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Teen must pay nearly $37M for starting Oregon wildfire, judge rules...

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posted on May, 21 2018 @ 11:04 PM
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An Oregon judge ruled Monday that a 15-year-old Washington state boy must pay nearly $37 million for starting a major wildfire in the scenic Columbia River Gorge this past September.

Hood River County Circuit Judge John A. Olson wrote in his order that the restitution figure of $36,618,330.24 "is clearly proportionate to the offense because it does not exceed the financial damages caused by the youth," The Oregonian reported. The amount is meant to cover the costs of firefighting, repair and restoration to the gorge and damage to homes.

Olson added that payments could be halted after 10 years as long as the teen complies, finishes probation and doesn't commit other crimes. State law allows the Oregon Department of Revenue to garnishee the teen's bank accounts or paychecks. If he's due refunds on his tax returns, the state could take those. If he wins the lottery, the state also could collect all of his winnings.


Teen must pay nearly $37M for starting Oregon wildfire, judge rules


A fifteen year old boy is ordered to pay, of his own accord, over 36 million dollars by a judge.





The Oregonian reported the following outstanding cases..



Q. How likely is it that the 15-year-old boy will be ordered to pay for the damage he allegedly caused?

A. Very likely, given Oregon's history of pursuing people who have started wildfires. Over the years, the state has sought payback from hundreds of people who negligently started fires and has won million-dollar judgments in some cases, said Jeff Bonebrake, cost recovery coordinator for the Oregon Department of Forestry. Among those cases: Five men who were ordered to pay more than $17,000 after they ignited explosives during a round of target shooting, causing a 38-acre wildfire east of Bend in 2012.

An eastern Oregon rancher who investigators say drove across tinder-dry grass, sparking what grew to be a 2,700-acre wildfire in Grant County in 2014. John Lee Habberstad was ordered to pay more than $3.6 million for fire suppression costs. His insurance ended up settling the case for about $1 million.

A husband, wife and their adult daughter was ordered to pay $892,000 for the costs of putting out a fire started after authorities say they ignored a campfire ban during extremely dry conditions in Klamath County in summer 2014. Two of them went to the store while the other one, who was supposed to watching the fire, took a nap and the fire spread out of control, investigators say.


Public demands consequences for 15-year-old Eagle Creek fire suspect

The same source states this...



Q. Could the suspect in the 33,000-acre Eagle Creek fire be on the hook for making lifetime payments even though he's just a minor? A. Yes. Case-in-point: A 16-year-old boy who in July 2008 set off a 1.6-acre wildfire in rural Lane County after he shot fireworks out of a moving car. Skyler Adair was ordered to pay about $14,000 of the state's costs. As of last year, the 23-year-old had paid $220 toward the bill.



Should a juvenile spend the rest of their life paying for a simple mistake such as fireworks? Not student loans, not murdering, not raping, but something as stupid as fireworks? This teen didn'd ignore a fire ban. This teen didn't ignore whatever law there is against driving across grass. This 15 year old teen set off a smoke bomb.

Sorry Oregon and this self righteous Oregon judge.... you all are wrong.




posted on May, 21 2018 @ 11:18 PM
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a reply to: EternalSolace

I agree with the judge. One simple mistake cost a lot of friggin damage, manpower, and money.

Kids need to think twice about their dumb sheet and it doesn't get slammed home if there's no consequences.

And it's not his whole life. There will be reprieve if he avoids doing more dumb sheet. Bravo, judge!


edit on 21-5-2018 by NarcolepticBuddha because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 21 2018 @ 11:20 PM
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a reply to: NarcolepticBuddha

I don't suppose that's why people purchase hundreds of millions in insurance. Let's not rely upon insurance companies to do what we pay them to do, but fault a teenager for an honest mistake.

Yeah...


I also didn't mention there shouldn't be any punishment or reaction. I'm only stating that the judge overstepped and issued a punishment that does not fit what happened. Mandatory fire education, clean up, and the community service sure. But 36+ million in damages... absolutely not for a 15 year old teen.
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posted on May, 21 2018 @ 11:20 PM
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a reply to: EternalSolace

That's dumb, where's he going to get that money from, that judge is an idiot.



posted on May, 21 2018 @ 11:21 PM
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It appears they are making an example of this kid to make others think about their actions in the future. He probably will get off with paying hardly nothing if he stays out of trouble for ten years. He might as well go to college for a while, otherwise what he makes will be taken away anyway. Maybe he will settle down and become a good citizen.



posted on May, 21 2018 @ 11:22 PM
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a reply to: EternalSolace

He should get a bailout.

Too big to fail! No intent! WMD's!

Oh, wait, different rules for different folks.

Nothing to see here.



posted on May, 21 2018 @ 11:22 PM
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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: EternalSolace

That's dumb, where's he going to get that money from, that judge is an idiot.


They don't expect it all to be paid, silly. They're just going to garnish his wages. There goes his fireworks allowance wah wah boo hoo







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posted on May, 21 2018 @ 11:24 PM
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originally posted by: NarcolepticBuddha
a reply to: EternalSolace

I agree with the judge. One simple mistake cost a lot of friggin damage, manpower, and money.

Kids need to think twice about their dumb sheet and it doesn't get slammed home if there's no consequences.

And it's not his whole life. There will be reprieve if he avoids doing more dumb sheet. Bravo, judge!



Reprieve well after he's 25 years old. So much for college. So much for trade school. So much for anything to better himself because he's too busy dishing out money for # insurance should've paid for.



posted on May, 21 2018 @ 11:24 PM
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a reply to: NarcolepticBuddha

He will need to become a CEO to make that happen, my bet is he will never work a taxable job, he's being set up for a Life of crime .



posted on May, 21 2018 @ 11:26 PM
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originally posted by: NarcolepticBuddha

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: EternalSolace

That's dumb, where's he going to get that money from, that judge is an idiot.


They don't expect it all to be paid, silly. They're just going to garnish his wages. There goes his fireworks allowance wah wah boo hoo



You're not thinking this through. He's 15. Ten years of garnishment. There goes not only his "firework allowance"... but his rent, food, car, education, everything except his $7.00 hour McDonalds job until hes twenty five....


Oh wait its washington state... doesnt mcdonalds pay $17?




edit on 5/21/2018 by EternalSolace because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 21 2018 @ 11:27 PM
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Thats really kinda of sad. To end a boys life before it started.



posted on May, 21 2018 @ 11:29 PM
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If you’re stupid enough to use fireworks in the forest. Especially stupid enough to throw fireworks out of a vehicle in the forest you deserve to get the book thrown at you.

So yes a juvenile is 100% responsible for his actions and should be held accountable for every single penny. But In reality he will pay likely around $3000 which is bull#.




Olson added that payments could be halted after 10 years as long as the teen complies, finishes probation and doesn't commit other crimes. State law allows the Oregon Department of Revenue to garnishee the teen's bank accounts or paychecks. If he's due refunds on his tax returns, the state could take those. If he wins the lottery, the state also could collect all of his winnings.


All the little s##t has to to is not get a job for 10 years and he doesn’t have to spend a single penny.(



posted on May, 21 2018 @ 11:29 PM
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Double post.
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posted on May, 21 2018 @ 11:33 PM
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originally posted by: Ghostsinthefog
Thats really kinda of sad. To end a boys life before it started.


He was throwing fireworks into a forest. Yeah don't tell me he was some humble kid who wasn't headed down a life of more BS.

As for wage garnishment, um, he'll be fine. He'll just have to work hard, plan ahead, and not do stupid sheet like most of us. Ohhhh noooo what cruel fate!

Anyways, what do you want? Should we donate more fireworks to him in the spirit of innocent youth?




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posted on May, 21 2018 @ 11:33 PM
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originally posted by: TheLotLizard
If you’re stupid enough to use fireworks in the forest. Especially stupid enough to throw fireworks out of a vehicle in the forest you deserve to get the book thrown at you.

So yes a juvenile is 100% responsible for his actions and should be held accountable for every single penny. But In reality he will pay likely around $3000 which is bull#.




Olson added that payments could be halted after 10 years as long as the teen complies, finishes probation and doesn't commit other crimes. State law allows the Oregon Department of Revenue to garnishee the teen's bank accounts or paychecks. If he's due refunds on his tax returns, the state could take those. If he wins the lottery, the state also could collect all of his winnings.


All the little s##t has to to is not get a job for 10 years and he doesn’t have to spend a single p


Not get a job until he's 25... did you even read what you wrote? Yeah...



posted on May, 21 2018 @ 11:36 PM
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originally posted by: Ghostsinthefog
Thats really kinda of sad. To end a boys life before it started.


If a kid goes on a murder spree should he be coddled because he’s 15 years old and doesn’t know any better?

He’s lucky no one was killed. I would have said charge him with murder.



posted on May, 21 2018 @ 11:38 PM
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originally posted by: EternalSolace

originally posted by: TheLotLizard
If you’re stupid enough to use fireworks in the forest. Especially stupid enough to throw fireworks out of a vehicle in the forest you deserve to get the book thrown at you.

So yes a juvenile is 100% responsible for his actions and should be held accountable for every single penny. But In reality he will pay likely around $3000 which is bull#.




Olson added that payments could be halted after 10 years as long as the teen complies, finishes probation and doesn't commit other crimes. State law allows the Oregon Department of Revenue to garnishee the teen's bank accounts or paychecks. If he's due refunds on his tax returns, the state could take those. If he wins the lottery, the state also could collect all of his winnings.


All the little s##t has to to is not get a job for 10 years and he doesn’t have to spend a single p


Not get a job until he's 25... did you even read what you wrote? Yeah...


I know hundreds of people without jobs that are over 25. Your point?



posted on May, 21 2018 @ 11:39 PM
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originally posted by: TheLotLizard

originally posted by: Ghostsinthefog
Thats really kinda of sad. To end a boys life before it started.


If a kid goes on a murder spree should he be coddled because he’s 15 years old and doesn’t know any better?

He’s lucky no one was killed. I would have said charge him with murder.



Homicide is equivalent to accident.... better watch yourself. You may accidentally commit capital murder next time you toss a cigarette out the window.



posted on May, 21 2018 @ 11:40 PM
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originally posted by: TheLotLizard

originally posted by: EternalSolace

originally posted by: TheLotLizard
If you’re stupid enough to use fireworks in the forest. Especially stupid enough to throw fireworks out of a vehicle in the forest you deserve to get the book thrown at you.

So yes a juvenile is 100% responsible for his actions and should be held accountable for every single penny. But In reality he will pay likely around $3000 which is bull#.




Olson added that payments could be halted after 10 years as long as the teen complies, finishes probation and doesn't commit other crimes. State law allows the Oregon Department of Revenue to garnishee the teen's bank accounts or paychecks. If he's due refunds on his tax returns, the state could take those. If he wins the lottery, the state also could collect all of his winnings.


All the little s##t has to to is not get a job for 10 years and he doesn’t have to spend a single p


Not get a job until he's 25... did you even read what you wrote? Yeah...


I know hundreds of people without jobs that are over 25. Your point?


So you're the acquaintance of hundreds of dead beat losers... you should be taken seriously why?



posted on May, 21 2018 @ 11:43 PM
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originally posted by: EternalSolace

originally posted by: TheLotLizard

originally posted by: Ghostsinthefog
Thats really kinda of sad. To end a boys life before it started.


If a kid goes on a murder spree should he be coddled because he’s 15 years old and doesn’t know any better?

He’s lucky no one was killed. I would have said charge him with murder.



Homicide is equivalent to accident.... better watch yourself. You may accidentally commit capital murder next time you toss a cigarette out the window.


Saying this was an accident is dumb as #. The firework didn’t light itself did it?

There are plenty of people charged with starting fires and getting charged with murder/attempted murder. Would you like me to start linking some?



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