a scared tiger with a place to run will hide for a while allowing one to live a life."

a reply to: Guyfriday

I share your sentiments
I'd say definitely keep an eye on developments with Britain leaving the EU though, we are doing the exact opposite of 'globalisation' breaking off to be independent again. If we get stopped then it will prove to me that we are held hostage in the global gang.
...but we will be spanked if we eventually leave, I'm certain of that but say bring it on. A lot of people who I know voted to remain are now thinking the same due to the threats from the EU, and will vote leave if there was to be a second referendum.
I think it would be a higher margin win as well, nothing like threatening Britain to get Brits to pull together against 'the enemy'.

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: Guyfriday
Some people have their football or their cars or sneakers and others got their video games. I enjoy global live action chess.

I want us to win. Us winning is good for everybody, even Australia. Especially Australia. Don't you want Australia to win too?

So then your kids will be enlisting for the "war for peace" (aka war for resources aka war of aggression) at their respective times? All those benefits we all reap from the banksters / corporatists raping all those places they do via our IC / MIC. Which are what exactly? How does ANYTHING that goes on in the wars do ANY damn good for ANYONE you know (outside of defense contractors of course)?????

Mercantilism benefits ME exactly how , again? WE dont even hardly manufacture anything hardly besides weapons and paper dollars. So whats the point of imperialism aside from satisfying peoples vicarious power monger lust?

a reply to: Guyfriday

Check out the original "Why We Fight" WW2 propaganda masterpiece. In the opening salvo of I believes its Part 1, they carry on about each of the Axis stars (Germany, Italy, Japan). To put their systems into likewise perspective, the point being to rationalize going to war against them of course... narrator goes something like 'Nazism, Fascism... its all just plain old imperialism'.

Then immediately following double ya double ya two, "we" became the just plain old filthy Imperialists in their wake. "Because Communism" being the excuse, of course. Then Communism ended, and if anything "They" stepped up the game. And then in 1998-2001 Pentagon had to resort to video games amongst similiar tactics for recruiting, because people werent enlisting enough to wage wars of empire. And then 911 happen. And the MIC lived happily ever after.

Democracy (majority rules) is what governments and the "government educated" want you to think they are. Until they, whoever they are, has complete power/control, no "law/constitution" in the way. Then the useful idiots will wonder how they became the minority? When they're "by law", forced to dig their own grave. They'll look at the man/woman digging next to them and ask, "you where a Soldier can't you help"? They'll reply, "with this shovel, I can take one or two with me, but it ain't going to help you none. You took my rifle, remember "?
Democracy can be good, if everyone is grounded on/in the right and wrong.
That's why "Republics" have "laws". To get everyone on the "same page". And to protect the "right", from wrong.

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: Guyfriday

I'd say definitely keep an eye on developments with Britain leaving the EU though, we are doing the exact opposite of 'globalisation' breaking off to be independent again. If we get stopped then it will prove to me that we are held hostage in the global gang.

Like everything that gets too big..... the small individual bits get lost and

swallowed up, strangled and smothered and eventually killed

...but we will be spanked if we eventually leave, I'm certain of that but say bring it on. A lot of people who I know voted to remain are now thinking the same due to the threats from the EU, and will vote leave if there was to be a second referendum.

Not IF but WHEN..... and it looks like we are only

just in time, any longer and we would have been toast!! as in the demise

of the UK nation.

I think it would be a higher margin win as well, nothing like threatening Britain to get Brits to pull together against 'the enemy'.

Victory for free thinkers and FREEDOM.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Yes, I do and continue to encourage them to serve the nation in the armed services. One has seven years left. He is anticipating action in Iran already after watching programming over the years of some of their fine arts and architecture. I tell him by the time he enlists, he should have the opportunity to see a lot of that. Of course that depends on how the military alters it's doctrine to include the capable robots that are beginning to hit production stage today.

I'm hoping he can bring us back some looted Persian culture you know?? I'd hate to lose him, but there are four more to tKe his place.

You should be thankful, knuckle dragging thugs are the one And only reason America ns can even enjoy the life of luxury even our poor can afford to take for granted compared to more than half the Earth's human population. Even if we All want to pretend to be righteously outraged at the attrocities that make the resources available to us for this wonderful life.

So everybody, please. Just carry on with your day to day, keep on spending, keep on paying those taxes, and do not allow the foreign propaganda to undermine your loyalty to your country with doubts about the means. Every single lst one of our allies and rivals has built their society to their standards today, utilizing the exact same method.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

Well at least youre not a brazen hypocrite like most people.

BUT

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
You should be thankful, knuckle dragging thugs are the one And only reason America ns can even enjoy the life of luxury even our poor can afford to take for granted compared to more than half the Earth's human population. Even if we All want to pretend to be righteously outraged at the attrocities that make the resources available to us for this wonderful life.

How does Bechtel / etc getting billions in war related contracts (paid by National Debt no less) do any damn good for me / you / anyone I know / have known / etc?

How does Goldman Sachs / etc getting billions in war related interest (paid by National Debt no less) do any damn good for me / you / anyone I know / have known / etc?

What good did the War in Iraq do me / you / anyone I know / have known / etc?

What good did starting the Arab Spring do me / you / anyone I know / have known / etc?

What good would a the war on Iran do me / you / anyone I know / have known / etc?

What good would a the war on North Korea do me / you / anyone I know / have known / etc?

What good did backing the coup in Honduras in 2009 do me / you / anyone I know / have known / etc?

Etc?

Etc??

Etc???

Your logic bottlenecks right after you type it out, from what I've seen so far, fine sir.

I mean maybe you're a defense contractor so your household reaps some extra crumbs and scraps from the table of our elite masters, but I fail to see how anything to do with any war / coup / etc as long as I've been alive has done to benefit anyone I've ever known.

Instead, we have this ballooning national debt, half the worlds HATES US, and so on, in all of its wake.

But if you can break down the math model you've apparently put blind faith into (otherwise), well that should be one hell of a ground breaking OP.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
Those wars have kept our system running, because the existence of our system has been calculated mathematically to take in x amount of certain resources that keep the population sedated when they are refined into consumer goods. With the consumption of said consumer goods, and the sedation of parts of the brain, the population stays happy and continues to work and pay taxes, thus keeping us all enjoying a stable electrical grid, a healthy stream of unlimited food and food items, and the liberty to continue degrading socially to ever lower depths of depravity.

The period between 1999 and 2008 saw the rollout of all kind of next generation electronics. These electronics deliver the signals required to maximize the capitalization of human labor and consumption habits desired to run the economic models that allow the perpetuation of the illusion of unlimited wealth. As long as that hologram keeps on going in the minds of our citizens, the system can continue its unlimited expansion. That system, is the one which we live our day to day lives with a standard significantly higher than the bulk of the rest of the human population of the Earth.

It is not about getting everybody to be rich and happy. It is only about keeping us and some of our allies above the rest of the world. If we were all on equal footing, we would not have an advantage. Without an advantage, we risk having to compromise on some of our fundamental beliefs as Americans.

Thats the best I can do. Did it make you want to buy a robot though? Hopefully it did. See, we can have robots, over six billion other humans cannot.