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Article 4 Section 4 - Republican Government

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posted on May, 21 2018 @ 08:36 AM
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Section 4 - Republican Government. The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.


Source: Constitution of the United States of America

Having read the full text of our Constitution several times, I have yet to find mention of "democratic" or "democracy"


Most people, including most Americans, would be surprised to learn that the word “democracy” does not appear in the Declaration of Independence (1776) or the Constitution of the United States of America (1789)



Many will be shocked to learn that the word “democracy” was neither used in the Declaration of Independence nor in the Constitution. Indeed, the Founding Fathers were anxious and fearful of allowing any form of tyranny, including the tyranny of the majority.


Source: CATO Institute

Interesting. Wonder when "democracy" first entered the picture, and who introduced this concept?




posted on May, 21 2018 @ 08:39 AM
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a reply to: JBurns



Its been around for a long time....You did not even look it up.




The term appeared in the 5th century BC, to denote the political systems then existing in Greek city-states, notably Athens, to mean "rule of the people", in contrast to aristocracy (ἀριστοκρατία, aristokratía), meaning "rule of an elite". While theoretically these definitions are in opposition, in practice the distinction has been blurred historically.[5] The political system of Classical Athens, for example, granted democratic citizenship to free men and excluded slaves and women from political participation. In virtually all democratic governments throughout ancient and modern history, democratic citizenship consisted of an elite class until full enfranchisement was won for all adult citizens in most modern democracies through the suffrage movements of the 19th and 20th centuries.




en.wikipedia.org...





posted on May, 21 2018 @ 08:44 AM
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Good question,
I imagine it was introduced by people who discovered that if they could make the people fearful and dependant on Govt., they could take advantage of those people to amass power and wealth at taxpayer's expense.



posted on May, 21 2018 @ 08:52 AM
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a reply to: JBurns

We were always as a Constitutional Replublic. Never a Democracy.

That way no one group could take control and discriminate against everyone else.

Even though that is somewhat debatable.



posted on May, 21 2018 @ 08:55 AM
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a reply to: JBurns


I believe it was a democratic process that our founding fathers used to set up our Republic.



posted on May, 21 2018 @ 08:57 AM
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Democracy - Mob rule
Controlled Republic - the exact opposite.

The answer to your question is - shortly after we broke from Britain and the "Whigs and Tory" days.
Democratic style - again Mob Rule
Republican - all for the Republic and making sure every vote counted. Thus the Electoral College was born. No State or group would have control due to sheer numbers.


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posted on May, 21 2018 @ 08:58 AM
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a reply to: kurthall

I believe the OP is not about Rome , etc . It was when the term Democrat or Democratic was applied in the US



posted on May, 21 2018 @ 09:00 AM
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originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: JBurns

We were always as a Constitutional Replublic. Never a Democracy.

That way no one group could take control and discriminate against everyone else.

Even though that is somewhat debatable.



Constitutional republic is a form of democracy.



posted on May, 21 2018 @ 09:00 AM
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originally posted by: Gothmog
Democracy - Mob rule
Controlled Republic - the exact opposite.



USA government- Broken and dysfunctional.

Parliamentary democracy far better. Not perfect but prefer it over the complete mess the USA has.
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posted on May, 21 2018 @ 09:03 AM
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a reply to: JBurns

The idea of democracy is relevant when picking our representative....democratically elected verses some other method. The POTUS however isn't democratically elected, but rather is elected by the electorial collegue and the voting is simply a way to sway the electorate.

pretty weird system we got for that tbh



posted on May, 21 2018 @ 09:05 AM
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originally posted by: spingersbane

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: JBurns

We were always as a Constitutional Replublic. Never a Democracy.

That way no one group could take control and discriminate against everyone else.

Even though that is somewhat debatable.



Constitutional republic is a form of democracy.


Exactly.

Always found it humorous that people would say we are a republic, not a democracy.

A republic is one form of democracy.



posted on May, 21 2018 @ 09:08 AM
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originally posted by: spingersbane

originally posted by: Gothmog
Democracy - Mob rule
Controlled Republic - the exact opposite.



USA government- Broken and dysfunctional.

Parliamentary democracy far better. Not perfect but prefer it over the complete mess the USA has.

Interesting you should say that.
One of the very reasons we no longer cared for British rule



posted on May, 21 2018 @ 09:10 AM
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originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: spingersbane

originally posted by: Gothmog
Democracy - Mob rule
Controlled Republic - the exact opposite.



USA government- Broken and dysfunctional.

Parliamentary democracy far better. Not perfect but prefer it over the complete mess the USA has.

Interesting you should say that.
One of the very reasons we no longer cared for British rule


British Government today is extremely different from British government in 1776. Since then it has gone under many reforms. There is a reason Canada, Australia and New Zealand have not changed there system of government.



posted on May, 21 2018 @ 09:10 AM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: spingersbane

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: JBurns

We were always as a Constitutional Replublic. Never a Democracy.

That way no one group could take control and discriminate against everyone else.

Even though that is somewhat debatable.



Constitutional republic is a form of democracy.


Exactly.

Always found it humorous that people would say we are a republic, not a democracy.

A republic is one form of democracy.

A form. You are correct.
Again , in your own words "a form of Democracy"
So , now let your own words sink in
Is it a Democracy ?
Or a form ?
You just agreed with everyone calling the US a Republic , different from a Democracy.



posted on May, 21 2018 @ 09:11 AM
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originally posted by: spingersbane

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: spingersbane

originally posted by: Gothmog
Democracy - Mob rule
Controlled Republic - the exact opposite.



USA government- Broken and dysfunctional.

Parliamentary democracy far better. Not perfect but prefer it over the complete mess the USA has.

Interesting you should say that.
One of the very reasons we no longer cared for British rule


British Government today is extremely different from British government in 1776. Since then it has gone under many reforms. There is a reason Canada, Australia and New Zealand have not changed there system of government.

Really ?
Can you back your words up with facts ?
I will give you one pass, though . For years Britain has been subservient to Belgium . Appears that may be a changing.

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posted on May, 21 2018 @ 09:13 AM
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originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: spingersbane

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: spingersbane

originally posted by: Gothmog
Democracy - Mob rule
Controlled Republic - the exact opposite.



USA government- Broken and dysfunctional.

Parliamentary democracy far better. Not perfect but prefer it over the complete mess the USA has.

Interesting you should say that.
One of the very reasons we no longer cared for British rule


British Government today is extremely different from British government in 1776. Since then it has gone under many reforms. There is a reason Canada, Australia and New Zealand have not changed there system of government.

Really ?
Can you back your words up with facts ?

Really?
Reforms of the british goverment
Thats just between 1870 and 1914.

Christ you still thought only the rich had the vote and Women did not have rights? hahah



posted on May, 21 2018 @ 09:14 AM
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originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: spingersbane

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: JBurns

We were always as a Constitutional Replublic. Never a Democracy.

That way no one group could take control and discriminate against everyone else.

Even though that is somewhat debatable.



Constitutional republic is a form of democracy.


Exactly.

Always found it humorous that people would say we are a republic, not a democracy.

A republic is one form of democracy.

A form. You are correct.
Again , in your own words "a form of Democracy"
So , now let your own words sink in
Is it a Democracy ?
Or a form ?
You just agreed with everyone calling the US a Republic , different from a Democracy.


No. Not different from a democracy. It is one form of democracy. One system called a republic that is designed behind the idea of the people having a say through elected representation.

Not sure what you are having trouble understanding.



posted on May, 21 2018 @ 09:16 AM
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a reply to: spingersbane
Only in appearance
See my above post addition



posted on May, 21 2018 @ 09:18 AM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: Gothmog

originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: spingersbane

originally posted by: grey580
a reply to: JBurns

We were always as a Constitutional Replublic. Never a Democracy.

That way no one group could take control and discriminate against everyone else.

Even though that is somewhat debatable.



Constitutional republic is a form of democracy.


Exactly.

Always found it humorous that people would say we are a republic, not a democracy.

A republic is one form of democracy.

A form. You are correct.
Again , in your own words "a form of Democracy"
So , now let your own words sink in
Is it a Democracy ?
Or a form ?
You just agreed with everyone calling the US a Republic , different from a Democracy.


No. Not different from a democracy. It is one form of democracy. One system called a republic that is designed behind the idea of the people having a say through elected representation.

Not sure what you are having trouble understanding.

Democracy can be applied to any named form of government
So , yes. A form but not close
Notice what I said earlier
Here it is again
Democracy - mob rule
Republic - every vote counts , not just the largest mob



posted on May, 21 2018 @ 09:20 AM
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a reply to: Gothmog



So , yes. A form but not close


So it is, but it isn't?

I don't think you have a clue what you are talking about.

It seems you are just spitting ignorant talking points and not anything actually correct about the topic.



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