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MGTOW - Men Going Their Own Way, Thanks Feminism

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posted on May, 30 2018 @ 03:41 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
Saying, "Nope you're wrong!" doesn't magically make you right. You are still wrong and the alpha beta dynamic is false.

Not in my backwoods hick world it ain't, every bloke knows his place in the pecking order. It is a mixture of personal defence capabilities and contacts. Maybe it's a cultural thing because we fight each other without firearms or weapons generally, but that pecking order is there same as any competing roosters/cockerels know.
It has to be cultural, but I prefer the raw style in my parts because blokes are not dicks to each other or women here unless they want a fight with another man.
We must live in vastly different worlds.
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posted on May, 30 2018 @ 03:47 PM
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originally posted by: WalterTilley

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: CynConcepts

I fear feministic ideas of spermal evolution believing men are not necessary.


This is not an idea/belief - - it is a fact - - scientifically.

Men need to evolve - - as society evolves.

Women have been evolving. Men can not stay the same.



So what happens when the power goes out and those sperm unthaw and go bad?

Not a viable bulletproof option having to rely on keeping those sperm frozen for generations. I guess you could always go back to having some men babies to grow up as sperm doners..maybe keep them like cattle or something to just harvest that sperm somehow...

Fantasy land!!!

The ability to synthesize sperm and ovum from human tissue will be with us soon. IIRC, it has already been achieved in animals.

Artificial wombs will also likely be soon. If we threw ethics out, they'd be here within years.



posted on May, 30 2018 @ 03:51 PM
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a reply to: Xenogears

Mad concept isn't it, like ordering a baby on ebay after sending off some DNA.
I wonder if I'll live long enough to see that.



posted on May, 30 2018 @ 04:07 PM
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a reply to: peck420

Yup, BMP’s certainly exists because I was one. Initially, most women want an alpha male. Full of energy and confidence. Then through time, a lot of them strip that away from you until you got no energy left. This is an issue of control. The best relationships have no one trying to control situations to their advantage. What can I say, I was loyal to a fault — I thought I was doing it for the kids. I was wrong. It was terrible for them to witness.



posted on May, 30 2018 @ 04:12 PM
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a reply to: KKLOCO

I break the mold mate, I'm alpha (EDIT, in a decent place in the pecking order) in defence capabilities and contacts, but I'm often thought of as gay, I love girly fashion, pretty nails, and sparkly eye shadow. I'll chill with female mates all evening with a bottle of wine while they show me their new shoes or whatever.
I've always been that contradiction, all my life, I have a twin sister.


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Hair as well, you'll often see me on facebook saying to female friends that I love the new warmer colour or whatever lol
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I saw a tourist the other day, black woman so obvious out of town on holiday lol, her hair was the most beautiful braiding I've ever seen, couldn't help myself and said "Your'e hair is absolutely gorgeous, no way you did that!" and she told me her mother spent hours doing it for her holiday, made me smile, we parted.
I can be naturally platonic and make a complement from the heart, I love women as equals, I tell blokes "Love the beard mate" or similar as well, strangers I catch eyes with, but MGTOW seems so alien to me.
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posted on May, 30 2018 @ 04:12 PM
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originally posted by: KKLOCO
a reply to: SummerRain

Agreed. There is a HUGE difference between a MGTOW and an incel. Hell, this is the first time I’ve even heard of an incel. As previously stated by someone, the beginning part of incel stands for involuntary. Being a MGTOW is absolutely voluntary. I guess a better way to understand it is MGTOW = alpha — incel = beta.

MGTOW is saying — I’m strong enough without a woman in my life.

Incel is saying — I can’t get a woman.


MGTOW also aren't necessarily celibate, it only means they don't cohabitate or marry. Because laws can make cohabitation count as marriage in front of the laws in some places, and not sure but think laws can change and apply retroactively at any moment in others.

There are wealthy multimillionaire mgtows, who do have sex, just don't cohabitate or marry.

From what I've heard of Incels, many have tried all, but faced with either inherited deformities or serious disfigurations or disabilities, or ones resulting from war or accident, they've only been presented with constant obstacles. Many women have disrespected or mocked them publicly, even war veterans, only for other women to cheer them on with no resort to defend their dignity. Faced with multiple constant instances of abuse, and finding constant failure, it is understandable why such a community would become toxic towards a world that mocks them and dislikes them through no fault of their own. Perhaps it doesn't apply to all, but I've heard many are afflicted as such, failing society's standards of appearance, and offending by the way they look.



posted on May, 30 2018 @ 04:16 PM
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originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: toysforadults

I’d argue that the infantilization of men has had a far greater impact on their life success than any feminist ideology to date. That men would “go their own way” into video games and porn rather than ambition and self-betterment is evidence of this.


MGTOW aren't men only going into porn and games, many MGTOW dedicate themselves to increasing their wealth and fitness, and improve at their craft. Sometimes dedicating excess resources to hobbies true, but someone that's becoming better and living to increase their happiness, financial stability and health, is just par for the course.



posted on May, 30 2018 @ 04:17 PM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

So you posted one article claiming it’s false??? I’m sorry, this is a dynamic that has been known for to long to count. Walk down the street and ask everyone you meet. I guarantee you will find that society has accepted the alpha vs beta dynamic. You’re opinion is a one-off.

By not answering my question repeatedly, I think it’s reasonably fair to say you’re probably a BMP. They always defend their stance. Until they get snapped, like I did.

Ask yourself, are you the bread winner in your household? Do you still enjoy the same hobbies / activities that you did before you were married? Because you sure are on this site a lot, don’t know how you’d have time.

Ironically, to further my point, being a conspiracy theorist is one of the biggest signs of an unhappy beta male. They talk about it in many MGTOW videos. Always trying to find a problem with everything, to distract from ones own unhappy life.



posted on May, 30 2018 @ 04:19 PM
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a reply to: Xenogears

Gosh, I couldn't imagine the loss to my life without my female loved ones...not sure I'd even want to live like that...no female laughter, intimacy, fun...sounds the most empty male environment ever.


CX

posted on May, 30 2018 @ 04:20 PM
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My only experience of MGTOW is a guy who says he lives his life by it.....a guy who was my stepdaughters boyfriend, who emotionally abused her, who taped all of their conversations and then replayed them on the internet, who makes out he's charming to outsiders and acts totally the opposite behind closed doors.

Luckily she's no longer with him.....she's just one more in a long line of his ex's.....and the common denominator was him.

I get that some guys haven't been treated great by women, been there myself....but some of these movements go very much down the road of women hating. Just the male version of extreme feminism.

Don't tar all women with the same brush, same as most decent women don't judge all guys by the many dicks that are out there.

You can be your own person without being a knob about it.

CX.



posted on May, 30 2018 @ 04:24 PM
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a reply to: Xenogears

Bingo!!! I am not celibate. You hit the nail on the head with your synopsis of both. I feel bad for incels. This is never an issue I’ve had to deal with. Looking back, I have known many though. I’ve tried to help them through the issues, unfortunately, confidence comes from within. It’s not something that can be forced.



posted on May, 30 2018 @ 04:25 PM
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originally posted by: 0zzymand0s
a reply to: toysforadults

This will probably come off as just an exception to you, but I was married for 18 years, had two children -- a boy and a girl -- and won custody in my divorce. In fact, it's semi-documented here in another thread.

I didn't lose everything or even half of everything and I don't pay my ex any support or alimony. My daughter graduated HS, stuck to her guns and found a job as an illustrator in Phoenix. My son is 16 and is thriving in a school with a heavy engineering focus.

Women aren't some evil "other." They are people with hopes, dreams, fears, and needs -- the same as any man. Treat them that way and keep the lines of communication clear. Things generally work out ok.

The problem with MGTOW men is the classic "human" problem. They mistake the personal for the universal and act accordingly. It is a strategy -- like pulling a bucket from the same poisoned well -- that is guaranteed to produce the same result, over and over.

See also: you are the company you keep.


No the thing with MGTOW is just because a russian roulette gun only has one bullet, doesn't mean you play the game. The state has stacked the deck heavily against men. You can have relations with women, and you can have sex, but you have to take adequate protection. Everyone says it is not going to happen to me. Children often view themselves as superheroe protagonists to whom nothing truly bad can happen, but that's not the reality.

Any relation can turn south, the brain is a physical machine subject to decay and people can change, if you knew them truly at all.

MGTOW is a path to self improvement, happiness and protection from the real threats that the state has placed.



posted on May, 30 2018 @ 04:42 PM
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I'm 41 years old and given up on dating. I know too many horror stories about child support. When I was younger I dated women looking just to get knocked up. The last experience I had put me off from dating all together. I've dated some seriously evil women. I know not all women are evil but in todays world there are a lot of them. I'm not bringing any kids into this world without them having both parents.



posted on May, 30 2018 @ 04:43 PM
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a reply to: KKLOCO

I just naturally say hi to anyone who I catch eyes with, either that or a smile. I talk to strangers all the time, so saying hi to a woman who catches my eye is normal, thousands of tourists around every summer it becomes natural and friendly.
My compliments say about a dress or make-up are actually 100% genuine, like I said, grew up with a twin sister (still do lol) so I liked her 'girl' stuff as well as she liked boy stuff.
...we ran our high school though, we had info from both genders, and 'girl' gossip was fantastic, knew exactly how to play it, but that's for another thread lol

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...and to this day I get all the best info off my female friends, men need to talk to each other more, like women, I just try to use my info wisely, and get blokes to talk about stuff more like girls do.

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posted on May, 30 2018 @ 04:43 PM
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a reply to: Xenogears

I like you. You understand how to sympathize. Maybe the reason for the MGTOW movement is to make women aware of the current issues within the system that garners them control. For example, if I saw a wallet sitting on the ground and noticed it had a fat wad of cash in it. Even if I knew I could get away with stealing it — would I do so? No, I wouldn’t, because I’m not a slimy thief. Yet it happens to so many men — from the very people that claim to ‘love’ them.

If there were more women like you Xenogears, maybe there wouldn’t be a MGTOW movement. (I’m assuming your a woman from your avatar). If I personally knew more aware women like you — I wouldn’t be a MGTOW. I drive thousands of women a year on my wine tours. I hear their conversations, they are truly disgusting in regards to men. It’s all about the money. It’s not every one of them, but it’s definitely the majority.



posted on May, 30 2018 @ 04:46 PM
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originally posted by: KKLOCO
a reply to: Xenogears

Bingo!!! I am not celibate. You hit the nail on the head with your synopsis of both. I feel bad for incels. This is never an issue I’ve had to deal with. Looking back, I have known many though. I’ve tried to help them through the issues, unfortunately, confidence comes from within. It’s not something that can be forced.


In some cases, the confidence doesn't make much difference for some of them. From what I hear they're not so much seeking sex, as love and companionship.

It would be difficult for any person to look at someone with a gross disfigurement or disability all the time. Most people simply opt not to do such an inconvenient and bothersome thing, when they can find anyone else that is not so afflicted.

I mean say a person had acid thrown in their face, had their face severely burned or was in a horrible car accident, or born with some severe deformity. They'd be out of luck.

Anyone can be affected by such at any point, luckily it is a rare occurrence.

There are people that can put the extra mile and effort into caring for someone else who fate has dealt a bad hand, but most people have trouble even without such being part of the relationship.
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posted on May, 30 2018 @ 04:46 PM
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a reply to: CornishCeltGuy

You seem very balanced. I would love to be able to hold a convo about hair or fashion. Unfortunately, that’s not in my mental makeup. I simply don’t care. But kudos to you for caring.



posted on May, 30 2018 @ 04:46 PM
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originally posted by: FyreByrd
a reply to: toysforadults

Welcome to Women's Country....

...good ridence...

Women prefer their men adult, competent and self-aware.


I'll add a quote I just heard from a Male friend

“Here's all you have to know about men and women: women are crazy, men are stupid. And the main reason women are crazy is that men are stupid.”

― George Carlin, When Will Jesus Bring The Pork Chops?



posted on May, 30 2018 @ 04:47 PM
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originally posted by: toysforadults

originally posted by: amazing
LOL These MGTOWS or MRAs or INCELs or whatever these guys call themselves crack me up.

Leaves more eligible women for the rest of us and our offspring.

Go your own way. I would suggest working out, learning some martial arts and getting some self esteem somehow.


I would make your reccomendation to everyone regardless we would have a better social paradigm overall


I really think that's the answer to both issues...boys not allowed to be boys anymore and toxic masculinity as well as bullying, and lack of self confidence etc etc. Get them in some martial arts. Girls too. Get everyone in some martial arts.



posted on May, 30 2018 @ 04:54 PM
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a reply to: Xenogears

Yes, very sad to be disfigured. I cannot say that I can relate to it. But I can definitely sympathize. As you said, thankfully this is not super common.

To be perfectly honest, I miss companionship more than sex. And I’ve always been sexually overcharged (double Scorpio). The feeling of having a good honest woman around is exilerating. Where are they though?



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