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NYT: Gulf States Offered Trump Election Help, Erik Prince Lied to Congress

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posted on May, 19 2018 @ 04:22 PM
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In almost any other presidential administration, this would be a bombshell that would be a topic of conversations for months. In the current climate, after a few news cycles it will probably not get much more attention from the public and many more will choose to ignore it altogether from the jump.

Trump Jr. and Other Aides Met With Gulf Emissary Offering Help to Win Election


WASHINGTON — Three months before the 2016 election, a small group gathered at Trump Tower to meet with Donald Trump Jr., the president’s eldest son. One was an Israeli specialist in social media manipulation. Another was an emissary for two wealthy Arab princes. The third was a Republican donor with a controversial past in the Middle East as a private security contractor.

Erik Prince, the private security contractor and the former head of Blackwater, arranged the meeting, which took place on Aug. 3, 2016. The emissary, George Nader, told Donald Trump Jr. that the crown princes who led Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates were eager to help his father win election as president. The social media specialist, Joel Zamel, extolled his company’s ability to give an edge to a political campaign; by that time, the firm had already drawn up a multimillion-dollar proposal for a social media manipulation effort to help elect Mr. Trump.


Alright so, first off we have reporting that suggests that Erik Prince lied to Congress. Here's just one example of an answer that Prince gave that is a flat out lie if the reporting is accurate:



There's been reporting that suggests that Erik Prince, who has substantial business interests with some of these people and who has known Nader since at least the time he (Nader) was employed by Blackwater, lied about other things including the Seychelles meeting.

Secondly, a little more detail on Joel Zamel/his company. Mr. Zamel is the founder of a company called Psy-Group. No, it's not a paranormal research team or a collective of superheroes with psychic abilities. It's a company HQ'd in Cyprus, reportedly staffed with ex-Israel intel people and which has the tagline "Shape Reality." It sounds a lot like Cambridge Analytica's parent SCL Group and is in fact, the umbrella for a collection of separate subsidiaries specializing in the same areas.


Mr. Prince opened the meeting by telling Donald Trump Jr. that “we are working hard for your father,” in reference to his family and other donors, according to a person familiar with the meeting. He then introduced Mr. Nader as an old friend with deep ties to Arab leaders.

Mr. Nader repeatedly referred to the crown princes of Saudi Arabia and the Emirates as “my friends,” according to one person with knowledge of the conversation. To underscore the point, he would open his mobile phone to show off pictures of him posing with them, some of which The New York Times obtained.


Zamel's company had been working on a proposal that sounds not at all unlike what the Russians were up to. Somebody should really tell us all these foreign states that social media manipulation isn't something to invest money in.


By then, a company connected to Mr. Zamel had been working on a proposal for a covert multimillion-dollar online manipulation campaign to help elect Mr. Trump, according to three people involved and a fourth briefed on the effort. The plan involved using thousands of fake social media accounts to promote Mr. Trump’s candidacy on platforms like Facebook.

There were concerns inside the company, Psy-Group, about the plan’s legality, according to one person familiar with the effort. The company, whose motto is “shape reality,” consulted an American law firm, and was told that it would be illegal if any non-Americans were involved in the effort.


There's really more to go over here and more implications than I'm prepared to delve into at the moment. I also don't want to excerpt much more from the lengthy article. So I'll summarize a few points here:

1. Nader was there representing the interests of Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed al-Nahyan of Abu Dhabi (de facto ruler of the UAE) and Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman of Saudi Arabia.

2. In addition to pitching this illegal influence campaign, Nader offered to set up a meeting between Don Jr and the CP of Saudi Arabia which Don Jr declined.

3. However he doesn't have seem to have outright declined the offer of assistance though there's also not much evidence that the proposal was acted upon either with one possible exception which may or may not be ultimately relevant:

[exews]In December 2016, Mr. Nader turned again to an internet company linked to Mr. Zamel — WhiteKnight, based in the Philippines — to purchase a presentation demonstrating the impact of social media campaigns on Mr. Trump’s electoral victory. Asked about the purchase, a representative of WhiteKnight said: “WhiteKnight delivers premium research and high-end business development services for prestigious clients around the world. WhiteKnight does not talk about any of its clients.”

After the inauguration, both Mr. Zamel and Mr. Nader visited the White House, meeting with Mr. Kushner and Mr. Bannon.

4. Nader also was dealing with Prince at the time for a proposal to get the Saudis to pay $2 billion to fund a private mercenary army to fight a proxy war with Iran.

5. Nader also pitched a proposal to military and intel leaders in Riyadh to attack Iran economically. According to the reporting, that plan was shared with Kushner and Nader asked him to promote it to CP Mohammed during a personal visit by Kushner with the CP.

It should also be noted that the meeting has been confirmed:


A lawyer for Donald Trump Jr., Alan Futerfas, said in a statement that “prior to the 2016 election, Donald Trump Jr. recalls a meeting with Erik Prince, George Nader and another individual who may be Joel Zamel. They pitched Mr. Trump Jr. on a social media platform or marketing strategy. He was not interested and that was the end of it.”


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“There was a brief meeting, nothing concrete was offered or pitched to anyone and nothing came of it,” said Mr. Mukasey, the lawyer for Mr. Zamel.



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posted on May, 19 2018 @ 04:40 PM
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So this Gulf Emissary won the election for Trump.

Always good to know new info !!

Good thing Trump has helped expose all these people.

😎🚬



posted on May, 19 2018 @ 04:44 PM
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are you mad at Erik Prince because he's been trying to expose the pedophilia your favorite politicians have been involved in?

Breitbart

I admit, Breitbart isn't my favorite source, or even one I care about at all but they did carry this interview.



“They found State Department emails. They found a lot of other really damning criminal information, including money laundering, including the fact that Hillary went to this sex island with convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein. Bill Clinton went there more than 20 times. Hillary Clinton went there at least six times,” he said.

“The amount of garbage that they found in these emails, of criminal activity by Hillary, by her immediate circle, and even by other Democratic members of Congress was so disgusting they gave it to the FBI, and they said, ‘We’re going to go public with this if you don’t reopen the investigation and you don’t do the right thing with timely indictments,’” Prince explained.

“I believe – I know, and this is from a very well-placed source of mine at 1PP, One Police Plaza in New York – the NYPD wanted to do a press conference announcing the warrants and the additional arrests they were making in this investigation, and they’ve gotten huge pushback, to the point of coercion, from the Justice Department, with the Justice Department threatening to charge someone that had been unrelated in the accidental heart attack death of Eric Garner almost two years ago. That’s the level of pushback the Obama Justice Department is doing against actually seeking justice in the email and other related criminal matters,” Prince said.


Now, this is pretty interesting considering he is probably positioned in a very interesting place to gather intel like no other. I mean he has been responsible for building and maintaining some of the most elite fighting forces and training facilities in the world. Very connected.

Now, if I were you, my position would sound a lot like this...

Erik Prince has come out against pedophilia so you must be pro pedophilia correct?



posted on May, 19 2018 @ 04:55 PM
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I really don’t believe anything negative(they never say anything positive) the NYT says about Trump. They cried wolf one to many times for any. Non-biased person to take seriously.



posted on May, 19 2018 @ 05:06 PM
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a reply to: SocratesJohnson

If I spun everything the way the NYT did or the anti-Trumpers this is how my position would sound.

Erik Prince is anti pedophilia so the NYT coming out against him is pro pedophilia.

Isn't it pretty silly?


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posted on May, 19 2018 @ 05:18 PM
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a reply to: toysforadults

What exactly does some crap lying Erik Prince said to Breitbart almost two years ago have to do with reality? Erik Prince clearly lied to Congress, as confirmed by Don Jr's attorney.

You get that right?

The reality here is that you're willing to believe anything to keep from acknowledging indisputable facts, including some cockamamie nonsense Erik Prince made up for Breitbart reader's consumption. Furthermore, you'll regurgitate said nonsense to derail this thread so that other people will also ignore these facts.

Back here in the real world, where living breathing people actually exist, this was a meeting that happened and has been confirmed by multiple sources, including by Don Jr's attorney, representing him to the media. The person who took the meeting. It's also been confirmed by other participants.

I showed you an excerpt of Erik Prince's testimony which clearly shows that in light of what has been revealed, Erik Prince perjured himself in testimony to Congress.

The fact that you can read that and then spew two year-old outrageous tales from the same man's mouth — tales which have not been evidenced by anything since — to paint him as possible victim, is amazing.

On top of all that, you completely try to distract from the fact that an agent of foreign governments offered assistance to the Trump campaign via "social media manipulation" to Don Jr in his capacity as a representative of the Trump campaign.


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posted on May, 19 2018 @ 05:20 PM
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Oh, so now it's Arab collusion.

I see.

Not so much collusion that we have evidence of, just 2 years of delusion - from Liberals.
Seriously, you are going to have to move past November 8th 2016.
Just when I think liberals can't get any more ridiculous, they pull another rabbit out of the hat.

edit on 19/5/2018 by UKTruth because: (no reason given)


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posted on May, 19 2018 @ 05:30 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

Again, how is that you are able to disregard the basic facts here?

The meeting occurred. That's been confirmed by no less than Donald Trump Jr through his lawyer. Furthermore, it's absurdly obvious that Erik Prince lied to Congress.

I didn't say that the Trump campaign "colluded" with Saudi Arabia or UAE but an offer was quite clearly presented. Your reluctance to acknowledge those things doesn't really have anything to do with anything.

I know that you don't care. Why bother posting just to to tell me? Oh, I know why, it's because I presented uncomfortable facts that can't be refuted with opinions.


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posted on May, 19 2018 @ 05:32 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

It's been almost 2 years and they've been investigating the wrong country?

Well shucks.

The FBI really is incompitent.

Now wonder the DON wants to shake things up.



posted on May, 19 2018 @ 05:32 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

And furthermore had this been an Obama campaign taking a similar meeting, you'd be losing your # right now about how there was finally "proof" that Obama was a Muslim Manchurian Candidate, come to destroy America as part of the agenda to invade and topple the West.



posted on May, 19 2018 @ 05:51 PM
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originally posted by: samuelsson
a reply to: theantediluvian

It's been almost 2 years and they've been investigating the wrong country?

Well shucks.

The FBI really is incompitent.

Now wonder the DON wants to shake things up.


Nah, this info has been trickling out for awhile now. It started with Jared and his Qatar entanglements. Follow the money. Don't think just because you're only getting the puzzle pieces now that this issue hasn't been on Mueller's radar.

And, I mean, who would've thought the guy who founded and ran Blackwater would lie to Congress?! I hope this gem of guy goes down like Mike Flynn!



posted on May, 19 2018 @ 05:55 PM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: UKTruth

And furthermore had this been an Obama campaign taking a similar meeting, you'd be losing your # right now about how there was finally "proof" that Obama was a Muslim Manchurian Candidate, come to destroy America as part of the agenda to invade and topple the West.


Since you brought Obama into the conversation. I’d say who cares at this point what Trump and his campaign did that you don’t like. Everyone I’ve seen that leans left on this site have no issue with Obama’s admin weaponizing multiple gov agencies for political gain and to undermine our election process.



posted on May, 19 2018 @ 05:57 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian

Wow you dropped the Russia Russia Russia chant . I guess the wheels have really fallin of that wagon eh



posted on May, 19 2018 @ 06:05 PM
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Cool, who helped Hillary?

Soros anyone?




posted on May, 19 2018 @ 06:05 PM
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a reply to: theantediluvian




come to destroy America as part of the agenda to invade and topple the West.


I would say they damn near accomplished their goal, good thing Clinton didn't win the presidency they may have finished it off.



posted on May, 19 2018 @ 06:07 PM
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originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: theantediluvian

Wow you dropped the Russia Russia Russia chant . I guess the wheels have really fallin of that wagon eh


Yeah they are just pissssin in the wind now.



posted on May, 19 2018 @ 06:08 PM
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a reply to: TinfoilTP

British intelligence anyone?



posted on May, 19 2018 @ 06:08 PM
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originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: theantediluvian

Wow you dropped the Russia Russia Russia chant . I guess the wheels have really fallin of that wagon eh


The Water is becoming the Teapot.

🧞‍♀️



posted on May, 19 2018 @ 06:09 PM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
a reply to: TinfoilTP

British intelligence anyone?


That too, elitists lost, America wins.



posted on May, 19 2018 @ 06:09 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

when do these Russia collusion threads and anti Trump threads start hitting the HOAX bin? That's really what it is.



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