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Activists urge Amazon to drop facial recognition for police

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posted on May, 22 2018 @ 06:23 PM
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More than 30 activist groups led by the American Civil Liberties Union urged Amazon Tuesday to stop providing facial recognition technology to law enforcement, warning that it could give authorities "dangerous surveillance powers."


Dangerous for who?




"Rekognition marketing materials read like a user manual for authoritarian surveillance," said Nicole Ozer of the ACLU of California.


I can see how this would be used by an authoritarian government to control the citizens. My question is what government is not authoritarian? Every government is authoritarian if you break their laws.

Is this a good thing? I am not sure, but it is a thing.




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posted on May, 22 2018 @ 07:07 PM
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a reply to: highvein

The guilty don't want to get caught.

Back in the 1800's, radicals probably said the same thing about finger prints.



posted on May, 22 2018 @ 07:29 PM
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a reply to: TinfoilTP

Sorry you are not allowed in any public store now tp, I see you are a member of the website ats, there have been known bad people there. Have a nice day.



posted on May, 22 2018 @ 07:32 PM
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a reply to: highvein

Yeah, no.


Just no.


Siding with ACLU on this one.


We've had months of news about how corrupt our political leaders are and how corrupt law enforcement agencies are.


So no.


No no no.



posted on May, 22 2018 @ 07:41 PM
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We need some gd emergency meeting about the State of the Union and the direction this country is heading

with these CIA run fake companies. This sh!t is getting out of hand.


"We don't need to follow the constitution, just start a corporation and call it advertising" bs needs to stop.

This pisses me off to no end.

Good thread topic





posted on May, 22 2018 @ 07:44 PM
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originally posted by: TinfoilTP
a reply to: highvein

The guilty don't want to get caught.

Back in the 1800's, radicals probably said the same thing about finger prints.



Says hatchetmen / sheeple followers of authoritarian governments.



posted on May, 22 2018 @ 08:02 PM
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originally posted by: TinfoilTP
a reply to: highvein

The guilty don't want to get caught.

Back in the 1800's, radicals probably said the same thing about finger prints.



Yeah I agree. On the other hand the end of privacy can't be good.



posted on May, 22 2018 @ 08:04 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy


The agencies probably know more about us than we know about ourselves at this point, but yeah I kind of agree with you here.



posted on May, 22 2018 @ 08:27 PM
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a reply to: highvein

If they already know so much, we really should fight to retain the little privacy we might have left.



posted on May, 22 2018 @ 08:35 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: highvein

If they already know so much, we really should fight to retain the little privacy we might have left.



Agreed.



posted on May, 22 2018 @ 08:52 PM
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"Activists"

I am not sure what's scarier. This facial recognition control grid, or people that want privacy being labeled activists.




posted on May, 22 2018 @ 08:57 PM
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originally posted by: Mandroid7
"Activists"

I am not sure what's scarier. This facial recognition control grid, or people that want privacy being labeled activists.



Didn't they (Obama administration) hint that returning vets be considered "domestic terrorists"?



posted on May, 22 2018 @ 10:24 PM
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originally posted by: Mandroid7
We need some gd emergency meeting about the State of the Union and the direction this country is heading

with these CIA run fake companies. This sh!t is getting out of hand.


"We don't need to follow the constitution, just start a corporation and call it advertising" bs needs to stop.

This pisses me off to no end.

Good thread topic


Quoted on a CIA run website.



posted on May, 22 2018 @ 10:43 PM
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I can't help but feel that it is already to late to protest this situation. The technology has already been developed. This technology will be disseminated and used. Whether the use of this technology being public knowledge or not; will be the real question. There will be no stopping this train. It will be seen as good for safety.



posted on May, 22 2018 @ 10:47 PM
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Funny they in uproar over that while continuing to voluntarily subject themselves to the surveillance / monitoring tools farcebook and social media .



posted on May, 22 2018 @ 11:57 PM
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a reply to: highvein

China has an extensive facial recognition program. Recently a western media outlet did some testing in cooperation with the Chinese government to demonstrate how effective it was. They were able to locate the person of interest in one of their cities a few hundred miles from their current location within 3 to 5 minutes.

While the prospect is frightening there really is nothing that can be done to prevent the US government / state government or law enforcement from adopting a similar system here.

You have absolutely no expectation of privacy in public.

The only thing I am aware of is how the different state laws protect drivers license and state id card images/info when it comes to requests from other states. As an example Missouri has agreements with several bordering states that provides a full return to an officer running the drivers info, including picture and info. Last I checked a couple states bordering Mo have not signed any agreement due in part to differing restrictions placed on info / photos. If a person is from from one of those states in Missouri or vice versa only basic info is exchanged with no ability to scan out a driver using partial info and no access to their photo portion of the system (bear in mind this may have changed. Its been a while since I have followed up on this stuff).

I can see the facial recognition system having a purpose for missing / exploited / kidnapped children/adults. Terrorism and maybe top 10 wanted lists from other agencies.

With that said the temptation to abuse the system, in my opinion, would most likely become common place. Exigent circumstances are defined by the officer making the call so its a mixed bag.

Aside from the state laws I mentioned and taking into account supreme court rulings on privacy in public I can see it being allowed with the caveat the people entered into the system to be found are done so from a current arrest record with active warrants.

A few years back when the federal government was trying to put a database in place for gun ownership they had some states provide access to drivers license info to the feds. My state was one of those and when it was disclosed the DMV lost the ability to process concealed carry permits and that function was turned over to the sheriff's offices.

Getting over the hurdle already established that there is no expectation of privacy in public will be difficult. A topic that I can see cropping up in any attempt to modify the US Constitution.
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posted on May, 23 2018 @ 12:12 AM
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a reply to: TinfoilTP

Bend over and take it up your rear for your masters if you desire..most of us don't agree.



posted on May, 23 2018 @ 05:48 AM
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a reply to: highvein

It may not mean anything, but every time I have an occasion to interact with the local PD, I get this "Oh! it's you. Have a nice day."
I didn't think about it much until about the third time. I guess they don't need any recognition soft ware.

Now what is really weird is when the State Troopers say the same thing when at a traffic stop. I get waved on through like they know me; personally or something. What give with all this ??

I guess I am well know. I just hope I am well thought of.



posted on May, 23 2018 @ 08:39 AM
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originally posted by: tinymind
I guess I am well know. I just hope I am well thought of.


If they are being friendly and just wave you thru me thinks your fine.

Its when they pull out the surgical gloves and ask you to step out of the car you should be nervous.

Also for what it is worth there are a lot of agencies trying to move back to a community style policing IE get out of your car and walk around and visit businesses and people. Wave at people (this one caused funny responses at my last agency). People were calling the chief to find out what was going on. Apparently when you wave at or be nice to people youve arrested many times before it throws them for a loop (not suggesting this in your case).



posted on May, 23 2018 @ 12:37 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Too late, we have NO privacy now. Face recognition.... You can`t deal with our government anymore without setting up voice recognition passwords etc and it`s pushed through wether people want it or not.

It's made easier by people who think its great to lose all privacy because the governments only wants what`s best for us and to protect us from the big bad bogeyman.



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