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originally posted by: Enderdog
originally posted by: KKLOCO
a reply to: SummerRain
Agreed. There is a HUGE difference between a MGTOW and an incel. Hell, this is the first time I’ve even heard of an incel. As previously stated by someone, the beginning part of incel stands for involuntary. Being a MGTOW is absolutely voluntary. I guess a better way to understand it is MGTOW = alpha — incel = beta.
MGTOW is saying — I’m strong enough without a woman in my life.
Incel is saying — I can’t get a woman.
Excellent point. MGTOW are primarily volcels.
originally posted by: Serdgiam
a reply to: CornishCeltGuy
Yup, that is a pretty horrible thing to say. My point is that you've said some things in the same vein, so if you are disturbed by such things.. you are personally participating in their creation. What you do with that information is up to you, but you don't have much of a high ground when you "dish out labels and insults to men like them who don't think as you do."
We must always be cautious not to define something by the things that bother us the most, as well. This small, simple facet of social interaction is, in my opinion, one of the biggest factors in modern societal division. We even tend to overlook and eschew opportunities for productive interaction in order to meet and equal the things that bother us the most.
For example, in any thread, look at how many responses an offensive one liner receives in comparison to well thought out posts of any length. Then, we start to define the opposition in accordance to our focus, eventually ignoring any constructive avenues of discussion completely.
We have far, far too many that do this and not nearly enough that actually attempt constructive discourse.
We can do better, but it does take actual effort and disrupting habits. The emergence of competing social groups is ages old, yet we still don't seem to have much of a grasp on the subject. Perhaps even less so as our focus and attention span shortens.
Carl Jung is famous for formulating the concept of the shadow, the portion of everyone’s personality which, through the course of one’s life, is relegated to the darkness of the unconscious.
Today, developed societies are teetering on the remnants of patriarchy, and it all seems quite unstable, with nothing developing to take its place and bring about the required stability our societies need. Individualism is so rampant and chaotic today without having any perfunctory 'gender' role to guide it and give it purpose. In our minds we are at odds with our own bodies, because in our minds we are so sexually diverse and it has been given free reign to express itself, and none of this (in general terms) leads to long-lasting, fulfilling monogamous relationships. Just as there is no longer any long-term job security, relationships are equally as fraught and fragile.
But, they all arose from legitimate grievances, which were eventually ameliorated without the social group ever stopping the fight
The behavior we usually see is that the worst examples of the emergent group become the focus for opposition
For far too long we have conflated the advancement of our tools with the advancement of us as sentient life.
originally posted by: fiverx313
a reply to: CornishCeltGuy
i tend to follow We Hunted the Mammoth for all my most alarming MGTOW/incel/MRA news
originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: Serdgiam
interesting point, is this similar to how the ummm, left or social justice group continue to find victims and perpetrator's where there are none and if there isn't one they will find one anyway?
sort of like pointing out the poorest qualities of the outliers while ignoring the valid concerns of the average?
I agree, I've been saying it for years now our technology has out paced out civilization and cultures ability to adapt, our focus on money and lack of culture is bringing us to a point where we can no longer ignore it