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Obama Ordered CIA to SPY in Another Major Election

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posted on May, 27 2018 @ 11:52 AM
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originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: kelbtalfenek

I think you will think what ever you want to think.

🔑🔓


I think I will believe what has been reported and recorded in books, articles and the like...because history doesn't change, it's only forgotten by people with an axe to grind.




posted on May, 27 2018 @ 12:06 PM
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a reply to: Chadwickus

Looks like you've exposed yourself and are just jealous because your favorite Aussie Progressives have been outed.

Why else would you continually create tangents and red herrings ?

Your little secrets have been unlocked !!
🔑=🔓



posted on May, 27 2018 @ 12:25 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

Good morning Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting. The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father. This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr. Trump - helped along by Aras and Emin. What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly? I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first. Best Rob Goldstone
I don’t know how anyone can read this email that was the preamble to a meeting where Kushner, Manafort and Trump Jr. met with Russian agents. Then think the FBI investigations are overblown.. The sexual assault allegations against trump were overblown and fabricated imho, but the collusion narrative makes nothing but sense.. Everyone thought trump was losing. Then some Russian agent contacts the trump campaign to offer dirt on hillary Clinton in exchange for lifting sanctionsamd staying out of any future conflict in Ukraine.. both things you couldn’t find 12 Americans who care about them.. See, That doesn’t take a super villian to perpetrate.. just your average amoral buisnessman would do just fine.. And that is my major problem with the right wing conspiracies. A) they don’t have a tangible motivation like profit. B) they are logistically incredibly hard to imagine. C) they require a mustach twirling villian to orcastrate them.. “Obama is a Kenyan Muslim socialist who wants to destroy America!” “Hillary Clinton has commuted murders and runs a pedo ring in a pizza shop”. “95+% of all the scientists are faking climate change” “The left wants to start a civil war by going house to house taking all the guns” Exc. exc. exc.. None have a real life motivation like profit.. All of them are the kinda thing you would see from a marvel villian not a real life corporation or entity with the ability to achieve that goal. Money makes the world go round. People don’t spend billions ocasrating illuminati type conspiracies that are not profitable.


The only problem with that main theory, (it's a big one, is that Hillary's scandalous acts and pompous arrogance, and denials, and lack of responsibility or remorse, started REALLY pissing off everyone, and that is why she lost. Not because some magic Russian ferries changed the vote totals in the quantum universe.


Once you understand this (in your next life perhaps), you will then feel contentment. (for about 2 seconds until the flames reach your toes.)

edit on 27-5-2018 by NoCorruptionAllowed because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 27 2018 @ 01:14 PM
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a reply to: Chadwickus

Nothing partisan about my argument. You keep bringing the partisanship in. I don't give a whipped rat's hind end what party someone attends.

So you think the President is above the law and can use the CIA/FBI/DoJ/NSA any way they want, then? OK, good to know. I disagree.

TheRedneck



posted on May, 27 2018 @ 01:48 PM
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a reply to: kelbtalfenek

Your wasting your breath.

He doesn’t even put any time or thought into his responses. I’m pretty sure he is just trolling. Check his op history.



posted on May, 27 2018 @ 02:18 PM
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a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

The fact hillary Clinton is supremely unlikable is absolutely the primary factor in her loss.

However, I have seen nothing credible that points to her being uniquely corrupt.

If you remove all the crazy uranium 1, benghazi , pizzagate, Clinton body bag stuff. What’s left???


A procedural error where her maybe even her IT guy didn’t swap to a government server from her private one when a memo came out to do so????


And there is no way to know if that was personally ordered by hilldog or if it was laziness or ineptitude on the part of her IT people..


Pay for play and insider trading are legal for politicians.. nothing unique about hillary in those departments..


Political parties get to pick their nominee. There are no laws saying they have to respect the primary results. That is literally the whole point and reason for being for superdelegates..


So nothing uniquely corrupt there either...



The problem with making hillary Clinton/Democrats are fictional super villian is that it pretends like the system is ok and they are uniquely corrupt. When the system is broken and hillary is status quo.



posted on May, 27 2018 @ 02:24 PM
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But he would never do it to Trump. Right guys?



posted on May, 27 2018 @ 05:06 PM
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a reply to: network dude

Oh but it was implied.....your mate redneck is allowed to, but of course when I do it, I’m the master of it!

Unfortunately, we won’t get to see any leaked documents of the CIA doing to exact same thing under Trump for sometime yet...but you already know that...

You guys are just arguing for the sake of it.

As if the CIA has changed the way they go about their business since Trump became president.....that’s the most absurd thing I’ve heard all year!



posted on May, 27 2018 @ 05:09 PM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

This thread is nothing but partisan.

That’s the whole, entire point of it.

I’m trying to make it bi-partisan by pointing out that the CIA and their methods are not ruled by a democrat or a republic

But yeah, I’m making it partisan...



posted on May, 27 2018 @ 05:48 PM
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a reply to: Chadwickus

I actually agree with that. Neither party has a lock on corruption.

However, where I break with you is that as soon as evidence is found that anyone in either party is corrupt, that person should be investigated, indicted if guilty, and sentenced just like anyone else. If a sitting elected official, impeach and remove him first.

Your input in this thread has been the opposite of that view. You seem to claim that since both parties do it, neither should be held accountable. I say since both parties do it, both should be held accountable. Then let the chips fall where they may.

TheRedneck



posted on May, 27 2018 @ 06:07 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed The fact hillary Clinton is supremely unlikable is absolutely the primary factor in her loss. However, I have seen nothing credible that points to her being uniquely corrupt. If you remove all the crazy uranium 1, benghazi , pizzagate, Clinton body bag stuff. What’s left??? A procedural error where her maybe even her IT guy didn’t swap to a government server from her private one when a memo came out to do so???? And there is no way to know if that was personally ordered by hilldog or if it was laziness or ineptitude on the part of her IT people.. Pay for play and insider trading are legal for politicians.. nothing unique about hillary in those departments.. Political parties get to pick their nominee. There are no laws saying they have to respect the primary results. That is literally the whole point and reason for being for superdelegates.. So nothing uniquely corrupt there either... The problem with making hillary Clinton/Democrats are fictional super villian is that it pretends like the system is ok and they are uniquely corrupt. When the system is broken and hillary is status quo.

WRONG. You don't even know the basics of what politicians can or can't do. But that's no surprise.
Pay for play is not legal for politicians.

Not all forms of insider trading for them is legal either. Obama and his administration when he was first elected went freaking hog wild with all kinds of ethics violations and filth, and Hillary got the personal green light from Obama to do anything she wanted, or she wouldn't have ever been able to put that private server up to use as a hide-out from government oversight while she used it to launder millions towards the Clinton foundation.

Now it also looks like he used his special pals in the CIA to run cover for everything else as well.

Don't forget F and F operations. Might as well use the CIA to spy on enemies, and don't forget the IRS he weaponized against the Tea party.

If it was legal the DoJ/FBI wouldn't now be investigating Hillary for "pay to play" would they?

Pay to play is illegal

The Justice Department is investigating whether the Clinton Foundation engaged in any "pay-to-play" politics or other ILLEGAL activities while Hillary Clinton served as Secretary of State, according to reports.


How faulty is the rest of your political knowledge? No, don't answer that.


The question isn't "Did Obama use the CIA to spy on his political enemies", the question based on his proven behavior and track record is "What criminal act wouldn't he do to achieve his goals"?



edit on 27-5-2018 by NoCorruptionAllowed because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 28 2018 @ 02:12 AM
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a reply to: xuenchen

This was known way back in February of 2017. Dems didn't care about ethics then either.



posted on May, 28 2018 @ 05:56 AM
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a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed


Pay for play is not legal for politicians.


Please remember this when Cohen turns on Trump. Cohen was blatantly peddling influence, and that, not treason, is what will ultimately bring the Trump regime down... although some of the staffers will get more severe charges brought.



posted on May, 28 2018 @ 06:52 AM
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a reply to: TheRedneck

I don’t fully agree with them getting away with it, it’s more of an acceptance of the reality that they’ll do it under the pretence of national security or what not.



posted on May, 28 2018 @ 08:10 AM
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originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: network dude

Oh but it was implied.....your mate redneck is allowed to, but of course when I do it, I’m the master of it!

Unfortunately, we won’t get to see any leaked documents of the CIA doing to exact same thing under Trump for sometime yet...but you already know that...

You guys are just arguing for the sake of it.

As if the CIA has changed the way they go about their business since Trump became president.....that’s the most absurd thing I’ve heard all year!





I think you are blinded to the point I was making. Our intelligence community does all sorts of bad things. Like interfering in other countries elections. But in this one case, in this one instance, a document was released. This document seems to indicate Obama was involved. It doesn't mention Trump. If it did, then your point would matter. it doesn't.

Facts, just the facts.



posted on May, 28 2018 @ 08:12 AM
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a reply to: network dude

Selective, partisan facts.

I get it.



posted on May, 28 2018 @ 08:52 AM
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originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: network dude

Selective, partisan facts.

I get it.


Jesus dude, you don't get it. Point to the part in the OP's article that mentions Trump. If you can't, it's likely because it's not there. And it's not there, because that's not what this is about. But for some reason, you don't seem to grasp that.

facts are not partisan, they are just facts.

Again, if you have facts that show Trump is doing this, start a thread. There are lots of haters who would line up to kiss your ass over it.



posted on May, 28 2018 @ 08:53 AM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Rewey


My point was there “election meddling “ is not a leftwing trait, It is universal. Pretending it is a leftwing trait when it is a sestemic problem isn’t accurate.



Ah, I see what you're saying. I'm not suggesting that it is a left-wing trait only - it certainly has been a staple of both main parties in the US for decades.

My point on the first page in referring to the Left was with regards to this current situation. I can't think of a time previously when the US has been so torn apart by it happening to them, rather than the other way around. So in this instance, I feel that they are reacting in a way I've never seen a political party act. As you say, the US leads the interference and meddling stakes by a country mile, but you don't see other nations wailing and gnashing their teeth for two years afterwards. Not to the same degree as is happening in the US right now. Hence my comment about the international perception of mock indignation.

I read a great article today in an international newspaper and I meant to take a photo of it as it had some very apt points for this site, and this thread. Might try and find it tomorrow...



posted on May, 28 2018 @ 08:57 AM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

Political parties get to pick their nominee. There are no laws saying they have to respect the primary results.


The problem I have with this comment is that if that's the way the party is going to be, why waste tens of millions of dollars in running essentially fake primaries, which give the party supporters the genuine belief that they're participating in a fair, democratic process, if you're just going to ignore it. That's what stinks in this whole situation.

If it's clear the party has selected their nominee behind closed doors already, then just inform the supporters and run with that decision. Otherwise, you just come across as corrupt and dodgy, no matter which way you cut it...



posted on May, 28 2018 @ 09:08 AM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Rewey

A) did you see this email released by Trump Jr. that literally spells out the Russian collusion theory. The email that led to the infamous meeting with Russian agents by Kushner, Manafort and Trump Jr.?


I did. Is this the one which was attended by the Russian lawyer who was supposed to be banned from entering the country? Who was given a last minute clearance to enter the country? Who met with DNC contacts immediately prior to and following the meeting? If you read that email, it sounds like a sting (I mean, come on - he made sure he dropped every line about being the Crown Prosecutor of Russia, and that they support Mr Trump, and that it was highly sensitive but will happily meet with Trump directly). Was there a reason ever given why she was allowed into the country by such high authority?




The investigations might be overblown and might not actually amount to much, but I think it is pretty obvious trump did that $H!?.. and assuming he did. Then the American people would definitely have a right to know..


This is an interesting comment. In the email it suggests evidence of Hillary committing a crime (by means of being incriminating). Wouldn't you also agree that the American people would definitely have a right to know? It seems odd that if it came from a government whistle blower or domestic source it's all OK, but if it comes from another country then all of sudden it's COLLUSION!?!

I didn't mean to bombard with three posts in a row. I just had some catching up to do.







 
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