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Mass protest, pull your kids out of school and stop paying taxes

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posted on May, 24 2018 @ 12:29 PM
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a reply to: Lab4Us

clever but adding no real value to the discussion




posted on May, 24 2018 @ 12:31 PM
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originally posted by: ClovenSky
The public unions are one of the last holdouts with their nice little defined benefit pensions, they need to step into reality like the rest of us with our defined contribution plans.

Fortunately, my nice little defined benefit pension is my reality. That's the deal I signed...in fact, inclusion was mandatory at age 35. Their terms of employment. You saying they should welsh?



posted on May, 24 2018 @ 12:32 PM
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originally posted by: angeldoll

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: olaru12

private vs public unions are totally different story, no one working for the public sector is entitled to any of my money


Next time you get pulled over by the cops or your house catches fire, or your wife has a stroke, or one of your kids get run over... be sure and tell them that, and they should leave and you can take care of yourself.



And since he won't be buying a car (won't pay taxes on it), then he needs to stop using the paved roads you and I provide.
But who knows? It might work out faster travelling as the crow flies. And I am sure there are creeks somewhere clean enough to drink from.


you're operating under the presumption that we can't organize outside of government



posted on May, 24 2018 @ 12:35 PM
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originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: ClovenSky
The public unions are one of the last holdouts with their nice little defined benefit pensions, they need to step into reality like the rest of us with our defined contribution plans.

Fortunately, my nice little defined benefit pension is my reality. That's the deal I signed...in fact, inclusion was mandatory at age 35. Their terms of employment. You saying they should welsh?


this is exactly the entitled attitude of public sector employees that needs to end

I don't owe you anything once you stop doing your job



posted on May, 24 2018 @ 12:35 PM
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a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

That's it brothers and sisters. WILDCAT!!! That's funny. The OP is calling for a private citizens strike on gov't employees and the unions are probably the only ones able to actually pull it off.



posted on May, 24 2018 @ 12:35 PM
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originally posted by: SR1TX

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: olaru12

private vs public unions are totally different story, no one working for the public sector is entitled to any of my money


Next time you get pulled over by the cops or your house catches fire, or your wife has a stroke, or one of your kids get run over... be sure and tell them that, and they should leave and you can take care of yourself.

Sorry to rub it in....I get government contracts from time to time with my sideline business. Paid by the American taxpayer.



What does any of that have to do with anything?



Kids run over???? What? What on Earth is anyone from government going to do to rectify that?



Perhaps a Union paid county EMT and Ambulance could get him to the County hospitable before he dies.

All paid for by Taxes. I don't mind paying taxes to keep the infrastructure of civilization going.

If you are just being sarcastic...it's beautiful!
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posted on May, 24 2018 @ 12:37 PM
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a reply to: intrepid

yeah we really need to cut these guys off with this attitude

www.washingtonexaminer.com...



A Supreme Court case involving union dues for public-sector employees is forcing labor unions to change the way that they manage their members, even though the justices have not ruled yet. Union leaders are convinced that the court will use the case, Janus v. American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, to overturn a 1977 precedent called Abood v. Detroit Board of Education that made it legal for public-sector workers to be required to join a union or support one financially. Losing the case likely would cause public-sector unions to lose members and funding.

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posted on May, 24 2018 @ 12:39 PM
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a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

I am just looking at reality. There was a time these plans were needed because the actual pay was low compared to the private sector positions. But through these bargaining positions where the taxpayer didn't have a seat at the table, these wages actually surpassed the private sector years ago. Even if it was promised, if there aren't the funds to payout on those promises, there isn't much that can be done.

Surely you would have taken that into consideration when you freely signed on the dotted line?

I contribute bi weekly to my 401K and I fully realize that it may implode due to my stupidity or the wonderful power of inflation. Hiding or not acknowledging that possibility doesn't make it go away.

I think Toys is simply trying to point out the light in the tunnel isn't the sunlight from the other end, it is from a freight train barreling down upon us.



posted on May, 24 2018 @ 12:40 PM
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originally posted by: toysforadults

originally posted by: JohnnyCanuck

originally posted by: ClovenSky
The public unions are one of the last holdouts with their nice little defined benefit pensions, they need to step into reality like the rest of us with our defined contribution plans.

Fortunately, my nice little defined benefit pension is my reality. That's the deal I signed...in fact, inclusion was mandatory at age 35. Their terms of employment. You saying they should welsh?

this is exactly the entitled attitude of public sector employees that needs to end
I don't owe you anything once you stop doing your job

Well, given that this is somewhat rhetorical as I live in the Great Pink North...in your case, it's the deal that your government cut with its employees. Yes, you do owe them as you've accepted their services on those terms. It's called a CONTRACT.



posted on May, 24 2018 @ 12:40 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults


...my words are pretty clear ...


no, no they are not.

your words are not clear at all.

about 3/4 thru the OP and i was scratching my head wondering what i am reading. and then i sift thru your replies and i am still not sure what you are getting at. you seem like a lunatic.

i think you took one too many ritalin this morning. too much bobbing and weaving and hand-waving. how 'bout you take a few deep breaths and try to make a lucid point?



posted on May, 24 2018 @ 12:41 PM
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originally posted by: toysforadults

originally posted by: angeldoll

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: olaru12

private vs public unions are totally different story, no one working for the public sector is entitled to any of my money


Next time you get pulled over by the cops or your house catches fire, or your wife has a stroke, or one of your kids get run over... be sure and tell them that, and they should leave and you can take care of yourself.



And since he won't be buying a car (won't pay taxes on it), then he needs to stop using the paved roads you and I provide.
But who knows? It might work out faster travelling as the crow flies. And I am sure there are creeks somewhere clean enough to drink from.


you're operating under the presumption that we can't organize outside of government


But if we reorganized "the government", wouldn't that just be another form of "government"?

It's taken us over 200 years to get where we are. Do we still have flaws? Of course, it's a work in progress.
I wouldn't be so quick to assume I could do better. Nor should you.

Off and on, we've had some very brilliant people making decisions about how we should govern, and how to make our daily lives as convenient as possible. It works for me.



posted on May, 24 2018 @ 12:42 PM
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a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

we don't owe them anything, with all investments there is an inherit risk and crashing our nation into poverty isn't worth your in lieu of benefits packages and pensions

maybe when they stop closing schools, cutting school programs, fix the roads and bridges and actually do the job they are being paid people will be more inclined to continue to pay you what your getting in benefits and pay



posted on May, 24 2018 @ 12:43 PM
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originally posted by: tgidkp
a reply to: toysforadults


...my words are pretty clear ...


no, no they are not.

your words are not clear at all.

about 3/4 thru the OP and i was scratching my head wondering what i am reading. and then i sift thru your replies and i am still not sure what you are getting at. you seem like a lunatic.

i think you took one too many ritalin this morning. too much bobbing and weaving and hand-waving. how 'bout you take a few deep breaths and try to make a lucid point?



if you comprehension issues it's not my problem



posted on May, 24 2018 @ 12:47 PM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck

we don't owe them anything, with all investments there is an inherit risk and crashing our nation into poverty isn't worth your in lieu of benefits packages and pensions

maybe when they stop closing schools, cutting school programs, fix the roads and bridges and actually do the job they are being paid people will be more inclined to continue to pay you what your getting in benefits and pay



So, how do you feel about Trump's "tax cut", having given 88% of it to the 1%, and adding two trillion dollars to the national debt? Has he become your nemesis now?

I got $50.00 a month. That doesn't buy my dog's food. He could take his little token tax cut to the middle class, and shove it. How do you feel?



posted on May, 24 2018 @ 12:47 PM
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originally posted by: ClovenSky
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck
I am just looking at reality. There was a time these plans were needed because the actual pay was low compared to the private sector positions. But through these bargaining positions where the taxpayer didn't have a seat at the table, these wages actually surpassed the private sector years ago.

You'll find that most public sector wages have frozen. Private sector wages dunked. Not my fault. Do I sound entitled? Sure, because I am entitled to the pension that I've paid into for 30 years. We have a deal, and I've kept up my end.




posted on May, 24 2018 @ 12:50 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults

So you advocated socialism of Singapore and free land as a birthright in another thread. Now you begrudge pensions
Sounds to me like your jealous and want more handouts. Here's a hint
...stop winging and go out and be the change you want to be




posted on May, 24 2018 @ 12:52 PM
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originally posted by: toysforadults

originally posted by: tgidkp
a reply to: toysforadults


...my words are pretty clear ...


no, no they are not.

your words are not clear at all.

about 3/4 thru the OP and i was scratching my head wondering what i am reading. and then i sift thru your replies and i am still not sure what you are getting at. you seem like a lunatic.

i think you took one too many ritalin this morning. too much bobbing and weaving and hand-waving. how 'bout you take a few deep breaths and try to make a lucid point?



if you comprehension issues it's not my problem



I know exactly what you are saying. And if you are serious, get out on the street with a clipboard and some petitions. Run for office on your platform. Perhaps you can get to be a county commissioner and work for the change you seek. At least that way you might retain some credibility.

I don't think ATS is much of a platform to seek support for what you suggest. Perhaps a grass root campaign. Start locally. I would be interested in how you make out. Otherwise enjoy your whine festival...peace out!!
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posted on May, 24 2018 @ 12:57 PM
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a reply to: olaru12

ATS is a platform for discussion which is what I'm doing

trying to silence opposing points of view by using your flawed logic isn't going to work

either you're here to discuss ideas or you're not it's that simple, and I don't care how many stars you get
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posted on May, 24 2018 @ 12:58 PM
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a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

yes me asking for the government to take less of MY MONEY is asking for handout

what are you in liberaland?



posted on May, 24 2018 @ 01:03 PM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: olaru12

ATS is a platform for discussion which is what I'm doing

trying to silence opposing points of view by using your flawed logic isn't going to work

either you're here to discuss ideas or you're not it's that simple, and I don't care how many stars you get


Yes, ATS is a good place to discuss ideas, and it's a fine thing that you did.
I hope the perspective of others will give you food for thought.

I simply hope that you don't become like so many others on this website, who can't see beyond their own needs and selfishness. We must live together as a country, do the best we can, and design a plan that makes our lives easier, including providing for those who are unable to provide for themselves, and that includes the elderly. Our ability to do this is one of the things that has made "America great".

Just don't lose sight of that.



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