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Article: I’m A Democrat, And The Left’s Russia Gaslighting Scares Me More Than Trump Does

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posted on May, 24 2018 @ 08:34 AM
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I am an ordinary voter living far from the Beltway who feels gaslighted by our political and media establishments regarding the Russia investigation. Our current Yanny versus Laurel political moment is probably confusing even for professional political commentators. But for ordinary Americans it is a bewildering, disorienting spectacle.

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I’m a Democrat, and it would be easier to accept my side’s version of unfolding events. It would certainly make my life easier when talking with my liberal friends. But facts are pesky things, and I’ve become increasingly aggravated by my own side. It seems the desire to win the 2016 election and Trump hatred has not only warped the Democratic political and media establishments, but exposed them for what they are.

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Looked at this way, it appears that Trump’s election is vindicated for many reasons: There appears to be a deep state in this country comprising both Republicans and Democrats, which will not abide an outsider president.

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Further, many of my Democratic friends are in the dark about many of the smaller events and facts surrounding the Mueller investigation. They don’t know, for instance, that a federal judge, T. S. Ellis, rebuked Mueller for trying to target Trump. They don’t know that one of the Russian companies Mueller indicted for tampering in the 2016 election, Concord Catering, didn’t exist at the time of the election, and that when they showed up in court to contest the charges, Mueller was unprepared to proceed with the case.

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There is only one word to describe CNN and MSNBC’s coverage in the last year and half: grotesque. They’ve gone so over-the-top with their anti-Trump coverage, so lacking in self-awareness, that even criticizing them seems like a waste of time.

But I sense a bigger problem on the Democratic side, both among ordinary Democrats and prominent left-leaning pundits. In the Trump era, many seem unable to grasp irony and facts as it applies to their own side. For instance, when they talk about Trump violating the rule of law or obstructing justice, don’t they realize that some of us are thinking: Yes, but where were you when the FBI didn’t apply the rule of law to Hillary Clinton, and why didn’t you object when Hillary obstructed justice by deleting emails under subpoena? Shouldn’t the rule of law apply to everyone?

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There needs to be a reckoning for the mainstream media as well, as to why, as one critic said this week, they’ve acted as “lapdogs for the Deep State and propaganda arm of the Left.” Maybe I’m not a good enough Democrat, but I’m far more troubled by what is happening to Trump than by Trump himself.


thefederalist.com...

One positive thing to come out of the entire debacle of the deeps states war on trump is that many people on all sides are waking up to just how corrupt this is.

This is just another example of a democrat being far more frightened at the intel community and the democrats and their mouth piecves, and how than they are of trump.

She realizes the double standards, and they lies and obfuscations that the establishment are enganged in.

My favorite point she makes is that we here these people saying how trump is killing the rule of law with tings he does, and yet when Hillarys team destroyed subpoenaed emails, these same people (the intel agencies included) had no concern whatsoever for the rule of law, and charged no one with that crime.

If trump or any of his associates destroyed subpoenaed evidence, every anti trump intel community member, msm member, democratic politician, and even anti trump ats members would be screaming for charges to be filed and how this is a horrible abuse that deserves jail time.

But when Hillary did it; well that was a-ok.

Its good to see that many people are waking up to this corruption, even if they dont like trump.




posted on May, 24 2018 @ 08:39 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

From the source


Yes, Trump is intemperate, narcissistic, and the most unconventional president ever. But it appears that his opponents in our political and media establishments are far worse: they wanted to subvert democracy to save it from Trump; they wanted to thwart the will of Trump’s 63 million voters and not just undermine his presidency, but to concoct an investigation to impeach him and get him out of office.

That is damning, but it is good to know that some dems see the problem. Perhaps it will help others see the same thing.



posted on May, 24 2018 @ 08:43 AM
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The idiom Crossing the Rubicon means to pass a point of no return, and refers to Julius Caesar's army's crossing of the Rubicon River (in the north of Italy ) in 49 BC, which was considered an act of insurrection and treason.

en.wikipedia.org...

Bold is mine.


I believe that our political system, Obama admin and Hillary specifically (though not exclusively), has "crossed the Rubicon".



posted on May, 24 2018 @ 08:44 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

To be fair, she is a very conservative Democrat. Some would call her a DINO. Did you know she is in favor of arranged marriages?



posted on May, 24 2018 @ 08:45 AM
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This Deep State corruption is an absolute threat to everything our country is supposed to stand for and doesn’t affect just one side of the political spectrum.

I am sure the Democrats want to see a non-traditional Presidential candidate as much as Republicans. This is just a huge screw you to the American people by entrenched Government officials who were not elected.

I wish more people could see this as the threat to our nation that it is...this corruption is unprecedented and know no party lines.



posted on May, 24 2018 @ 08:46 AM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Grambler

To be fair, she is a very conservative Democrat. Some would call her a DINO. Did you know she is in favor of arranged marriages?


Regardless, you can’t be for the level of deep state corruption currently on display in Washington, right? It is a threat to “We the People”.



posted on May, 24 2018 @ 08:47 AM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: Grambler

From the source


Yes, Trump is intemperate, narcissistic, and the most unconventional president ever. But it appears that his opponents in our political and media establishments are far worse: they wanted to subvert democracy to save it from Trump; they wanted to thwart the will of Trump’s 63 million voters and not just undermine his presidency, but to concoct an investigation to impeach him and get him out of office.

That is damning, but it is good to know that some dems see the problem. Perhaps it will help others see the same thing.


Mark Penn, hillarys 2008 chief advisor, also saw what is going on and condemns it, and wrote an article entitled "Stopping Robert Mueller to protect us all"

www.abovetopsecret.com...

But its just "right wing nutters" that have a problem with this.

I am proud that there are still good people, who may hate trump, but are more interested in not giving in to a corrupt intel community and establishment politicians and their msm mouth pieces.



posted on May, 24 2018 @ 08:49 AM
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originally posted by: kaylaluv
a reply to: Grambler

To be fair, she is a very conservative Democrat. Some would call her a DINO. Did you know she is in favor of arranged marriages?


I didnt know that.

She clearly is not the biggest trump fan, and yet she gives great reasons as to why she is appalled by the attempts to remove him through corruption.

And again, Mark Penn who she mentions, who was Hillarys chief advisor in 2008, agrees with this and says how corrupt the entire investigation is.



posted on May, 24 2018 @ 08:50 AM
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Count me in the same camp. I'm disgusted by the post election behavior of the Dems and media allies. I've somehow known early on that Muh Russia was one big, cynical political strategy. Those that are asserting it in its largest form are either useful idiots or liars.
a reply to: Grambler



posted on May, 24 2018 @ 08:52 AM
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originally posted by: Metallicus
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I am sure the Democrats want to see a non-traditional Presidential candidate as much as Republicans. This is just a huge screw you to the American people by entrenched Government officials who were not elected.


I think that is true for many people as well.

But I keep warning them that these same tactics will be used to keep any non establishgment democrat, like a real anti war dem out of office.

Hell we have proof right now!

Jill Stein is being smeared by the russia investigation!

Yet still, these peoples hatred of trump is so strong that they are willing to accept this corruption that will no doubt be used against people they favor in the future, as long as the corruption hurts trump right now.

It is truly disturbing.

Thanfully, we see democrats like the OP who is not willing to trade her values for her hatred of trump.

Same with civil libertarians like ALan Dershowitz who has condemned this investigation.



posted on May, 24 2018 @ 08:55 AM
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originally posted by: Quetzalcoatl14
Count me in the same camp. I'm disgusted by the post election behavior of the Dems and media allies. I've somehow known early on that Muh Russia was one big, cynical political strategy. Those that are asserting it in its largest form are either useful idiots or liars.
a reply to: Grambler



Good for you!

I assure you, had Bush done this to Obama when he came in, I would have been outraged for Obama despite not really caring for him.

The truth is you can still hate trump as a person, hate his policies, and want to see him defeated in 2020; and still be disgusted by the actions we see taking place by the MSM, establishment dems and rpeublican never trumpers, and the intel community.

To me, that corruption is by a huge amount bigger than having a President i dont like.



posted on May, 24 2018 @ 09:05 AM
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a reply to: Grambler

As I was reading through the posts that complain that she isn't left wing enough of a Democrat to count... I thought, 'What about Mark Penn?'
I saw him on Hannity last night.
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posted on May, 24 2018 @ 09:09 AM
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Funny how when they don't toe the party line the party comes for them.....even a female color is incapable of independent thought to them
so much for diversity or im with her



posted on May, 24 2018 @ 09:28 AM
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originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: butcherguy

Funny how when they don't toe the party line the party comes for them.....even a female color is incapable of independent thought to them
so much for diversity or im with her
Oh they do. After I criticized Hillary during the election, some of my colleagues who worked on campaigns gave me the cold shoulder and even treated me poorly. My current boss worked on both Obama's and Clinton's campaigns.

Actually all senior mgmt and half of the rest worked on dem campaigns. It's been an incredibly toxic environment since the election.

Imagine guys all this stuff we are talking about, and you had to sit literally n cubicles with these people. That's my life lol. All most of them do is loudly regurgitate the most stereotypical dem talking points on Trump, Russia, etc. But it unfortunately magnifies the post election toxicity for me.
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posted on May, 24 2018 @ 09:35 AM
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a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

The story isn't nearly finished being told.

You will be vindicated.



posted on May, 24 2018 @ 09:37 AM
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Oh I agree with you 100%. I'm not really a Trump supporter. To me, it's being a responsible liberal to hold the DNC and media accountable. All of us left and right need to care about corruption, misuse of the justice system, and reforming media to be more balanced and accurate.

That's just being a principled and objective person.
a reply to: Grambler



posted on May, 24 2018 @ 09:42 AM
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originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

The story isn't nearly finished being told.

You will be vindicated.
I hope so.


I think it would surprise many how far the corruption goes down the ladder. Maybe not you guys.

It def seems to go down to my level, which is local gov.



posted on May, 24 2018 @ 09:49 AM
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a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14




To me, it's being a responsible liberal to hold the DNC and media accountable. All of us left and right need to care about corruption, misuse of the justice system, and reforming media to be more balanced and accurate.

Well posted, and something we should all agree on.



posted on May, 24 2018 @ 10:02 AM
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To be fair, she is a very conservative Democrat. Some would call her a DINO. Did you know she is in favor of arranged marriages?


But see, that's the thing most people never talk about.

Almost nobody that I know, is hard right or hard left. Most people have some conservative views, and some liberal views. Most Americans fall somewhere in the middle of the political spectrum. But if you say you support or are against one topic or another you are immediately thrown in with either the Demopublicans or the Republicrats.

I used to consider myself a Democrat, even voted for Obummer back in 08 when the media had christened him as the messiah, but these hard left people have gone so far out there with the craziness that they have pushed me to have more conservative views in my political leanings.

I know for a fact that I am not the only American who feels this way.



posted on May, 24 2018 @ 10:03 AM
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What scares me is that so many DNC loving pals of mine (that I know personally) now choose to call themselves Socialist. And yet they still argue pro-Hillary. Hillary smothered the BERN and they still advocate for her. They still think she is as "socialist" as they are (or want to be).

It's comedy at its purest form. I sometimes imagine "socialists" having the same argument for Hitler had he lost the election in Germany.

If only a person could step away from all things and consider these issues in a rational way. I turned away from the RNC and DNC many years ago. Didn't feel like being a parrot. Trump - I like him. I like him because the RNC crusties and the DNC HATE him. To me that means that he is rocking their boat. And they need their boat rocked - and sunk as far as I am concerned.

But to your point OP - I see a handful of Dems changing. Seems of the folk that I know personally it is mainly people that are in the trade unions. Their stewards are still 100% on board with the status quo, but the worker bees are tired of being led around by the nose to social issues that have NOTHING to do with job security and feeding their families.







 
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