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originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
We put our men in prisons and war zones. Then wonder why our homes are falling apart.
You forgot the main reason women leave.
originally posted by: Justso
A lot of opinions, there.
I will say that divorce CAN be negative for all involved but you leave out one very important issue-physical, emotional, and mental abuse that makes many women flee-many times to protect their children. (It happens to men also but to a much lesser extent.)
That's the real issue still not being talked about to the point of change in male behavior.
A boy without an involved father is just as sad as a daughter without a father-same as the loss of a mother (which occurs much less.]
Divorce continues to increase as support for women increases. It's most sad when the father, once he loses control, decides to walk away from his children.
originally posted by: enlightenedservant
So people are finally acknowledging that broken homes can have detrimental effects on the children in those households? Took long enough.
Though I disagree on the anti-feminist angle.
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: enlightenedservant
On mobile. So im giving you bullet points
people join the military while young and naive
- statistically, more men are in jail by a long shot
- its easy to end up in jail when your otherwise legal behavoir is criminalized and when your neighborhood is patrolled more.
Meanwhile, rapists are let out of prison to live in the same low income housing that all those single moms live in
i doubt many volunteering for military service really understand what they volunteered for.
originally posted by: enlightenedservant
True, but that doesn't refute the points that they do it voluntarily (and receive pay for it) and that females also join the military.
Yeah, because more men commit crimes by a long shot lol. Generally the only crimes that women commit more frequently than men are child abuse by a slim margin and shoplifting. Check out any law enforcement stats any you'll see that men commit virtually every crime far more than females do.
This paper assesses gender disparities in federal criminal cases. It finds large gender gaps favoring women throughout the sentence length distribution (averaging over 60%), conditional on arrest offense, criminal history, and other pre-charge observables. Female arrestees are also significantly likelier to avoid charges and convictions entirely, and twice as likely to avoid incarceration if convicted.
1) Those laws effect women too., though.
2) Us minorities have been dealing with this point from the beginning. So why is this only a concern now?
Ummm, isn't this just helping my argument?
1) This applies to female enlistees, too, right?
2) But if this is meant to reinforce the argument that males are marginalized, then think about what you're saying. From that perspective, you would be implying that 18 year males are more naive then 18 year old females because those naive recruits don't know what they're getting themselves into when they enlist in higher numbers.
But personally, I think they do know what they're signing up for. Or at least to a large extent they do. Some come from areas with low employment opportunities, so joining the military helps with that. Some want to travel the world and learn a trade, so joining the military helps with that. Some are fascinated with guns, advanced weapons systems, learning to fly, etc, so joining the military clearly helps with that. And then there are also others who intentionally join the military because they want to learn how to kill, wanted revenge for 9/11, believe that they're protecting America by fighting in wars overseas, etc. Joining the military clearly helps with those. There are also recruits who grew up in military families, so I'd guess that they understand what they're getting themselves into even more than the rest do.
Either way, my original point is that the vast majority of people that we send to prison or war are going directly because of their own choices. If we're really supposed to believe in personal responsibility, then why are these dudes getting a pass on that?
She was assassinated, for the record. Allegedly by the Pakistani Taliban, and we know what the Taliban think of women.
originally posted by: enlightenedservant
Oh & for the record, Pakistan has already had female Heads of State, which is something that the US still hasn't done.
However, they have completely different social issues, norms, and obstacles, which is often why it doesn't make sense for us in the West to tell them they should focus on A, B, and C when D, E, and F may be their actual priorities.