FBI "Informant" into trump campaign received hundreds of thousands of dollars from government

this was not a criminal investigation, but a counter intel one.

Lets look at papadopoulos in specific.

At the time that Halper was being given details of the intel investigation of russian intereference and sent to question papadopolous (GP), GP had not been accused of any crime.

So we had the fbi spying on trumps campaign to see if russians did something bad.

This is asinine and has the potnetial to destroy our country by having the intel community become a weapon for the sitting admin against his oppionents.

Keep in mind, Nixon was brought down for trying to send a couple of people to look at documents from his opponent.

Now magnify that by 1000 by instead of having a couple of guys, you can have the intel agencies do that spying for you.

All you have to do is accuise another nation of trying to hurt the US, and then claim your spies were just protecting your opponents campaign by ensuring that those other nations didnt compromise them (as is the claim being made now about the spying of trumps campaign)

originally posted by: kurthall
a reply to: Grambler



I am more interested in, why Cohen, was paid back by trump. Lie after lie. Even if someone was a plant, so freaking what, this is the most corrupt POTUS since Nixon. Its sickening that he was voted in.....Thanks again Russia.

Yes of course you are more interested in Trump perhaps paying a porn star than the FBI spying on a campaign.

And yes, we know you will cheer for deep state corruption as long as its against trump.

Thanks for giving everyone a great example of the trump haters mentality!

a reply to: Grambler

This is asinine and has the potential to destroy our country by having the intel community become a weapon for the sitting admin against his opponents.

Over the last 24 years parts of our government have given themselves entirely to much power. The executive branch and now if what you claim is accurate the intelligence community, are to strong. Government needs a power check.

And we are still not talking about the congress hush fund. though I understand this is not the thread for that.

Well, give me a couple of hundred grand and I will dig up some dirt on someone. What I can't dig up I will fabricate out of thin air, sticking a tiny bit of truth in it so people believe it is real.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Could Trump sue him for breach of contract?

I would watch that court case on MNSBC

a reply to: Grambler

I think when looking for a pigeon hole for this Halper guy you might want to incorporate the Five Eyes origination as a possibility . I think he has a connection to Deerlove and then you have the Australian guy . Who is the US rep for the 5 Eyes . I have no idea who the Canadian rep is . just saying

originally posted by: kurthall
a reply to: Grambler



I am more interested in, why Cohen, was paid back by trump. Lie after lie. Even if someone was a plant, so freaking what, this is the most corrupt POTUS since Nixon. Its sickening that he was voted in.....Thanks again Russia.

You honestly can't be serious. You honestly claim that you're more interested in claims about Trump paying hush money to a porn star he may have slept with, what, a decade ago... than you are about the absolute undermining of the democratic foundations of the country? Than a conspiracy involving the entire judicial and political system of the country, which was so big it also needed help from the spying agents of the UK in order to circumvent laws and fool the courts?

If I could be honest about the stupidity of your comment, I'd be permabanned...

a reply to: scraedtosleep

There was a thread about that the reply from some members was essentially, so Trump paid hush money, the "argument" has even reared its ugly head in this thread as well.

originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: GuidedKill

You’re pulling hairs.

Splitting hairs is the term. Because split hairs are still just hairs.

ty. You're correct, I hadn't had my covfefe yet.

originally posted by: kurthall
a reply to: Grambler



I am more interested in, why Cohen, was paid back by trump. Lie after lie. Even if someone was a plant, so freaking what, this is the most corrupt POTUS since Nixon. Its sickening that he was voted in.....Thanks again Russia.

The TDS is strong in this one.

You have no real evidence of corruption, other than circumstance and conjecture, with a deluge of bias and hate. But all that matters is that you believe it enough, with all your hate filled heart, that you're willing to stomach real corruption to feel vindicated.

The Irony here of course being that Stalin had a term for people like you: Useful Idiot.

a reply to: Wardaddy454

Hey, atleast he admits it, there are others that obviously are in the get Trump at any cost camp that won't even admit it to themselves more less openly.

Dbl

JW is also reporting and this is their latest The secret type of subpoena may be part of the Five Eyes set up .

a reply to: Grambler

The mirror you consistently place in front of the left is.... uncomfortable for them, I'm sure.

Oh wait, that's what their collective denial is for.

Denial of one's common sense. What a pity!

a reply to: Grambler

This is asinine and has the potnetial to destroy our country by having the intel community become a weapon for the sitting admin against his oppionents.

Keep in mind, Nixon was brought down for trying to send a couple of people to look at documents from his opponent.

There wasn't any *try* about it. Ex intel people paid from Nixon's dirty tricks CREEP slush fund broke into the DNC HQ. Nixon also used/tried to use the CIA, FBI and IRS to dig up dirt on political opponents ftr. For instance, he gave Johnnie Mac Walters an "enemies list" of 200 political foes to be investigated by the IRS.

It's really quite interesting how you consistently try to downplay Watergate to make a legitimate counterintelligence investigation appear "worse than Watergate."

Even though, as I keep pointing out, you can't point to any actual evidence of a conspiracy, directed by Obama, to spy on the Trump campaign for political advantage.

And of course this is a shift from the earlier theory that the FBI counterintelligence investigation was a pretext for "hurting Trump" after the election. Just like how before it was "the dossier" that was behind the FBI's investigation but then when it was proved conclusively to be the Papadopoulos affair that kicked things off, the tactic shifted to attacking the validity of opening an investigation based on the Papadopoulos affair (for lack of a better term). And if that doesn't work, then attack Downer for (I'm still trying to figure that out) or... claim that it was all a conspiracy from the start. That Misfud was a Democratic operative because he knows a guy who said nice things about Clinton in Philly once and it was all an elaborate setup.

There's no real onus on anyone to prove anything, to fill in the plot holes or address anything that conflicts with the narrative.

By your standards, Trump should be impeached, removed from office and tried for treason along with a number of his associates. After all: Manafort was paid millions to advance Putin's agenda in the West. Manafort was Trump's unpaid campaign chief. Manafort had backchannel communications with Putin's associates using his ex-Russian spy employee in Ukraine while the Russians were meddling in the election.

Right? Is any of that wrong? Using the standards that have been consistently applied here, Trump obviously conspired with Putin. Cherry on top? When the US sought to punish Russia, Flynn called up Kislyak and told him not to sweat it, Trump would make it go away when he was in office. Extra toppings? Despite being compelled by Congress to impose sanctions, the Trump admin drug its feet until it could no longer do so and then made exceptions to sanctions after the fact.

So, you should be calling for Trump to be removed from office and tried for treason.

How about, Kushner asking the Russians if the transition team could use space in the Russian embassy for communicating with the Russians? That looks bad. Or how about with inauguration right around the corner, Erik Prince was in Seychelles meeting with Russians, allegedly in another attempt at setting up a "back channel?" Why would that be necessary? Clearly to hide the evidence of their conspiracy.

There's a difference between looking at things that are suspicious and going full tilt into making declarations as fact. Based purely on emotion, Trump supporters have decided to stampede across that line and are now just proclaiming their speculation as fact.

a reply to: theantediluvian

The only people changing their stance over and over again is you anti trump, deep state cheerleaders.

First it was there is no way the intel community would spy on trump.

Now its ok they did, but it was a good thing and was designed to help trump.

Yes watergate was bad.

Remember when nixon used the FBI to get phone rcords of his opponents? Or when he used his parties oppo research to get wiretaps on this opponents? Or how about when he had an "informant" contact his opponents campaign and try to get dirt on them? Or how about when he unmasked phone conversations he got from spying on foriegnors to hurt his opponent?

Oh thats right, that wasnt him, that was Obama.

Yes we know, you and ever other anti trumper are desperatly now trying to act like dossier wasnt a big deal, after pushing iot non stop as proof of the shadiness of trump[ people.

Now we are supposed to believe that a low level trump guy getting drunk and saying (what many people had been suggesting) that a russian said he had dirty emails on Hillary justified all of the phone reocrds being taken, wiretaps, informants being placed, unmasking, etc.

You keep focusing on how the fact that mifsud and downer have connections to hillary is the only thing people are saying is wrong with that situation, instead of realizing it is just another part of a larger reason why the story being used for the launch of the investigation is asinine.

I have no idea what your rant about kushner and impeaching trump is about.

The fact is the intel agencies should be impartial.

Instead, over and over again we see that they investigated or charged trump people with things they let hillary people off for.

But yes, we know you are ok with the fbi acting in this way if it beenfits your team.

Funny, as I have shown out over and over you wail and scream anytime Nunes does anything cause he is so bad and biased, but people with much more investigative powers like Comeys FBI (who obviously he hated trump) you have no problem toally buying anything they said, including their wiretapping of trump people, sending informants to look in on them, etc.

Things that if trump did, you would scream was him being a dictator.

Let's also remember that the person who reported the drunken conversation with Papadopoulos is the same person who arranged a $25m donation to the Clinton Foundation. Quite obviously a contact of the Clinton's if he is brokering a donation that large.

So the person who got the ball rolling just happens to be closely linked with Hillary Clinton... of all the bars in all the places...what are the chances.

This stinks from the moment the DNC was hacked and not because of the Trump campaign but because every witness and every lead that has been identified in this Russia probe is linked to Clinton and the DNC.

originally posted by: [post=23419698]Grambler


If thats the case, we have the government using tax dollars to spy on a presidential campaign (heck we know they already tried to pay steele to dig up oppo research on trump)

I certainly hope so.

One of the FBI's principle duties and missions is ferreting out bribery and corruption of Public Servants by foreign governments.

Trump's campaign was rotten to the core with secret meetings, cover-ups and lies surrounding Russian contacts and agendas.

The FBI rightly investigated and continues to.

Lately every-time I think of the right-wings illogical and bitter defense of this corrupt oaf, the Simon and Garfunkel song comes to mind:

"and the people bowed and prayed,
to the neon god they made"

originally posted by: UKTruth
Let's also remember that the person who reported the drunken conversation with Papadopoulos is the same person who arranged a $25m donation to the Clinton Foundation. Quite obviously a contact of the Clinton's if he is brokering a donation that large.

So are you saying that Papadopoulos didn't tell an Australian Diplomat that the Russians had material damaging to Hillary Clinton that they were planning to leak to aid the Trump Campaign?

originally posted by: soberbacchus

originally posted by: [post=23419698]Grambler


If thats the case, we have the government using tax dollars to spy on a presidential campaign (heck we know they already tried to pay steele to dig up oppo research on trump)

I certainly hope so.

One of the FBI's principle duties and missions is ferreting out bribery and corruption of Public Servants by foreign governments.

Only trumps team though, right?

I mean, manafort is charged with working with the podesta group to foriegn lobby, while the [odesta group is not charged and allowed to refile paperwork.

Hillary team memebers (at least one) went to the ukranian government to work with them to help keep trump from getting elected as had been admitted, yet no investigation.

Hillarys team paid a foriegn agent to get dirt oin trump, from Kremlin sources, yet no investigation.

And on and on.

But sure, the FBi was just looking to protect us.

To bad they still havent had time to look at the DNC server that was hacked though huh?