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originally posted by: TheJustLlam
a reply to: nwtrucker
And what, Israel a proxy state for the US?
I think anti-semitism is growing all over the world not just in Europe or America.
Israel will wAke up one day, isolated, in a very hostile world.
originally posted by: TheJustLlam
a reply to: nwtrucker
Israel that have sent millions of refugees to its borders.
originally posted by: nwtrucker
A preamble is needed. Labels are needed to communicate and are often generalities. Not 'all' of any group, nation, region or faith applies when using the names to describe them. It's a fact of life that there's collateral damage to those within those labels that suffer under the collective description. Not 'all', Muslims, Christians, Jews...whatever group your can cite. So apologies in advance to those that fall outside this overview.
This whole mess was started and continues to this day solely due to Europe. No one else. Whether this started in the halls of the Vatican or merely the uneducated average citizens of the day is not germane to this OP.
The Jews, somehow ended up being looked upon as 'the Christ-killers'. By culture, and in some countries by law, Jews were not even permitted to own land or other significant real assets. Held in the same esteem as Gypsies, marginally above lepers. Well before Hitler, who astutely took advantage of that prejudice, Pogroms took place 'cleaning out' Jewish settlements in Russia. Of course, if one cannot 'own' one is left with only 'money' as a trading means to enhance 'survival'. Just as predictably, 'money traders' were also looked down upon, biblically, and was used to further that prejudice.
Simply put, it is European bigotry that begat the problem. Not a criticism, merely an observation. That same bigotry existed world-wide with other groups and individuals, perhaps equally.
Apparently, the holocaust went too far. Some combination of guilt and a means of getting rid of the Jews motivated the creation of Israel. This is solely due to Europe. Unarguable. The U.S. abstained from the vote. Virtually a European creation. (The Commonwealth nations largely followed England's lead.)
The flood began. So much so, that England reversed course and set up blockades to that Immigration. ( It looked somewhat like a lip-service effort, to me, and the full underlying motivation still escapes, to this day.)
The most telling aspect is that flood-albeit slower- is still occurring to this day. leaving Europe, Russia and Muslim nations and immigrating to Israel. Some pure religious immigrants, but many could be called refugees!
Even today in the OP that describes the new mortar attack by Hamas, the European response is largely anti-Israeli. ( No doubt that European addiction to ME oil plays a significant role in maintaining the anti-Israeli sentiment, via the media, in Europe and U.N. votes.)
As I am not well educated, I may have errors on historical facts and corrections would be well received.
I can only conclude that Europe may be a bigger enemy of Israel than Islam. I see more and better relations with neighboring nations of Israel than ever in it's history. Apparently, it is being learned that if you leave Israel alone, they leave you alone. That makes them a far better ally than some within the Islamic community.
Just my opinion, though.
originally posted by: TheJustLlam
a reply to: nwtrucker
I'm giving you real world examples of countries in support of an action that is not in Israel's favour. Some, if not most, are not European countries and some are enemies of Europe. A lot of those countries are communist and distrust anything western so European media couldn't possibly have any influence on it's opinion.
Europe will eventually run into the arms of your enemies such as Russia and China. At this rate it might even benefit them more than continuing its relationship with the US and Israel that have sent millions of refugees to its borders.
Europe's growth in anti semitism is not isolated. Its happening everywhere and it is a result of Israel itself.
Kurds? A lot of countries supported the Kurds (a long with the US), the other two are as a result of conflict with Israel.
Last time I'm posting. Don't think you'll change you opinion even though I think its flawed.
originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: Jay-morris
A little overly simplistic, IMO.
Monsters using other or lesser monsters for their purposes.
The bigotry goes well back. he current monsters, as you call them, are merely taking advantage of that.
If one has a gun to one's head, one handles that situation before tackling with the landlord. If that simple, empirical truth escapes, then it's might be you that is addled in your thinking.
ET's that are continuing their conquest of our planet country by country. They wil
If we want to continue existing on Earth as an advanced civilization, we have to accept the demands of the rulers in space and stamp out the vestiges of resistance in those countries that are fighting our monetary system.