NYT: Gulf States Offered Trump Election Help, Erik Prince Lied to Congress

a reply to: dragonridr

That's not what happened. Half that grant went to Palestinian sister group (Palestinians can't vote in the Israeli election). The grant period was up before Bibi announced the elections. After the elections were announced, the group switched focus to trying to keep Netanyahu's corrupt as from being reelected. (it's since switched back if I'm not mistaken)

This has been investigated.

Anyway, it wasn't an offer from the Israelis, the offer was from the UAE and the Saudis. And no it's not common, it would be illegal for a foreign government to give millions in dollars in campaign services, coordinated with the campaign.

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: UKTruth

Like I said, you can't argue with the facts so you just spin around like a broken robot squeaking about nothing. Anyone not in your cult, anyone capable of objective thought can read your posts in this thread and see that you cannot refute the facts and that you are desperately scurrying to and fro, trying to draw attention away from them.

I don't care about influencing you and slightly less about the others. You're a lost hope. If Trump murdered your entire family, your personality would split and the new personality would kill the old one off and put on a MAGA hat.

I honestly could not care less. If you want to debate facts, let's do it. Otherwise, you're just harassing me because you're triggered.

Which facts would they be? Is it your 'fact' that Trump and 'his people' are 'whores'? That might be a fact to you, but in the real world it just sounds like unsubstantiated drivel.

So far you are posting about a meeting with Gulf States representatives at Trump Tower, a meeting in Seychelles AFTER the election and Nadar having child porn charges in his history.

Do you have any actual facts to support the narrative you are driving - which seems to be a pay for play narrative?
All you've posted so far is innuendo around perfectly reasonable meetings, throwing in a child porn story for effect.

Here is a simple question for you. Do you have any evidence you can present at all that there is pay for play going on, or are we supposed to debate whether the meetings in question took place?

If the latter, then let's not bother...let's say they DID take place.

So now what? Which other facts do you want to debate?

Guys, can we stay on track ?
The crux here is the discovery of another foreign entity,
this time a US ally, willing to aid and abet Trump's ascendancy :

Donald Trump Jr met with an emissary for foreign governments seeking to help his father’s presidential campaign three months before the 2016 election, the New York Times reported on Saturday.

Citing several anonymous sources with knowledge of the meeting, the Times said Trump Jr met at Trump Tower on 3 August 2016 with an emissary for the crown princes of Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates.

Also present, the paper said, were an Israeli specialist in social media manipulation, Joel Zamel, and Erik Prince, the founder of the private military contractor formerly known as Blackwater.

Zamel represented a firm that employed several Israeli former intelligence officers and specialized in data collection and social media persuasion. At the time of the meeting, the Times stated, “the firm had already drawn up a multimillion-dollar proposal for a social media manipulation effort to help elect Mr Trump”.

The meeting, which the Times said was facilitated by Prince, is the first evidence that countries other than Russia sought to influence the US election in favor of Donald Trump

Seems to me, The President of the United States is easily swayable
just bung him some good ol' greenbacks

a reply to: theantediluvian

It is common foreign governments all ways meet with presidential contenders. They also always offer assistance through Americans meaning no violations. For example Hillary had extensive dealings with the UK and Ukraine. They offered her assistance and everyone knows the rules of the game.

a reply to: theantediluvian

It is common foreign governments all ways meet with presidential contenders. They also always offer assistance through Americans meaning no violations. For example Hillary had extensive dealings with the UK and Ukraine. They offered her assistance and everyone knows the rules of the game.

a reply to: theantediluvian

It is common foreign governments all ways meet with presidential contenders. They also always offer assistance through Americans meaning no violations. For example Hillary had extensive dealings with the UK and Ukraine. They offered her assistance and everyone knows the rules of the game.

a reply to: theantediluvian

so it wasn't the Russians?

a reply to: network dude


I thought you guys said that Trump is playing 4D chess. You mean you don't believe that his campaign could have "colluded" with more than one other government during the campaign?

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: network dude


I thought you guys said that Trump is playing 4D chess. You mean you don't believe that his campaign could have "colluded" with more than one other government during the campaign?

I'm just trying to understand who it was that you folks are blaming today. I don't know if you are aware, but the story has been all about Russia for a while now. I can forward a few links if you need them.

a reply to: network dude


Let's keep it simple. We're blaming Donald Trump and his ilk, as always.

Like Trump loves to say, "You knew I was snake when you took me in." We are still saying that.

Trump and everyone around him are dirty, it's that simple really.

Im all for imdicting primce for lying to congress. Along with comey, brennan, amd clapper

originally posted by: CB328
Trump and everyone around him are dirty, it's that simple really.

Ah yes there it is. The simplicity of the simple mind.

originally posted by: tinner07
Perhaps the reason he lied to congress is that admitting he was working with or for the campaign would open up a whole lot more questions with more legal ramifications than a simple "no, I'll just perjure myself thank you"

Yes, that's exactly why people lie and the point of this thread.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
Im all for imdicting primce for lying to congress. Along with comey, brennan, amd clapper

Don't forget Jeff Sessions!

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: network dude


Let's keep it simple. We're blaming Donald Trump and his ilk, as always.

Like Trump loves to say, "You knew I was snake when you took me in." We are still saying that.

And I want his own party to bring him down because of it.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
Cool, who helped Hillary?

Soros anyone?

so what....the right has multiple billionaire loonies.....I hope all the democratic billionaires give hundreds of millions in donations

a reply to: UKTruth

Which facts would they be?

Right in the OP:

1. On August 3rd, 2016, Erik Prince, George Nader and Joel Zamel held a meeting with Don Jr at Trump Tower.

2. George Nader is a long time advisor to Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed al-Nahyan of Abu Dhabi (de facto ruler of UAE) who often represents his interests in putting together deals.

3. Joel Zamel is the founder of Psy-Group.

4. Don Jr, through his attorney, confirms the meeting and that its purpose was a pitch by Joel Zamel.

5. Erik Prince lied in congressional testimony.

That's all fact. What is additionally reported from unnamed sources:

1. Zamel's company was working on a proposal involving thousands of fake social media accounts to promote the election of Donald Trump. ("according to three people involved and a fourth briefed on the effort")

2. Nader was additionally claiming to represent Saudi interests.

3. Erik Prince is the one who arranged the meeting.

4. Nader paid another of Zamel's companies (WhiteKnight) to "purchase a presentation demonstrating the impact of social media campaigns on Mr. Trump’s electoral victory." (which may have been for $2 million).

So far you are posting about a meeting with Gulf States representatives at Trump Tower, a meeting in Seychelles AFTER the election and Nadar having child porn charges in his history.

The fact that the meeting happened after the election is irrelevant to Erik Prince lying about it to congress, if that is in fact what he did (and what has been previously reported). It's relevance to the OP is that it was attended by (and reportedly arranged by) Nader and his employer (MBZ).

As for Nader's sex crimes. He was convicted of 10 counts of sexually abusing 10 underage boys in 2003 in the Czech Republic. A dozen years before that, he was convicted of bringing child porn into the United States from Germany. It was the similar charges from 6 years before that for which he was not convicted.

It's not particularly relevant to the topic except how it was made so by one of your fellow Trump supporters in attempt to derail the thread:

originally posted by: toysforadults
are you mad at Erik Prince because he's been trying to expose the pedophilia your favorite politicians have been involved in?

But it was me that brought up pedo allegations, right? The whole of Trumplandia is obsessed with CTs about elite child sex rings. Adult Toys here went so far as to vaguely claim that my "favorite politicians" were being exposed by Erik Prince. The reality however is that Erik Prince has extensive dealings with George Nader, a man who has multiple convictions for sex crimes and has served time on 10 counts of sexual abuse of boys.

Can we have a list of every donor and business person who met with any 2016 candidate beginning in 2015 so we can see who they talked to and then say who da fark cares?

These are private non-elected officials who had meetings like has occurred for decades.

Is this pay-for-play?
Did anything come of the meeting?

Glad we are talking about this and not the trade agreement with China released today.

a reply to: theantediluvian

Ahhh, how cute. So russia was a dead end, but you're not ready to accept that hillary just flat out lost the election to donald trump because he was selling american greatness and she was selling america in decline.

Good luck.