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At every previous cliff edge, London pulled back and bent to Brussels’ will

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posted on May, 30 2018 @ 07:50 AM
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That is a quote from this politico.eu article.
This is what a bad negotiator looks like. I find it thoroughly entertaining to watch many of our UK brethren claim Trump is a bad deal maker and the US is no longer leading on the world stage. Not only is it patently false, but their own leaders are racking up loss after loss for them because they're horrible negotiators. You can't be scared to call a bluff or use your leverage and walk away. The UK is the 2nd largest economy in the EU and what concessions have they won for their people?

Here's another great quote:

Not only can the EU do little about any of it, the contretemps has brought home the painful reality of Europe’s weakness: its dependence on the U.S. for security and for commerce. “You can’t say Trump is unsuccessful,” as one European mandarin begrudgingly put it the other day.


That's a pretty honest and open admission of what we american's have been saying about your semi-socialism in europe. You can afford it because we subsidize your defense. If we stopped allowing it, you wouldn't be able to afford it, because eventually, you run out of other people's money.

But the reason I really like this article is that it shows that reality can peak through the most dense of cloud covers. The EU is a mess. It is a failure. It is ineffectual and it drags down all parties involved. Many people in the UK know this. That's why brexit won. Many people in Italy know this, that's why their establishment politicians have been kicked to the curb. Brussels is a blood sucking parasite. When you free yourselves from it, you will understand the immense damage it has done and just how far back it has set the many EU countries.




posted on May, 30 2018 @ 07:56 AM
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a reply to: Dfairlite


That's a pretty honest and open admission of what we american's have been saying about your semi-socialism in europe. You can afford it because we subsidize your defense. If we stopped allowing it, you wouldn't be able to afford it, because eventually, you run out of other people's money.


I'm curious as to whom we are being defended from.
edit on 30-5-2018 by midicon because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 30 2018 @ 08:02 AM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
The UK is the 2nd largest economy in the EU and what concessions have they won for their people?

Negotiations are still ongoing though, and of course we were always going to face hostility from the other 27 EU nations.
The fat lady hasn't sung yet so let's see how the final deal turns out.
I remember all the folk on ATS saying we wouldn't even leave, but we are, just the fine details left to consider, one in particular the border with the republic of Ireland, also Gibraltar's with Spain.



posted on May, 30 2018 @ 08:04 AM
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a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

I'm hoping, for the sake of you folks in the UK that your negotiators realize their folly and use it as leverage. "We have bent to your demands the last several times, it is your turn to make the concessions." But so far I haven't seen much positive for the UK out of the negotiations.



posted on May, 30 2018 @ 08:05 AM
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a reply to: midicon

Ignorance is bliss!



posted on May, 30 2018 @ 08:12 AM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: midicon

Ignorance is bliss!


Perhaps you could just have satisfied my curiosity. Those subsidies may really just be about serving the USA's geopolitical goals and military strategies.



posted on May, 30 2018 @ 08:16 AM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

I completely agree the EU are playing hard ball, they don't want to lose the billions of £'s which Britain pays into the organisation each year. I also agree the current UK negotiating team are not the best, but thank our lucky stars we haven't got Jeremy Corbyn and the loony left in charge, that sly weasel would sell us down the river in a heartbeat.
I say watch and see how it pans out, but yep, I'd hope for the UK government to take a stronger line, and uless there is a surprise general election I've just got accept the current team we've got running things.



posted on May, 30 2018 @ 08:20 AM
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a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

I think Trump would have been the perfect guy to handle those negotiations.



posted on May, 30 2018 @ 08:23 AM
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a reply to: midicon

If you don't understand the immediate threats to your own country as a citizen of said country, why would you accept the threats to your country identified by an outsider posting on a forum?



posted on May, 30 2018 @ 08:23 AM
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originally posted by: midicon
a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

I think Trump would have been the perfect guy to handle those negotiations.

Haha, I've mused that myself a few times, I mean he was a businessman first...but remember, we've still got to negotiate some trade deal with the US through him, expect British shops stocking currently banned US foods. I imagine one concession will be labels clearly marking it so we still get the choice though.



posted on May, 30 2018 @ 08:25 AM
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a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

That's about all we can do, wait and see. I'm rooting for you guys.



posted on May, 30 2018 @ 08:29 AM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

Cheers fella

We are going to get spanked in the short term, that's guaranteed, but I'm confident we'll come out of it as a much stronger proud, independent nation...then eat our popcorn while watching the EU collapse.



posted on May, 30 2018 @ 08:41 AM
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a reply to: Dfairlite

Did you read the comments on that site? I found them enlightening.

Not all is wrong with the EU.

And:
The authors decision to bring the "bend to every notion of Brussel" is in my opinion quite out of the way of the rest of the article.



posted on May, 30 2018 @ 08:49 AM
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a reply to: ManFromEurope

I did, this one was my favorite:

All those problems are created by irresponsible citizens which are not able to understand with their little minds EUrocrats great projects and all the good that is done for them each day.
Therefore democracy should be suspended so that citizens are not able interfere too much.
Appointment of Selmayr is a great example how it should be done EU wide.


Dripping with sarcasm, it sums up the entirety of the EU organization and the project as a whole.



posted on May, 30 2018 @ 08:49 AM
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originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: midicon

If you don't understand the immediate threats to your own country as a citizen of said country, why would you accept the threats to your country identified by an outsider posting on a forum?


I was making a valid point. I also don't have to accept your opinion on any perceived threat just as you might not accept mine. That's no big deal, conversation and different viewpoints are part of what this forum's all about.



posted on May, 30 2018 @ 08:50 AM
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I thought it was an interesting read as well.
When the UK does go though you'll have to charge us for access to the market or tariffs or something. What, is it 8 billion £'s a year we pay into it, net? That's a lot of cash needed to support Greece and it's workers who pay bugger all in taxes.



posted on May, 30 2018 @ 09:15 AM
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originally posted by: midicon

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: midicon

If you don't understand the immediate threats to your own country as a citizen of said country, why would you accept the threats to your country identified by an outsider posting on a forum?


I was making a valid point. I also don't have to accept your opinion on any perceived threat just as you might not accept mine. That's no big deal, conversation and different viewpoints are part of what this forum's all about.

So are you for dismantling all armies in Europe since you perceive no immediate threat right now? After all, with thinking like yours they are currently redundant.



posted on May, 30 2018 @ 09:23 AM
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originally posted by: midicon

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: midicon

Ignorance is bliss!


Perhaps you could just have satisfied my curiosity. Those subsidies may really just be about serving the USA's geopolitical goals and military strategies.


That would be the argument on this side of the pond. Yet, the return on investment is flat out lousy. I would see the U.S. leave NATO. You have more people, as big an economy, a well developed military industrial complex of your own.

So defend yourselves.

The only reason there was an opportunity to even form an EU was the U.S.'s countering the Soviet Union with it's military presence saving Europe billions.

You've wasted an amazing opportunity in what the EU 'could' have been.

Time to leave you to your own defense.
edit on 30-5-2018 by nwtrucker because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 30 2018 @ 09:25 AM
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a reply to: BelowLowAnnouncement

I can't speak for midicon, but personally I think when our new carriers are in service with the F-35's then the UK is pretty safe. Russia is only likely to ever threaten your likes of Latvia, Lithuania etc, and it's not like any of our European neighbours are gonna invade us.
So as long as we continue to have an effective defensive force I don't really care what the other EU nations do.
I note Poland is creating a new reserve defence force of about 50,000 citizens, maybe they are being paranoid but maybe they know something we don't, either way when they set it up that's a lot of citizens for their 'resistance' if they ever need it.

I'm happy enough with US forces on British soil, we work well together, and Britain pays it's way in defence, but if they suddenly pulled out I wouldn't be scared that evil Soviets were on the way. Putin wants trade, and half his nations dodgy dirty money is tied up in London, so why the # would he damage his own assets.



posted on May, 30 2018 @ 09:36 AM
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originally posted by: BelowLowAnnouncement

originally posted by: midicon

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: midicon

If you don't understand the immediate threats to your own country as a citizen of said country, why would you accept the threats to your country identified by an outsider posting on a forum?


I was making a valid point. I also don't have to accept your opinion on any perceived threat just as you might not accept mine. That's no big deal, conversation and different viewpoints are part of what this forum's all about.

So are you for dismantling all armies in Europe since you perceive no immediate threat right now? After all, with thinking like yours they are currently redundant.


I think we will always need our military for defence...alliances too. I asked if US subsidies were more about it's own interests.



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